Still Alive and Doing Better! Hyperacusis and Pain Have Reduced by About 75%!

Hi @Marin, I love reading your success story. It gets me through the hard days!

What did you do during your recovery to keep sane? I've been going on walks through the park everyday, getting workouts in, joined a pottery class, stretching, eating healthy, kind of staying to myself etc and wearing earplugs when needed.

I hope you're still doing well on your end!
@Sydney13, it sounds like you have found some good activities, and I did a lot of the same stuff.

At first all I could do was color, cross words and puzzles so I did A LOT of that. When I started walking outside I did lots of nature walks and hikes, and I thought of them as physical therapy for my ears. I also organized my house from top to bottom. I pretty much did whatever I could to keep myself as busy as possible. Once I was pretty comfortable on my walks I also started gradually socializing more and more as my ears allowed.

I'm still doing very well, thanks for asking :)
 
I also have been trying craniosacral therapy to calm the body/mind, and some Neurofeedback. Really going to try to tackle this from all angles with hope that it will be of benefit.
Hi @ErikaS -- I've done extensive craniosacral therapy (even prior to getting tinnitus), and many other things to help calm my body/mind. In case you're interested, you can check out the following two posts of mine. In them I describe a simple spiritual technique that works well for me (similar to meditation, but much easier). -- Take care!

Post 1 -- Post 2

I might just add that occasionally when I sing the song of HUUuuuuuu (out loud) that I describe in the above links, I actually feel a soft, gentle (and might I say healing) vibration in my inner ears. Almost like a pleasant tingle. Doesn't happen every time, but when it does, it feels really soothing.

Hi @Marin -- Thanks for this thread, and for your continuing updates. Much of your thinking and health approach orientations are very similar to mine, and I can relate to so much of what you're sharing. Always looking for innovative approaches that will yield helpful insights into these challenges we all face here on Tinnitus Talk.

P.S. This also works well for me:

Tone Pacer PRO App — Has a Very Soothing Effect on My Auditory Cortex
 
I've been away from this forum for a little while, and I am happy and relieved to report that I am doing much better. I am still very much a work in progress, but the hyperacusis and pain have reduced by about 75% over the last several months.

Here is a summary of what I went through and the symptoms I experienced:

I had a long history of attending loud concerts, blasting music in my car, and extensive headphone use. In the summer of 2020 I experienced sudden hearing loss and gained tinnitus while using headphones. I soon developed hyperacusis and ear pain from sounds in both ears.

Over the next year I got progressively worse and worse no matter what I did (silence, noise exposure, etc). By May, 2021, the hyperacusis had progressed to such a severe state that I experienced extreme ear burning, itching, and aching pain 24/7 that worsened from any sound. Whispers and even the sound of someone breathing was painful. In addition to so much constant pain, every sound seemed overwhelmingly loud. I was completely homebound, in earplugs 24/7, and isolated in silence away from my children. The pain and intense itching would start deep in my ears and spread all over my skull, face, jaw, and inside my mouth. I experienced crushing headaches and had horrible brain fog. I'd feel electrical zaps from my ears into my brain when falling asleep (exploding head syndrome). The tinnitus had become extremely reactive with multiple tones, beeps, electrical buzzing, and crazy musical melodies. I had to sleep on an wedge pillow because laying flat made the ear and head pain much worse. I was often bed-bound because the vibrations from carefully walking around my own house made the ear pain worse. My nervous system was so over sensitized that touching a phone or tablet screen made my ears hurt worse (weird!), and I was diagnosed with central sensitization by a pain doctor. For a long time all I could do to pass the time was lay in bed and stare at the wall in silence. I felt like I was being tortured to death by my ears, and every night I went to sleep hoping that I wouldn't wake up the next morning.

I tried so many of the medications and supplements talked here. Some didn't do anything, a few helped only a little and temporarily, and many others made me feel worse. I saw ENTs, neurologists, neurotologists, rheumatologists, audiologists, pain doctors, psychologists, chiropractors, acupuncturists, and nutritionists and none of them could help me.

I tried LLLT which was a huge mistake, and it raised the hyperacusis to catastrophic levels. I also had two stellate ganglion nerve blocks done. The nerve blocks temporarily helped with my out of control fight/flight response, but they didn't do much for the sound sensitivity and ear pain.

By May of this year (2021), I was at the end of my rope, utterly desperate for relief, and I feared that I wouldn't live to see my children grow up. I had been eating a strict low carb autoimmune diet for months, and still my ears seemed to worsen after every time I ate. It got so bad that I didn't want to eat at all anymore. The intense ear itching I experienced made me wonder if I had developed mast cell issues on top of everything else. I stopped eating all fruits and vegetables, and I switched to a lower histamine carnivore type diet. This meant I only ate freshly cooked meat, animal fats and organs. The first week my brain fog lessened and the ear reactions in response to eating became less severe.

Around the same time that I started the carnivore diet, I also started homeopathic treatment with a classical homeopath. I know many people are very skeptical of homeopathy, and I used to be, too. I was just so incredibly desperate that I was willing to try anything to get better. The first couple of remedies that I was prescribed helped only a little. I would experience some minor improvements, but then I would regress. It was extremely frustrating, but the minor improvements gave me enough hope to stick with it. Plus, I felt like I had already tried everything else so this felt like my last chance for healing. After about two months of trial and error, I was prescribed a new remedy that finally gave me some real relief. I have continued to take that remedy for the last 5 months, and I have gradually improved a lot in that time.

The last piece of my recovery has been brain retraining with DNRS (Dynamic Neural Retraining System). After reading a lot about pain science and chronic pain management, I learned that the brain uses pain to protect us from injury and death. It's the brain that controls how much pain a person feels regardless of how severe an injury may be. So, it made sense to me to try to retrain my brain to lessen or stop sending pain signals in response to sound. There are success stories of people using DNRS to recover from Lyme disease, mold toxicity, CFS, mast cell issues, chronic pain, chronic inflammatory response syndrome, and sensitivities to food, chemicals, lights, and sounds. I started practicing DNRS about a month after starting the carnivore diet and homeopathy.

I know starting multiple therapies at the same time isn't scientific, but I was in such a horrific state that I had to try everything I could to feel better. I am not interested in debating which of the therapies people think really helped me or which ones they think are BS. I firmly believe that the diet, homeopathy, and DNRS are all working together to aid in my recovery. I feel worse when I slack on any one of them so I will continue to use them all indefinitely.

The only supplements I take are CBD, L-Theanine, a small amount of bee pollen, adrenal cocktails (Potassium, Sodium, Vitamin C), Magnesium spray, and beef kidney (to reduce histamine reactions).

The improvements I've had have been very gradual, and the recovery has not been linear. Today, I still experience some level of ear discomfort most of the time. It's very tolerable now, and I try my best to ignore it. Most of the other horrible pain symptoms are gone or very minor and sporadic. I have better days and worse days, but I try to not let the worse days stop me from doing what I want to do. The tinnitus has calmed down a lot, and it is mostly a steady high pitched static noise that I can easily tune out.

In the last couple of months I have been able to take my kids to the park, zoo, camping, to birthday parties, and to an amusement park. I can laugh and socialize again. I still avoid construction noise and cell phone speakers. I listen to music all day everyday on high quality speakers at low volume, and I am working on gradually increasing the volume to build my tolerance. I actually feel better around sounds than in silence now which is amazing because months ago it was the complete opposite. I am so very excited to spend Christmas with my family after spending last Christmas home alone in silence.

I'll try my best to respond if there are questions, but I hope you understand if I don't respond right away. Talking about these awful symptoms and what I went through is still very traumatic. I have some serious health PTSD after going through all of this so I don't spend a lot of time in forums anymore.

My heart breaks for anyone going through similar ear troubles, and I completely understand how debilitating they can be. If me sharing what I'm doing helps a single person then it's worth sharing even if I get some grief for how unconventional my methods are, lol.
I'm so happy you're finding things a lot better.

I have a question on the beeps and reactive side of things.

I have the hiss, an electrical sound, and beeps at the moment, all being reactive, as in they compete with external sounds! Did this calm down for you?

Many thanks.
 
Thank you so much for your kind words! I am very sorry to hear about your reactive tinnitus and hearing loss.

To answer your question, I have profound hearing loss in my right ear above 4 kHz, and I can't hear anything above 4 kHz in that ear. I think that's why the tinnitus in that ear is such a hissy static mess. The hearing loss is annoying when things like crickets are making noise because I can only hear it out of my left ear and it makes it impossible to tell which direction the sound is coming from. Other than that annoyance, I really don't notice the hearing loss anymore. I was given two weeks worth of prednisone about a week after the hearing loss incident, and I also had 3 steroid injections into my right ear... unfortunately, it didn't really do anything for me.

I'm wishing you much luck and success with the therapies. I've spoken to two different women who had what sounded like bad reactive tinnitus that they greatly improved with desensitization or TRT. When I reached out to one woman to ask her about her success, she was living completely normally and had even forgotten that she had gone through such a terrible experience years before. So, have hope that things can get much much better.
Thanks so much, @Marin. My TRT consult is this Wednesday, I am really hoping to feel a ray of hope from it as I am not doing well mentally.

I wanted to ask you, did your reactive, multi-tone tinnitus start to improve before you weaned off of Klonopin and the other meds, or was it after? I am on a small dose of Ativan (0.25mg) a day for the past 4 months and sometimes I wonder if it's holding my brain back from healing or making my reactive tinnitus worse. My goal is to get reactivity down, then hopefully some tones to fade.
 
Hi @ErikaS,

2 years ago, I tried a pair of hearing aids, and it has substantially reduced the ringing in my ears. The good thing is that you will know within 10 minutes of using them if they will help you or not. Every hearing aid specialist will let you try them for free for two weeks.

Tony
 
I have the hiss, an electrical sound, and beeps at the moment, all being reactive, as in they compete with external sounds! Did this calm down for you?
@pez, yes, all of those noises have calmed down a lot. I can hear the hissing in my hearing loss ear pretty much over anything if I "look" for it, but I don't expect that to go away because the hearing loss is so severe and I've habituated to it. I can only hear the tinnitus in my "good" ear in silent rooms. The tinnitus in that ear is a beeping or variable tone tone, but it must be pretty quiet since I can't hear it with any kind of background noise.
 
Thanks so much, @Marin. My TRT consult is this Wednesday, I am really hoping to feel a ray of hope from it as I am not doing well mentally.

I wanted to ask you, did your reactive, multi-tone tinnitus start to improve before you weaned off of Klonopin and the other meds, or was it after? I am on a small dose of Ativan (0.25mg) a day for the past 4 months and sometimes I wonder if it's holding my brain back from healing or making my reactive tinnitus worse. My goal is to get reactivity down, then hopefully some tones to fade.
It's been so long now I can't remember exactly, but I do think Klonopin did help temporarily with the tinnitus, but it would ramp back up again when the dose wore off. The tinnitus really started to improve for me when I got out of silence and hearing more and more sounds.

I hope your appointment goes well! I will say that I never used any kind of pink or brown noise because it really hurt my ears. I was still able to desensitize using music, nature, and every day sounds. I guess I'm saying just don't push yourself to listen to pink or brown noise if it's painful. Wishing you the best of luck!
 
@pez, yes, all of those noises have calmed down a lot. I can hear the hissing in my hearing loss ear pretty much over anything if I "look" for it, but I don't expect that to go away because the hearing loss is so severe and I've habituated to it. I can only hear the tinnitus in my "good" ear in silent rooms. The tinnitus in that ear is a beeping or variable tone tone, but it must be pretty quiet since I can't hear it with any kind of background noise.
Marin, good to see you on the forum again and that you're doing well. Still love your profile picture!
 
Hi @ErikaS,

2 years ago, I tried a pair of hearing aids, and it has substantially reduced the ringing in my ears. The good thing is that you will know within 10 minutes of using them if they will help you or not. Every hearing aid specialist will let you try them for free for two weeks.

Tony
Thanks @Anthony2019, glad they helped you so much! I fear that my hearing loss in right ear is too high for hearing aids to help (around 12,000 Hz) and I also have other tones around 2,000-2,700 Hz, all variable and reactive. Not sure hearing aids can work with reactive tinnitus.

Was your static hiss reactive to external sounds or did they not have an effect on it?
 
Hi @Marin! Thank you so much for posting your story! I'm in a similar situation as you were before, maybe not too extreme (horrible hyperacusis, homebound, isolation, nothing that I have tried has helped, like pink noise or gradual exposure). I saw some other people with similar conditions that had success with neural retraining and now I'm starting DNRS too.

I would like to ask if you had some worsenings/setbacks during the incremental trainings and how long they lasted?

Did you have ear fullness too? My ear fullness changes a lot; sometimes it is in one ear, sometimes the other, sometimes none and sometimes both. Very annoying.

I hope you are living your best life now! I love how you made a different approach and got better from such a horrible state.
 
@Sydney13, it sounds like you have found some good activities, and I did a lot of the same stuff.

At first all I could do was color, cross words and puzzles so I did A LOT of that. When I started walking outside I did lots of nature walks and hikes, and I thought of them as physical therapy for my ears. I also organized my house from top to bottom. I pretty much did whatever I could to keep myself as busy as possible. Once I was pretty comfortable on my walks I also started gradually socializing more and more as my ears allowed.

I'm still doing very well, thanks for asking :)
Marin,

Did you notice a reduction in the number of tones you had once your hyperacusis got better? How long did some tones stick around for?

I am in a similar situation, pretty much housebound from hyperacusis, although I got it from damn Klonopin so I'm not sure if that means it will get better quicker than noise-induced hyperacusis.

EDIT:

Nevermind, I read through the whole thread and you specified that once your hyperacusis got better, your tinnitus did too.

Thanks!
 
Hi @Marin,

Thanks so much for sharing your inspiring recovery journey! Since acquiring loudness and pain hyperacusis and reactive tinnitus approximately six months ago, I've returned to read your story many, many times to help keep a sense of hope alive.

I'm wondering whether you could possibly provide some more details about how you went about re-introducing music into your life? My ears seem to be particularly sensitive to artificial audio (even from a higher end audio system), which is really frustrating for me because it is really limiting in terms of applying sound therapy (for both the hyperacusis and tinnitus). I noticed that you went from listening to no music to listening to music all day, every day within just five months and am wondering how you were able to get to this stage so quickly. The following details would be greatly appreciated (and any others you'd like to share about your process!):

- From the time you began desensitizing to music (as in, actually exposing yourself to it), how many months in total did it take you to get to the point of listening to it all day, every day?

- What was your process like in terms of increasing listening time and volume? For example, did you increase the listening time and/or volume by specific intervals, and if so, what were they?

- If you experienced any significant ear discomfort during or after exposure (including the day after), did you still continue with exposure or give your ears some time 'off'?

Thanks again so much for sharing, and I sincerely hope you're continuing to do well!

:thankyousign:

Sincerely,
Maddy
 
have profound hearing loss in my right ear above 4 kHz, and I can't hear anything above 4 kHz in that ear. I think that's why the tinnitus in that ear is such a hissy static mess. Th
Your audiogram is almost exactly the same as mine.

Right ear:
250 Hz - 3000 Hz 0-15 dB.
4000 Hz - 75 dB
6000 Hz - 90 dB
8000 Hz - 110 dB

Left ear normal.
 
Hey @Marin, I know you don't sign in often much anymore (great for you!) but just in case you do soon, I wanted to ask some specific DNRS questions with regards to our conditions. I completed the course and am starting practice...

1. When doing the actual rounds, did you talk out loud to yourself at first, or did you say the sayings in your head? Just me talking, even softly, can make my tinnitus change character or become distracting that I get annoyed or angry about it, which is what I want to avoid as I am doing a round, especially in the beginning. I know talking out loud was very hard/not possible for you at your worst, so I just wanted to see how you went about that.

2. In terms of very gradual exposure, whether it was incremental training or just going about the practice, how were you able to control the sounds of your environment so well? I fortunately live in a quiet home, but neighbors use power tools outside, husband showers and does his daily things, and I have been fortunate to not have to live in my house with ear protection but am wondering if I need to for this practice and to try to control sound exposure more.

3. Because our conditions are constant ITs, how did you maneuver/overcome this in practice? Would you stick to the hour of rounds and then just positive distractions? I am VERY much struggling with keeping positive outlook, completing rounds with a smile on my face and not getting frustrated or crying, etc. I guess I am just still afraid to completely buy into this with the fear that it may not help my reactivity. That's honestly the thing I want to diminish the most, if I could have tinnitus that doesn't react/change to sound I would be so happy.

Thank you for any feedback!
 
Hi @Marin,

Thanks so much for sharing your inspiring recovery journey! Since acquiring loudness and pain hyperacusis and reactive tinnitus approximately six months ago, I've returned to read your story many, many times to help keep a sense of hope alive.

I'm wondering whether you could possibly provide some more details about how you went about re-introducing music into your life? My ears seem to be particularly sensitive to artificial audio (even from a higher end audio system), which is really frustrating for me because it is really limiting in terms of applying sound therapy (for both the hyperacusis and tinnitus). I noticed that you went from listening to no music to listening to music all day, every day within just five months and am wondering how you were able to get to this stage so quickly. The following details would be greatly appreciated (and any others you'd like to share about your process!):

- From the time you began desensitizing to music (as in, actually exposing yourself to it), how many months in total did it take you to get to the point of listening to it all day, every day?

- What was your process like in terms of increasing listening time and volume? For example, did you increase the listening time and/or volume by specific intervals, and if so, what were they?

- If you experienced any significant ear discomfort during or after exposure (including the day after), did you still continue with exposure or give your ears some time 'off'?

Thanks again so much for sharing, and I sincerely hope you're continuing to do well!

:thankyousign:

Sincerely,
Maddy
My apologies for not seeing this sooner. I hope you are in a better place now. It has been quite awhile since I desensitized to music, and I don't remember exactly how long the whole process took. I'll try to answer your questions as best as I can remember.

When I started desensitizing I couldn't tolerate any artificial audio at all so I can relate to how frustrating it is to have that limitation. When I first started listening to music again, I used a very high quality speaker (Sonos), I played it at a volume so low no one else in the room could even hear it, and I picked acoustic music that I LOVED. At first I played only one song and then stopped. I very gradually increased the length of listening time and volume over days, weeks, and months as I felt more and more comfortable. I find that I'm still gradually increasing the volume after two years.

I didn't have a specific strategy about how much I'd allow myself to increase the volume or for how long. I mostly went with what felt right. I'm sorry I can't give you a more concrete answer!

Ultimately, I think what helped me the most was to focus on how much I loved each song I listened to. I really tried to get into each song and feel all the good feelings that the music gave me.

Early on if I felt a lot of discomfort I would ease up on the desensitization, and then I'd start back up when I felt ready. Eventually, I felt good enough to where I stopped taking breaks all together.
Your audiogram is almost exactly the same as mine.

Right ear:
250 Hz - 3000 Hz 0-15 dB.
4000 Hz - 75 dB
6000 Hz - 90 dB
8000 Hz - 110 dB

Left ear normal.
Interesting! May I ask if you know what caused your hearing loss?
1. When doing the actual rounds, did you talk out loud to yourself at first, or did you say the sayings in your head? Just me talking, even softly, can make my tinnitus change character or become distracting that I get annoyed or angry about it, which is what I want to avoid as I am doing a round, especially in the beginning. I know talking out loud was very hard/not possible for you at your worst, so I just wanted to see how you went about that.
When I first started the rounds, my own voice could my ears burn terribly, but I tried whisper as much of my rounds as I could. Some days I could whisper more than others. If I was having a particularly rough day, I'd whisper the steps, but say the visualizations in my head. I think trying to say as much as I could out loud helped A LOT with my tolerance for speaking. Over time, I was able to talk louder and louder and for longer and longer. Eventually, I got to a point where I was visualizing myself listening to music and I was able to sing out loud. I know it sounds goofy, but it felt incredible to once again be able to do something like that that I used to take for granted.
2. In terms of very gradual exposure, whether it was incremental training or just going about the practice, how were you able to control the sounds of your environment so well? I fortunately live in a quiet home, but neighbors use power tools outside, husband showers and does his daily things, and I have been fortunate to not have to live in my house with ear protection but am wondering if I need to for this practice and to try to control sound exposure more.
My family tried to be as considerate and quiet as possible, but ultimately I didn't have a whole lot of control over my environment. I had the showering husband (and children), neighbors who worked in their garages and in their yards, etc. At first I was stuck in hearing protection 24/7, and I had to work really hard to get out of it. So, I don't think I'd recommend adding it if you aren't already using it to get by. When those types of exposures happened, I tried my best to redirect my attention. I'd tell myself, "No one else is being hurt by these noises, why should I be?", or I'd do a partial of full round to distract myself. I'd also put a big fake smile on my face because my brain didn't know that the smile was fake. I fake smiled a lot in those first few months. I must have looked so creepy, lol.
3. Because our conditions are constant ITs, how did you maneuver/overcome this in practice? Would you stick to the hour of rounds and then just positive distractions? I am VERY much struggling with keeping positive outlook, completing rounds with a smile on my face and not getting frustrated or crying, etc. I guess I am just still afraid to completely buy into this with the fear that it may not help my reactivity. That's honestly the thing I want to diminish the most, if I could have tinnitus that doesn't react/change to sound I would be so happy.
I did exactly that - did my one hour of rounds, did my best to interrupt any unhelpful thoughts (POPs), and redirected my attention to positive distractions when symptoms increased. I completely understand how hard it is to try to keep a positive outlook! I cried in a lot of my rounds early on because I felt so freaking sad and defeated. It really was a fulltime job trying to keep myself distracted and to avoid focusing on the symptoms, but thankfully, it became easier with lots of practice. The fear of not improving or getting worse can be a big roadblock, and I had it too. I interrupted those types of thoughts, and I replaced them with "This is going to work," "I don't care if the tinnitus gets louder, I'd much rather be out living than stuck inside". One of the most helpful things I did when I was getting started was to stay off of the tinnitus & hyperacusis forums (I know how that sounds!), and instead I read a lot of neural retraining forums. I learned so much from reading about others' experiences and what worked for them. It didn't matter if their physical symptoms were different than mine. They were focusing on healing their limbic systems which is what I wanted to do.
 
My apologies for not seeing this sooner. I hope you are in a better place now. It has been quite awhile since I desensitized to music, and I don't remember exactly how long the whole process took. I'll try to answer your questions as best as I can remember.

When I started desensitizing I couldn't tolerate any artificial audio at all so I can relate to how frustrating it is to have that limitation. When I first started listening to music again, I used a very high quality speaker (Sonos), I played it at a volume so low no one else in the room could even hear it, and I picked acoustic music that I LOVED. At first I played only one song and then stopped. I very gradually increased the length of listening time and volume over days, weeks, and months as I felt more and more comfortable. I find that I'm still gradually increasing the volume after two years.

I didn't have a specific strategy about how much I'd allow myself to increase the volume or for how long. I mostly went with what felt right. I'm sorry I can't give you a more concrete answer!

Ultimately, I think what helped me the most was to focus on how much I loved each song I listened to. I really tried to get into each song and feel all the good feelings that the music gave me.

Early on if I felt a lot of discomfort I would ease up on the desensitization, and then I'd start back up when I felt ready. Eventually, I felt good enough to where I stopped taking breaks all together.

Interesting! May I ask if you know what caused your hearing loss?

When I first started the rounds, my own voice could my ears burn terribly, but I tried whisper as much of my rounds as I could. Some days I could whisper more than others. If I was having a particularly rough day, I'd whisper the steps, but say the visualizations in my head. I think trying to say as much as I could out loud helped A LOT with my tolerance for speaking. Over time, I was able to talk louder and louder and for longer and longer. Eventually, I got to a point where I was visualizing myself listening to music and I was able to sing out loud. I know it sounds goofy, but it felt incredible to once again be able to do something like that that I used to take for granted.

My family tried to be as considerate and quiet as possible, but ultimately I didn't have a whole lot of control over my environment. I had the showering husband (and children), neighbors who worked in their garages and in their yards, etc. At first I was stuck in hearing protection 24/7, and I had to work really hard to get out of it. So, I don't think I'd recommend adding it if you aren't already using it to get by. When those types of exposures happened, I tried my best to redirect my attention. I'd tell myself, "No one else is being hurt by these noises, why should I be?", or I'd do a partial of full round to distract myself. I'd also put a big fake smile on my face because my brain didn't know that the smile was fake. I fake smiled a lot in those first few months. I must have looked so creepy, lol.

I did exactly that - did my one hour of rounds, did my best to interrupt any unhelpful thoughts (POPs), and redirected my attention to positive distractions when symptoms increased. I completely understand how hard it is to try to keep a positive outlook! I cried in a lot of my rounds early on because I felt so freaking sad and defeated. It really was a fulltime job trying to keep myself distracted and to avoid focusing on the symptoms, but thankfully, it became easier with lots of practice. The fear of not improving or getting worse can be a big roadblock, and I had it too. I interrupted those types of thoughts, and I replaced them with "This is going to work," "I don't care if the tinnitus gets louder, I'd much rather be out living than stuck inside". One of the most helpful things I did when I was getting started was to stay off of the tinnitus & hyperacusis forums (I know how that sounds!), and instead I read a lot of neural retraining forums. I learned so much from reading about others' experiences and what worked for them. It didn't matter if their physical symptoms were different than mine. They were focusing on healing their limbic systems which is what I wanted to do.
Thank you so much Marin for sharing all of this. I hope you are still doing so well and continue to progress with minimal to no setbacks! I pray I can be in your position in the near future.
 
Thanks so much for sharing @Marin! Would you mind sharing what artist(s) you listened to to start? Maybe, just maybe, they'll work for me too ;)

Also, did you initially get fullness & burning building in your ears within seconds of starting the music? This happens to me (even with volume 1 music), & it's so discouraging. So I don't know whether I should stay away from digital audio longer to allow my ears to heal, or start to desensitize very slowly.

I'm also wondering whether you ever experienced any prolonged numbness in your face? I developed this symptom recently, & it's quite concerning. It's not a full numbness, but a partial one, & kind of feels like my face is sunburned.

On another note, how are you doing these days?

Smiles,
Maddy
 
@Marin, thank you for your continuing updates and wisdom! It means a lot to those of us who are not nearly as far along on the journey to healing.

If I could piggyback on the audio questions posed by @ErikaS and @MadeleineHope, do you have any thoughts on how to desensitize yourself to certain pitches or tones in music? After I got tinnitus and noxacusis, I discovered that it was excruciatingly painful for me to listen to music videos on YouTube. Especially high-pitched female voices and high-pitched musical tones.

I then tried to administer myself some sound therapy at home by avoiding songs with high notes and female voices and seeking out songs with low-pitched melodies sung by all-male bands. But even then, that was a failure. After listening to male singing voices for only twenty minutes, I would still get a burning sensation in my ears, even if the volume was low. Since then, I have given up on music, although I do listen to other types of YouTube videos or podcasts where people talk. I just keep the volume as low as possible and rely primarily on the captions to understand what they're saying.

At present, I test my sound tolerance once in a while by listening to this video, which is not a music video, per se, but a mathematical pendulum animation that just happens to incorporate sound effects at a predictable interval. It starts out with a single tone that you hear several times, and then that tone gets higher and higher, but in incredibly small increments that you barely notice. I like this video because there are no sudden, unexpected sounds, just a slow introduction of increasingly high pitches at an interval that is easily memorized, so I can pause the video or mute it when it starts to hurt. To date, I have never made it all the way to the end. There always comes a point where the "ding" starts to cause pain.

(1) "Galaxy" - A Pendulum Animation - YouTube

On a very bad day where my ears are extra sensitive, I still watch the video, but on mute, just because the visuals are relaxing to my eyes.
 
Hi @MadeleineHope, the first album I really tried to desensitize to was Chris Cornell's live acoustic album. I picked it because it is just vocals and a guitar, and I love that album. I can't remember what music I picked next. For me, the most important thing was to pick music that triggered lots of good feelings.
Also, did you initially get fullness & burning building in your ears within seconds of starting the music? This happens to me (even with volume 1 music), & it's so discouraging. So I don't know whether I should stay away from digital audio longer to allow my ears to heal, or start to desensitize very slowly.
When I was at my worst, artificial audio immediately triggered all of those awful symptoms. I went over a whole year without music or sound on the TV and it was absolutely miserable. When I started desensitizing with music, I had already been improving by working with natural sounds. I had also been incorporating music into my DNRS visualizations which I honestly think helped a lot. For example, I'd visualize myself feeling happy while driving and listening to my favorite music. I honestly can't remember if those symptoms were triggered immediately when I went to listen to the Chris Cornell album that first time, but they would get triggered if I listened for too long.

You could try to desensitize to music by listening for only a second at a time, and then immediately after think about or do something that evokes strong feelings of happiness and joy to redirect your brain away from any bad symptoms that may be triggered. If you are hesitant or fearful of triggering symptoms it will be counterproductive.

Another option would be to focus on natural sounds first to strengthen your ears before you attempt listening to music. It's totally up to you, and what you think will work best for your ears.
I'm also wondering whether you ever experienced any prolonged numbness in your face? I developed this symptom recently, & it's quite concerning. It's not a full numbness, but a partial one, & kind of feels like my face is sunburned.
Oh yes, I had that, too, plus, burning. It was very uncomfortable and honestly, scary. I have heard from several other people with hyperacusis who have similar symptoms, and I really do think it is a limbic thing. I had an "ah ha" moment when I started learning about DNRS, I read a post from one woman who said her face and body burned when she was exposed to household cleaners. She got much better with DNRS and desensitization, and here story gave me more confidence that it would work for me, too.
On another note, how are you doing these days?
I am still doing very well, thank you :) I find that I am still improving little by little, and most days I don't notice my ears at all. I spent Father's Day with my family boating on a lake, and I am extremely grateful to be able to do so.
 
Hi @ECP,
If I could piggyback on the audio questions posed by @ErikaS and @MadeleineHope, do you have any thoughts on how to desensitize yourself to certain pitches or tones in music? After I got tinnitus and noxacusis, I discovered that it was excruciatingly painful for me to listen to music videos on YouTube. Especially high-pitched female voices and high-pitched musical tones.
I didn't focus on any specific tones or pitches in music so I'm sorry that I don't have advice for that. I made sure that I was using high quality speakers and the highest quality music that I had available to me. I could be wrong, but I suspect that YouTube music might not be of the best sound quality and harder on the ears?
I then tried to administer myself some sound therapy at home by avoiding songs with high notes and female voices and seeking out songs with low-pitched melodies sung by all-male bands. But even then, that was a failure. After listening to male singing voices for only twenty minutes, I would still get a burning sensation in my ears, even if the volume was low. Since then, I have given up on music, although I do listen to other types of YouTube videos or podcasts where people talk. I just keep the volume as low as possible and rely primarily on the captions to understand what they're saying.
When I started, I picked music that was slower and with male voices. I eventually worked my way up to music that was faster, with more electronic sounds, and female voices. The most important thing to me was that the music made me feel good.

If your ears start to hurt after 20 minutes, then stop at that point. Try listening to music right up until that point of discomfort, and then stop. After a few days, try adding on another 30 seconds or minute of music, and so on. It is very tedious, but thinking of it as physical therapy for my ears helped me keep working at it.
At present, I test my sound tolerance once in a while by listening to this video, which is not a music video, per se, but a mathematical pendulum animation that just happens to incorporate sound effects at a predictable interval. It starts out with a single tone that you hear several times, and then that tone gets higher and higher, but in incredibly small increments that you barely notice. I like this video because there are no sudden, unexpected sounds, just a slow introduction of increasingly high pitches at an interval that is easily memorized, so I can pause the video or mute it when it starts to hurt. To date, I have never made it all the way to the end. There always comes a point where the "ding" starts to cause pain.

(1) "Galaxy" - A Pendulum Animation - YouTube
I was only able to listen to about 10 seconds of that video before it bothered me. Personally, pure tones are still uncomfortable for my ears, and I don't feel the need to work on fixing that since I rarely encounter those pure tones in real life. Music and real nature sounds have worked best for me.
 
Thank you @Marin. Not many people have stuck around on the board long enough to tell us what it's like on the other side of this ordeal, so we sure do appreciate your words of encouragement and advice.

You bring up a good point about trying to listen to music that we enjoy, and to focus on positive thoughts pertaining to an unrelated subject while we listen to music in order to distract and desensitize our brains from the anxiety of listening to music in the first place. It's all too easy to associate all music with pain, and that can't be good for the limbic system. I need to make graduated exposure to music more of a priority again, starting with low-pitched voices and melodies. In hindsight, I probably tried exposing myself to music too soon when I should have stayed in silence more. Maybe now I can handle music better? I won't know unless I have the willingness to try again.

I don't know if YouTube sound quality in general is poor, it could just be that I've always relied on the built-in speakers on my laptop, and they are not top-of-the-line speakers at all. Plenty of people here have said that it helps to buy better speakers to reduce ear discomfort, and if I can be honest, what's held me back from following through on that advice is resentment. When I think about how much money I've already spent on vitamins, supplements, medical copays, etc., I feel bitter at the thought of having to upgrade my audio equipment on top of everything else. I hate how this acoustic injury has created so many unanticipated expenses, some of which did little or nothing to alleviate my symptoms, so now, when I get the idea to buy something new, I balk at the thought of having my hopes dashed again.

I'm sorry that the pendulum video hurt your ears in just the first ten seconds. You're right, we don't often get exposed to pure tones like that in real life, so we may not need to actively habituate to them. I think I got hung up on making that my goal because "Eternal Flame" by the Bangles is one of my most pain-inducing songs ever. Unlike most pop songs, which rely on drums and bass to keep the beat, that song uses a triangle from start to finish, and the recurring sound of the "ding" hurts so much. I've liked that song ever since it came out 34 years ago, and I keep hoping I can learn to like it again.

For now, I am sort of okay with outdoor sounds in nature, and that will have to do until I figure out how to move forward with music.

Thanks again, Marin, for showing us that recovery is possible.
 
Hi @Marin,

That's amazing that you were able to go out boating with your family! I'm so happy for you for how far you've come :D

Thank you, thank you, thank you for coming back here every so often to share your experience & recovery journey. It makes such a positive difference for many of us here who are currently going through our hardest times with this condition.

I haven't been able to find many cases of people with the facial numbness & burning, so it's a relief to know you had it too & it eventually went away! Mine is a full-face partial numbness/burning/stiffness that has persisted for about a few weeks now, & only seems to have gotten worse. Was yours like this too? It certainly is scary!

And, if I may ask, how are you with the phone these days? Are you able to use your cell phone on speakerphone, for instance, or do you use an external speaker to take calls?

Thanks again & so glad to hear you're continuing to do so well! Sending positive thoughts for continued healing your way!

Maddy

P.S. Thought of some more questions that I'd greatly appreciate your feedback on (though I completely understand if this is too much; please just ignore them if it is ;))

- Were you sometimes exposed to fire alarms or similarly loud sounds during your recovery journey? If so, what was your experience like with these very loud events?

- Did certain sounds ever sound plain nasty to you, like nails on a chalkboard? Some sounds are like this for me... I think it's the high frequency sounds.

- I also seem to be able to hear electricity now, as crazy as it sounds... & quite loudly too! Did you ever experience that & did it eventually go away?

- How do you manage your fear of really loud sounds these days (e.g., fire alarms, sirens, potential vehicle collision & airbag deployment)? I struggle with this quite a bit.
 
I haven't been able to find many cases of people with the facial numbness & burning, so it's a relief to know you had it too & it eventually went away! Mine is a full-face partial numbness/burning/stiffness that has persisted for about a few weeks now, & only seems to have gotten worse. Was yours like this too? It certainly is scary!
Yes, those were some of the facial symptoms I had. Honestly, if I focus on my face now, I can still feel a tiny bit of tingling on the right side of my face which is my hearing loss side. It is much, much, much less than it used to be, and I can go weeks and months without noticing it now.
And, if I may ask, how are you with the phone these days? Are you able to use your cell phone on speakerphone, for instance, or do you use an external speaker to take calls?
Unfortunately, phone speakers are still problematic, but I also haven't made a significant effort to try to desensitize to them, either. I can thankfully make short phone calls without giving it a second thought now, but I wouldn't be able to be on a phone all day for work.
Were you sometimes exposed to fire alarms or similarly loud sounds during your recovery journey? If so, what was your experience like with these very loud events?
I hadn't been exposed to a fire alarm until this last month. While I was in another room of the house it wasn't too bad, but when I stood under it to try to get it to turn it off it hurt my ears. I ended up going outside to wait for my husband to turn it off. My ears were sore and a little raw for a few hours afterward, but went back to their baseline by the next day.

Last year I attended a small festival and parade where the police and fire departments turned their siren's on and even shot off a few blanks. That was rough, and I was even a little shellshocked afterwards... headache, dizziness, nausea, ear burning and rawness, etc. I thankfully bounced back pretty quickly and was able to enjoy the rest of my day after taking a quick rest and having a cocktail or two.
Did certain sounds ever sound plain nasty to you, like nails on a chalkboard? Some sounds are like this for me... I think it's the high frequency sounds.
Yeah, I've never liked the chalkboard sound... who can tolerate that sound?! Many years ago I remember my ears burning when shooting with hearing protection on. I only did it that once and I don't plan to do it ever again.
I also seem to be able to hear electricity now, as crazy as it sounds... & quite loudly too! Did you ever experience that & did it eventually go away?
Yes! I felt like I was going crazy hearing those sound no one else could. I could hear electrical buzzing from most electronics and there was one spot in my hallway that had an electrical hum. I couldn't even use some of my TV's on silent because their electrical hums were too painful. I don't hear any of that anymore.
How do you manage your fear of really loud sounds these days (e.g., fire alarms, sirens, potential vehicle collision & airbag deployment)? I struggle with this quite a bit.
DNRS has been an absolute lifesaver for practically eliminating my fear and anxiety of loud sounds. The only time those bad feelings creep back nowadays is when I spend time on here or chatting with someone about hyperacusis. When that happens, I disconnect again and try to do a few DNRS rounds to get me back on track.

Wishing you the best, @MadeleineHope. Sending you a big virtual hug.
 
When I first turned to Tinnitus Talk a year and a half ago for my wacky tinnitus and hyperacusis, I thought @Marin's post was the craziest thing I had ever read. Now, I am well on my way out of hyperacusis and tinnitus, and I only find it flares up when I am stressed/overstimulated. I can easily "control" it now by slowing down, doing my own version of "the rounds," feeling my feelings rather than trying to overcome them, and reminding myself that so many people like @Marin and other mind-body/brain retraining folks have healed through the same methods.

I am back to my normal life, even if I still have some lingering symptoms. They come and go, and it's all related to my internal state. I'm confident I'll get there as my happiness continues to grow. I got reactive tinnitus/hyperacusis during some pretty serious depression that started to lift about 9 months ago. Life is good! Keep the faith!
 
Thanks so much for sharing all of this @Marin! It's comforting reading how someone overcame symptoms so similar to mine :)

Haha, yeah, I think the nails on chalkboard sound is one that universally sounds nasty! For me, there are lot of other sounds (I think high frequency ones) that sound similarly nasty... did you ever experience this? If so, did these sounds eventually start to sound normal again?

That's truly amazing that you were able to overcome all of those truly loud sounds with such time-limited symptoms! I think it really shows how far you've come (y)

If I may ask, are you able to work these days? Or are you currently focusing on taking care of your home & family? I don't have a family of my own & am unable to currently work, so it's hard thinking about how I will support myself in the future - especially with the artificial audio issues o_O

I also worry about things like going to the dentist in the future & being able to take the odd medication here & there when necessary... what's your experience in these areas been?

Sorry for all of the questions; again, I totally understand if it's too much & you need a break for a while or forever, haha ;)

Sending a big virtual hug right back at you, & continuing to send healing thoughts too! :huganimation:

Thanks again,
Maddy
 
@OnlyUP, thanks for popping by to share an update on your progress! I'd love to hear more about your recovery journey & where you're at now, if you're willing to share :)

Smiles,
Maddy
 

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