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@Jerad, don't know if I told you all this before:

Slow head movement is important. Don't try to focus on a moving object. Was told for you to stop constant eye movement with reading and writing. Told that this is so needed. Don't move eyes across a computer or TV screen.

Exercise other than walking can increase brain zaps.

Benadryl should help.

By doing all this, electrical sensations, brain zaps should be gone in weeks to a couple of months. GABA levels should increase.
Thanks, @Greg Sacramento. I'll follow that and read those steps. I appreciate it!

Do you think my electrical type tinnitus could just be related to it being so high frequency that the brain interprets it as a feeling too? It started after an apparent topical ototoxic reaction to colloidal silver for a leg ulcer. I also used some Benzoyl peroxide, but I never had issues with that in the past.
 
@Jerad, if silver ion accumulation in the tissues increase to a certain level they could (very rare) begin precipitating in the corneal (eye) region, thus causing brain zaps and high frequency electrical sensations - hippocampus region.

This is needed: Slow head movement. Don't try to focus on a moving object. Try to control constant eye movement with reading and writing. Don't move eyes across a computer or TV screen. This will take some effort. Neck posture - try not to have space between neck and pillow when sleeping.

Some neuro doctors may later try occipital nerve stimulation with a device.

Multiple sclerosis (MS) - doubt it.
 
@Jerad, if silver ion accumulation in the tissues increase to a certain level they could (very rare) begin precipitating in the corneal (eye) region, thus causing brain zaps and high frequency electrical sensations - hippocampus region.

This is needed: Slow head movement. Don't try to focus on a moving object. Try to control constant eye movement with reading and writing. Don't move eyes across a computer or TV screen. This will take some effort. Neck posture - try not to have space between neck and pillow when sleeping.

Some neuro doctors may later try occipital nerve stimulation with a device.

Multiple sclerosis (MS) - doubt it.
Thanks, @Greg Sacramento, I appreciate the help! I will look into applying all that. The zaps are accompanied by sounds of zaps, too. So it's a sharp zing (like the sound of train breaks squealing) and then I feel it, too... like a burst of sharp electricity. I dunno if that's just a bad case of tinnitus or something more to it, like what you're describing. I haven't had any vision problems and had an eye exam a month ago. I haven't taken silver in 3 months, but the symptoms are still happening. It's like high frequency tinnitus that is also felt — feels like steam escaping or electrical currents, and then the zaps, too.
 
(like the sound of train breaks squealing) and then I feel it, too... like a burst of sharp electricity.
This can be caused from occipital nerves at the brain stem and this should also be temporary.

A theory is that REM sleep (rapid-eye movement) may influence serotonergic processes in the brain, and the "zaps" are a byproduct of the rapid-eye movement.

A couple of British psychiatrists described brain zaps as, "sensory symptoms or symptoms of disequilibrium in brief bursts" when a person moves their head or eyes.

It has been speculated that moving the eyes side to side may provoke or intensify brain zap sensations.

Brain zaps are considered to be caused by neurotransmitter alterations within the brain, particularly those involving "serotonin."

GABA or serotonin levels being lowered by a medication or substance that crosses the brain barrier can cause brain zaps. Overuse of colloidal silver even on skin can cross the brain barrier and temporary lower GABA or serotonin. No research states that an ototoxic reaction from colloidal silver applied to skin can cause tinnitus.

As said again in this article, your problems should go away. My therapist friend said what might help is slowing down on side-to-side eye movement. He can't say for sure if moving your head slowly and not your eyes across a computer screen will help the recovery process, but it's a simple therapy to try.

Brain Zaps: Causes & Treatments For Electrical Shock Sensations - Mental Health Daily
 
My body and mind are SO stressed out. I have constant pulsating trembles inside my body, heart palpitations from sounds that makes me feel like I am choking. Taking deep breaths don't calm me down one bit. I just get nauseous, lightheaded and feel sick to my stomach when doing that, and it actually often just makes it worse. I want to cry all the the time, but I can't get it out. I have never felt this level of stress before.

I don't want to die, but I cannot live like this. It's completely unbearable and all joy has left my life. I don't see any ways out of this other than the final one. My only other option is more medication, or starting a steady intake of alcohol, if I am to survive this much longer and that will probably fuck up my ears, and maybe my eyes, even more in the long run. It might even be medication that's already f***** me up. I have been feeling more and more symptoms on the Mirtazapine, but I am stuck on it. What I need is unreachable... a totally silent calm place to move into NOW, but I'm not even sure it would do much anymore. The damage is done I feel.
What an awful situation. People shouldn't have to live like this in this day and age; there should be more help and support for tinnitus and hyperacusis sufferers. Even a supportive and acknowledging tone from our doctors would be a start, but most of us don't even get that.

I wouldn't go down the alcohol route if I were you, but I don't want to sound preachy when you're clearly distressed. Have you tried reintegrating yourself back into the world? It may be that your self imposed isolation is making everything worse and all you have to focus on is your problems. I know this sounds dumb, considering how bad your mental state is, but would you consider joining a chess club? You'd be in a quiet room, and it would give your mind something else to focus on for a while. The deep concentration that's required transcends the mind into a state of meditation and I found that it really helped me during the darkest times of my life, and not just my tinnitus-related trauma. You would also get to socialise with others and this would allow you to get out of your own headspace for a bit.

If the idea of chess really doesn't appeal to you, then you could substitute it for any number of relatively quiet activities that involve deep concentration and social interaction. When we are depressed our problems become amplified tenfold. I think breaking our regular patterns and routines can help give ourselves a new sense of purpose and it can help naturally change the state of your mind. It's difficult to just get out of bed when we hit rock bottom, so I understand how ridiculous I probably sound to you, but if you can find someone to help you make baby steps forwards, then I believe it would make a big difference to your life.

We all need a sense of purpose.
 
What an awful situation. People shouldn't have to live like this in this day and age; there should be more help and support for tinnitus and hyperacusis sufferers. Even a supportive and acknowledging tone from our doctors would be a start, but most of us don't even get that.

I wouldn't go down the alcohol route if I were you, but I don't want to sound preachy when you're clearly distressed. Have you tried reintegrating yourself back into the world? It may be that your self imposed isolation is making everything worse and all you have to focus on is your problems. I know this sounds dumb, considering how bad your mental state is, but would you consider joining a chess club? You'd be in a quiet room, and it would give your mind something else to focus on for a while. The deep concentration that's required transcends the mind into a state of meditation and I found that it really helped me during the darkest times of my life, and not just my tinnitus-related trauma. You would also get to socialise with others and this would allow you to get out of your own headspace for a bit.

If the idea of chess really doesn't appeal to you, then you could substitute it for any number of relatively quiet activities that involve deep concentration and social interaction. When we are depressed our problems become amplified tenfold. I think breaking our regular patterns and routines can help give ourselves a new sense of purpose and it can help naturally change the state of your mind. It's difficult to just get out of bed when we hit rock bottom, so I understand how ridiculous I probably sound to you, but if you can find someone to help you make baby steps forwards, then I believe it would make a big difference to your life.

We all need a sense of purpose.
Hi there Ed. Just wanted to let you know I've read your post and I appreciate it. Right now I simply don't know how to apply any positive small change in my life. I feel completely frozen in my pain and suffering. I am going to the doctor on Thursday to get checked regarding my body tremors. I hope I will eventually find some relief from it, because this has taken away my last ability to do much of anything. I have to resort to lying in bed many hours a day cause I very often get so easily winded and dizzy just from standing up.
 
I'm freaking out. Gonna be sick. Took Tramadol with Acetaminophen for CRPS (nerve pain disease) and my tinnitus got louder, and there is a new tone, like the sound a hearing aid makes, but shriller.

I'm gonna vomit. I only took 1 but my tinnitus already had gotten louder 2 months ago due to a bottle of Toradol I was supposed to take for the pain condition. So I'm afraid it's permanent this time from the acetaminophen. Everything sounds so loud and painful, even eating chips. I'm so afraid that this has done permanent damage.

It's been about 4 days and I took a steroid but it doesn't seem to be going down, and the new tone is scaring me most of all. I'm terrified. I'm on my 22, I cannot take this. I'm so so scared. Someone please help.
 
I can barely handle going to the store anymore. It's mainly the sound of people grabbing shopping carts. They pull them out so hard that when the carts separate and unfold, they slam down. I usually try to run into the store as quickly as I can, but some stores have checkouts right beside the cart collection.
I often use foam earplugs now, under a winter hat aka toque - didn't do it often enough, I guess - and when I don't, I seem to experience an acoustic trauma.
With the weather getting warmer, now what can I/we do?!?

I recently was at a gas station at a busy traffic street and it was warm out so wasn't wearing a hat - had no earplugs in. A loud truck went by. Spiking ever since. It is unbearable. Eventually, I won't be able to take it anymore.
 
I often use foam earplugs now, under a winter hat aka toque - didn't do it often enough, I guess - and when I don't, I seem to experience an acoustic trauma.
With the weather getting warmer, now what can I/we do?!?

I recently was at a gas station at a busy traffic street and it was warm out so wasn't wearing a hat - had no earplugs in. A loud truck went by. Spiking ever since. It is unbearable. Eventually, I won't be able to take it anymore.
I just sport earmuffs everywhere. I don't even care anymore, earplugs are an annoying to put in and out anyways.
 
I often use foam earplugs now, under a winter hat aka toque - didn't do it often enough, I guess - and when I don't, I seem to experience an acoustic trauma.
With the weather getting warmer, now what can I/we do?!?

I recently was at a gas station at a busy traffic street and it was warm out so wasn't wearing a hat - had no earplugs in. A loud truck went by. Spiking ever since. It is unbearable. Eventually, I won't be able to take it anymore.
I don't really understand the connection between the ability to wear earplugs and winter. Are you ashamed of them? If so and you can't get over it, there are transparent earplugs which barely can be seen. Offers less protection than foamies, but better than nothing.

I for one don't care about the stares, I wear earmuffs in public when my ears are tired of the earplugs. Sure, I feel like the town freak, but I try to look at it like glasses. I need them for a medical condition, so if others have a problem with it, it is their issue, not mine.
 
30 dB trucks going by sound like a jet engine going off. Every day is worse. But somehow, I can deal with it.

What I can't deal with is facing doctors again. It brings me right back to my early days and sends my mental health into a spiral. Being doubted is the key to insanity. I know it's best to not bother, but I need to build a disability case. And yes, I know I must play the mental health card. I am on a long waiting list.

I bring up the recent study in the thread Juan made about otoacoustic emissions testing to my ENT, one who has been brought up on this forum, and supposed to be worth his salt. I was already waiting on him to respond to other messages. I just get the "that test involves hair cells, try TRT" response from his assistant, which he had already pushed during my appointment. I already know this information, dude. You aren't listening to me. Though I know not much can be done for hyperacusis, he's seem disinterested start to finish and unwilling to explore possibilities or guide me beyond TRT and antidepressants. I do not understand the pushback. I'm sure me trying to bring up latest research was enough reason to dismiss me as a loony though.

I need proof, that's all. Something tangible saying my ears are screwed, especially with my distortion prior to hyperacusis and always being a tad hard of hearing, there's gotta be something there. And the very real chance of ear damage for my particular case of hyperacusis. But no, it doesn't matter what your cause was. As soon as an ENT hears the word hyperacusis escape your mouth they just shut out any other possibilities. I still have yet to find doctors who believe and are willing to explore what I've gone through and I am reliving the nightmare at the expense of more exposure and damage.

I still cannot navigate this song and dance you have to do with doctors. Please, by all means, give me advice if you have it. Info dumping or bringing up research makes them shut you out, offended that you dare challenge their authority. Too little information and they make wildly inaccurate assumptions. I am thorough but my appointment notes are still wildly inaccurate. This is like learning a new language ffs. I'm no ass kisser, especially to these types, but that seems like that's what you gotta do. Either way, it seems a losing game.
 
30 dB trucks going by sound like a jet engine going off. Every day is worse. But somehow, I can deal with it.

What I can't deal with is facing doctors again. It brings me right back to my early days and sends my mental health into a spiral. Being doubted is the key to insanity. I know it's best to not bother, but I need to build a disability case. And yes, I know I must play the mental health card. I am on a long waiting list.

I bring up the recent study in the thread Juan made about otoacoustic emissions testing to my ENT, one who has been brought up on this forum, and supposed to be worth his salt. I was already waiting on him to respond to other messages. I just get the "that test involves hair cells, try TRT" response from his assistant, which he had already pushed during my appointment. I already know this information, dude. You aren't listening to me. Though I know not much can be done for hyperacusis, he's seem disinterested start to finish and unwilling to explore possibilities or guide me beyond TRT and antidepressants. I do not understand the pushback. I'm sure me trying to bring up latest research was enough reason to dismiss me as a loony though.

I need proof, that's all. Something tangible saying my ears are screwed, especially with my distortion prior to hyperacusis and always being a tad hard of hearing, there's gotta be something there. And the very real chance of ear damage for my particular case of hyperacusis. But no, it doesn't matter what your cause was. As soon as an ENT hears the word hyperacusis escape your mouth they just shut out any other possibilities. I still have yet to find doctors who believe and are willing to explore what I've gone through and I am reliving the nightmare at the expense of more exposure and damage.

I still cannot navigate this song and dance you have to do with doctors. Please, by all means, give me advice if you have it. Info dumping or bringing up research makes them shut you out, offended that you dare challenge their authority. Too little information and they make wildly inaccurate assumptions. I am thorough but my appointment notes are still wildly inaccurate. This is like learning a new language ffs. I'm no ass kisser, especially to these types, but that seems like that's what you gotta do. Either way, it seems a losing game.
I'm not sure where in the world you live, but my experience here in the USA is to go to university doctors. They are much more interested in novel types of cases and have more of an interest in the academics of everything. Some may even discuss your case with the other doctors/professors at the university. Maybe you have already tried this, but just my experience so far.
 
My tinnitus is so loud from Tramadol that contained Acetaminophen. It's been this way for a week, since I've taken it. Every sound is tinny and painful, and I hear a new tone. Can someone please help? I'm near vomiting.
 
Shout out to @Chinmoku. I haven't forgotten about tracking down information on injections my ex is receiving for her autoimmune disorder. She always takes a while to get back to me and we can't use the landlines anymore for some reason. If I call the UK it will eat up all my phone credit in a literal second, it's weird.

Anyhoo, when I know, I will relay the info on and hopefully she will let me know who the doctors are at the NHS as well.

Just wanted you to know, I haven't forgotten.

Take care my friend,
Daniel XXXXXX, hugs
 
My tinnitus is so loud from Tramadol that contained Acetaminophen. It's been this way for a week, since I've taken it. Every sound is tinny and painful, and I hear a new tone. Can someone please help? I'm near vomiting.
I don't think there's anything to do but wait. Maybe it gets better.
 
I'm not sure where in the world you live, but my experience here in the USA is to go to university doctors. They are much more interested in novel types of cases and have more of an interest in the academics of everything. Some may even discuss your case with the other doctors/professors at the university. Maybe you have already tried this, but just my experience so far.
Damn, too late. Unfortunately one of the ENTs that I believe was university affiliated and involved in research just moved to California a few months ago. Had high hopes for her but didn't get to her in time. Dr. Konstantina Stankovic to be precise. So I'm not sure who is left who will fit the bill, but I will keep this in mind, thank you!

The place I go is a teaching hospital of Harvard but I know that doesn't necessarily mean that every doctor teaches or is involved with research though. I've still been mostly disappointed by what I've encountered so far.
 
@pleasejuststop, I also have CRPS (nerve pain disease). Used Tramadol with Acetaminophen after getting tinnitus. Tramadol induced tinnitus will usually resolve. It may take weeks or months. For me, my spike resolved in three weeks. Stay in touch - let's talk more.
 
Shout out to @Chinmoku. I haven't forgotten about tracking down information on injections my ex is receiving for her autoimmune disorder. She always takes a while to get back to me and we can't use the landlines anymore for some reason. If I call the UK it will eat up all my phone credit in a literal second, it's weird.

Anyhoo, when I know, I will relay the info on and hopefully she will let me know who the doctors are at the NHS as well.

Just wanted you to know, I haven't forgotten.

Take care my friend,
Daniel XXXXXX, hugs
Thank you, my dear friend. You are in my thoughts, Daniel.
 
Damn, too late. Unfortunately one of the ENTs that I believe was university affiliated and involved in research just moved to California a few months ago. Had high hopes for her but didn't get to her in time. Dr. Konstantina Stankovic to be precise. So I'm not sure who is left who will fit the bill, but I will keep this in mind, thank you!

The place I go is a teaching hospital of Harvard but I know that doesn't necessarily mean that every doctor teaches or is involved with research though. I've still been mostly disappointed by what I've encountered so far.
I may just be fortunate that the school near me has physicians who have taken interest in tinnitus. Unfortunately, they have not been able to help me so far, but they at least take me seriously.
 
@pleasejuststop, I also have CRPS (nerve pain disease). Used Tramadol with Acetaminophen after getting tinnitus. Tramadol induced tinnitus will usually resolve. It may take weeks or months. For me, my spike resolved in three weeks. Stay in touch - let's talk more.
Was it the Tramadol that caused your spike or the Acetaminophen in it?

I took Tramadol again, this time the version without Acetaminophen, and I have a bottle left. I hope Tramadol alone wouldn't cause a spike too. I know it has some similarities to an SNRI. I took one again yesterday and my tinnitus seemed very loud, but I was assuming that was the Acetaminophen spike from a week ago. I don't really respond well to serotonergic drugs. But they haven't increased my tinnitus so far.

Thank you for replying. Feel free to respond.
 
@pleasejuststop, a medical journal that I use has a long chapter on medication use and tinnitus. What I find valuable is statistic percentage values, including percentage of a drug causing tinnitus, percentage of increasing tinnitus, time of use percentages and percentages if a spike or tinnitus will resolve.

The journal states that Tramadol without Acetaminophen has a 88% less chance of causing a spike. Short-term use (1 to 14 days) of Tramadol with Acetaminophen that causes a spike will resolve 99% of the time.

Within pain medication classes, Vicodin should be avoided as 10 of 12 of three-year users will get hearing loss and tinnitus.
 
@pleasejuststop, a medical journal that I use has a long chapter on medication use and tinnitus. What I find valuable is statistic percentage values, including percentage of a drug causing tinnitus, percentage of increasing tinnitus, time of use percentages and percentages if a spike or tinnitus will resolve.

The journal states that Tramadol without Acetaminophen has a 88% less chance of causing a spike. Short-term use (1 to 14 days) of Tramadol with Acetaminophen that causes a spike will resolve 99% of the time.

Within pain medication classes, Vicodin should be avoided as 10 of 12 of three-year users will get hearing loss and tinnitus.
@Greg Sacramento, thank you! Reassuring. The journal sounds valuable to have. Yeah, definitely will avoid those. I'm sorry you are suffering from CRPS too. That and tinnitus at the same time is horrific. How have you been dealing with it all?
 
Realistically how long till the Susan Shore device comes out? And do you think it'll help with reactive tinnitus? I'm having a horrible time with my tinnitus. I'm not sure how much longer I can watch the world pass me by as I go further and further in debt. I need to make money somehow. I am losing all hope. My tinnitus shoots up when taking a shower to insane level, even with hearing protection in. I just can't believe I've worked myself into such a state.
 
Hi @Travis Henry. I was there. I couldn't shower without wanting to blow my brains out afterwards. The same with chewing food, and walking. Piercing drills that would just rape my brain all day long until I'd pass out from exhaustion. It took a couple of weeks of being housebound before I saw improvements. I can shower now without having to worry about spikes. I can eat, walk, and talk again. I'm right now listening to Hip on Hop on moderate volume from a big ass speaker while wearing plugs. There's no pain, no spikes. I can do this for hours now. Keep your head up.
 
Hi @Travis Henry. I was there. I couldn't shower without wanting to blow my brains out afterwards. The same with chewing food, and walking. Piercing drills that would just rape my brain all day long until I'd pass out from exhaustion. It took a couple of weeks of being housebound before I saw improvements. I can shower now without having to worry about spikes. I can eat, walk, and talk again. I'm right now listening to Hip on Hop on moderate volume from a big ass speaker while wearing plugs. There's no pain, no spikes. I can do this for hours now. Keep your head up.
@danielthor, are you still getting the piercing drills that are intrusive? Were they like shrill, electrical feelings? Good to see you've improved.
 
@danielthor, are you still getting the piercing drills that are intrusive? Were they like shrill, electrical feelings? Good to see you've improved.
They were all-encompassing, like waves of electrical drilling, piercing, high pitch, multiple tones, one of them musical / hallucinatory where the sound of stuff from the TV and even people from real life going off in a loop in my head at all hours.

Thankfully the main piercing tone covered that, or else I think I would have gone insane

My tinnitus is low most days now, but when I expose myself to too much audio at a time I get setbacks. If I went a whole year of silence I would have been fully healed by now. I know this to be true in my own case, not necessarily true for everyone.
 
They were all-encompassing, like waves of electrical drilling, piercing, high pitch, multiple tones, one of them musical / hallucinatory where the sound of stuff from the TV and even people from real life going off in a loop in my head at all hours.

Thankfully the main piercing tone covered that, or else I think I would have gone insane

My tinnitus is low most days now, but when I expose myself to too much audio at a time I get setbacks. If I went a whole year of silence I would have been fully healed by now. I know this to be true in my own case, not necessarily true for everyone.
@danielthor, thanks for the info and help. Did your tinnitus ever physically hurt at its worst? I have a tone that's so piercing in frequency that it literally hurts; feels like electrical currents running through the ear. It also screeches/zaps/sounds like train breaks squealing intermittently. It does that a few times a minute at least and it causes what feels like an electrical shock. I also have the steam escaping sound that feels that way, too. Did any of your tones feel like any of these sensations?

Your testimony gives hope. Thanks.
 
They were all-encompassing, like waves of electrical drilling, piercing, high pitch, multiple tones, one of them musical / hallucinatory where the sound of stuff from the TV and even people from real life going off in a loop in my head at all hours.

Thankfully the main piercing tone covered that, or else I think I would have gone insane

My tinnitus is low most days now, but when I expose myself to too much audio at a time I get setbacks. If I went a whole year of silence I would have been fully healed by now. I know this to be true in my own case, not necessarily true for everyone.
Silence helps mine a lot too. I don't mask and even sleep in complete silence. And try to mitigate noise as much as possible without completely blocking out sound.
 
@danielthor, thanks for the info and help. Did your tinnitus ever physically hurt at its worst? I have a tone that's so piercing in frequency that it literally hurts; feels like electrical currents running through the ear. It also screeches/zaps/sounds like train breaks squealing intermittently. It does that a few times a minute at least and it causes what feels like an electrical shock. I also have the steam escaping sound that feels that way, too. Did any of your tones feel like any of these sensations?

Your testimony gives hope. Thanks.
Sometimes if I imagined the sound to be real, coming from outside of me, it would give me needle-stabbing pain like hyperacusis.
 
Sometimes if I imagined the sound to be real, coming from outside of me, it would give me needle-stabbing pain like hyperacusis.
With mine, I can be not paying attention to the tinnitus if I'm engaged in something, but then that feeling and sound of a sharp zap brings it to the forefront of my mind, like an electrical shock that is sudden. I hear it and feel it. It happens often, a few times per minute on average. And its intensity is random. So I dunno what that means in my case. It's maddening. It happens whether I'm attuned to it or not. I'll tell ya, as smart as the human brain can be, it also can be dumb as a rock when something goes wrong. Why it endlessly tortures itself over a sound that isn't real is a big mystery. Like a dog chasing its tail in circles... truly moronic.
 

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