The Christmas from Hell — Contracted Tinnitus from a Guitar Amp

[Paul674]

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to ask for some advice. I recently contracted tinnitus - from a guitar amp my wife bought me for Christmas. It was a small desktop amp, and I played it on 16th December (obviously) too close to my ears. Two and a half weeks on and the hissing in my ears hasn't stopped. I can hear it over the noise of the engine of my car and the TV so it is a distraction. However, the worst is the sleeping. I went to the doctors and she prescribed me Zopiclone as a short term measure. It is apparently addictive when used for more then a couple of weeks, moreover, I'm only getting 5 hours sleep on it. My mood is consequently really low. I have also been using sleep masking on my phone but too little effect. I am a poor sleeper generally and have had bouts of insomnia in the past but always get over them - but this!

Last night I tried sleep without the Zopiclone and had a full blown panic attack - my whole body was shaking so off I went for a pill again. I took a half (3.75) and got only three hours. Seven or eight years ago I had a period of depression and I was prescribed Lexapro, which was fantastic. Yet reading on this forum I see that this and other other SSRI's are apparently ototoxic, similarly the tricyclic antidepressants such as Amitriptyline are also ototoxic. I know that if i could just sleep my mood would improve, and Lexapro helped me so much previously enabling me to sleep, but I am terrified it will make my tinnitus worse. I have ordered some St John's Wort online but am somewhat skeptical of its efficacy - plus it takes 6 weeks to work, whereas SSRI's take 2.

I would really appreciate knowing:

• Whether with habituation sleeping gets better?
• Whether people have had any positive experiences with SSRI's? The internet is a nightmare of conflicting information.
• How long, if at all, people have used sleeping pills such as Zopiclone with tinnitus?
• Whether I should just abandon all helps of a pharmaceutical solution and just accept chronic insomnia as the reality of having tinnitus?

Thanks for reading,

Paul

 

[ChrisBoyMonkey]

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to ask for some advice. I recently contracted tinnitus - from a guitar amp my wife bought me for Christmas. It was a small desktop amp, and I played it on 16th December (obviously) too close to my ears. Two and a half weeks on and the hissing in my ears hasn't stopped. I can hear it over the noise of the engine of my car and the TV so it is a distraction. However, the worst is the sleeping. I went to the doctors and she prescribed me Zopiclone as a short term measure. It is apparently addictive when used for more then a couple of weeks, moreover, I'm only getting 5 hours sleep on it. My mood is consequently really low. I have also been using sleep masking on my phone but too little effect. I am a poor sleeper generally and have had bouts of insomnia in the past but always get over them - but this!

Last night I tried sleep without the Zopiclone and had a full blown panic attack - my whole body was shaking so off I went for a pill again. I took a half (3.75) and got only three hours. Seven or eight years ago I had a period of depression and I was prescribed Lexapro, which was fantastic. Yet reading on this forum I see that this and other other SSRI's are apparently ototoxic, similarly the tricyclic antidepressants such as Amitriptyline are also ototoxic. I know that if i could just sleep my mood would improve, and Lexapro helped me so much previously enabling me to sleep, but I am terrified it will make my tinnitus worse. I have ordered some St John's Wort online but am somewhat skeptical of its efficacy - plus it takes 6 weeks to work, whereas SSRI's take 2.

I would really appreciate knowing:

• Whether with habituation sleeping gets better?
• Whether people have had any positive experiences with SSRI's? The internet is a nightmare of conflicting information.
• How long, if at all, people have used sleeping pills such as Zopiclone with tinnitus?
• Whether I should just abandon all helps of a pharmaceutical solution and just accept chronic insomnia as the reality of having tinnitus?

Thanks for reading,

Paul

My sleep isn't exactly good but I can usually sleep not too bad with melatonin and rain sounds through headphones playing rain sounds at just enough volume to mask the tinnitus, which is at about 30-40% volume for me. It probably wouldn't be a good idea if they had to be louder than this.

Some people might say to avoid headphones fanatically for fear of getting worse on here but everyone is different and not everyone will get worse simply from that, personally I can't sleep without them.

I also use an anxiety pill called buspar for when the melatonin isn't enough. It's not primarily for sleeping but it makes me pretty drowsy as a side effect so I use it as needed.

 

[Digital Doc]

Yes, sleep gets better with habituation. For sure!

I did not take any SSRI's or other rx meds. I did take melatonin to get me over the hump when the insomnia got bad. I also take daily omega3 as an antiinflammatory, and aloe/green tea, which together all helped.

Hang in there, if you can avoid additional noise injury (easier said than done), the tinnitus does get better.

 

[Gman]

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to ask for some advice. I recently contracted tinnitus - from a guitar amp my wife bought me for Christmas. It was a small desktop amp, and I played it on 16th December (obviously) too close to my ears. Two and a half weeks on and the hissing in my ears hasn't stopped. I can hear it over the noise of the engine of my car and the TV so it is a distraction. However, the worst is the sleeping. I went to the doctors and she prescribed me Zopiclone as a short term measure. It is apparently addictive when used for more then a couple of weeks, moreover, I'm only getting 5 hours sleep on it. My mood is consequently really low. I have also been using sleep masking on my phone but too little effect. I am a poor sleeper generally and have had bouts of insomnia in the past but always get over them - but this!

Last night I tried sleep without the Zopiclone and had a full blown panic attack - my whole body was shaking so off I went for a pill again. I took a half (3.75) and got only three hours. Seven or eight years ago I had a period of depression and I was prescribed Lexapro, which was fantastic. Yet reading on this forum I see that this and other other SSRI's are apparently ototoxic, similarly the tricyclic antidepressants such as Amitriptyline are also ototoxic. I know that if i could just sleep my mood would improve, and Lexapro helped me so much previously enabling me to sleep, but I am terrified it will make my tinnitus worse. I have ordered some St John's Wort online but am somewhat skeptical of its efficacy - plus it takes 6 weeks to work, whereas SSRI's take 2.

I would really appreciate knowing:

• Whether with habituation sleeping gets better?
• Whether people have had any positive experiences with SSRI's? The internet is a nightmare of conflicting information.
• How long, if at all, people have used sleeping pills such as Zopiclone with tinnitus?
• Whether I should just abandon all helps of a pharmaceutical solution and just accept chronic insomnia as the reality of having tinnitus?

Thanks for reading,

Paul

I don't know how loud you played it, but you're still in the early days. There's a chance it will go away, eventually. Probably be best to avoid loud noise.
I would agree with melatonin, but it's a subtle effect and taking a time release one was better for me to stay asleep longer. Took some nights to start having an effect either way. Lower doses are considered to be more effective than larger according to some studies.

 

[MRItechssuck]

Did you set it to 11?
I'm hopeful it will resolve itself.

I'd personally buy a Honeywell air filter, or a noise generator asap from Amazon versus any drug.

 

[Paul674]

Hi everyone,

Many thanks for coming back to me. I'm in a very low place at the moment and I really appreciate your responses.

Yes, sleep gets better with habituation. For sure!

.

This is what I joined this forum for - something positive. Last night I had another bad night. I eventually caved in at 4.40am and took 3.75mg of Zoplicone - got a couple of hours. I am in a really bad place at the moment and talking to people who are also going through this nightmare really helps.

I'd personally buy a Honeywell air filter, or a noise generator asap from Amazon versus any drug.

I am using noise masking - an app on my phone through a bluetooth speaker. I still can't sleep and it make my ears hurt, my tinnitus is worse at night or I notice it more. I had a history of insomnia that I finally beat and now this - life eh.

[QUOTE"]I would agree with melatonin, but it's a subtle effect and taking a time release one was better for me to stay asleep longer.[/QUOTE].

I live in Ireland and Melatonin is not available unfortunately in the EU. I am going to my GP tomorrow to talk to her about an anti-depressive.

[QUOTEI don't know how loud you played it, but you're still in the early days. There's a chance it will go away, eventually. Probably be best to avoid loud noise.[/QUOTE]

Ironically, not that loud - might have hit 95db a couple of times but I was close to the bloody thing. I guess it could be long term use - electric guitars through valve amps don't sound right unless you play them at a decent volume - what a fool I've been. I will definitely be avoiding loud noise - ear defenders and ear plugs while I cut the grass. And I will be selling every guitar, amp, effects box I own. Never again.

All the best

Paul

 

[Mister Muso]

Hi,

I have noise induced tinnitus from years of loud music.

I took Amitriptyline for 2-3 months and it helped me sleep better. My tinnitus didn't get any worse and my hyperacusis improved significantly.

Agree about avoiding headphone usage and get in the habit of taking earplugs when you leave the house and in the kitchen.

 

[Surrealgirl]

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to ask for some advice. I recently contracted tinnitus - from a guitar amp my wife bought me for Christmas. It was a small desktop amp, and I played it on 16th December (obviously) too close to my ears. Two and a half weeks on and the hissing in my ears hasn't stopped. I can hear it over the noise of the engine of my car and the TV so it is a distraction. However, the worst is the sleeping. I went to the doctors and she prescribed me Zopiclone as a short term measure. It is apparently addictive when used for more then a couple of weeks, moreover, I'm only getting 5 hours sleep on it. My mood is consequently really low. I have also been using sleep masking on my phone but too little effect. I am a poor sleeper generally and have had bouts of insomnia in the past but always get over them - but this!

Last night I tried sleep without the Zopiclone and had a full blown panic attack - my whole body was shaking so off I went for a pill again. I took a half (3.75) and got only three hours. Seven or eight years ago I had a period of depression and I was prescribed Lexapro, which was fantastic. Yet reading on this forum I see that this and other other SSRI's are apparently ototoxic, similarly the tricyclic antidepressants such as Amitriptyline are also ototoxic. I know that if i could just sleep my mood would improve, and Lexapro helped me so much previously enabling me to sleep, but I am terrified it will make my tinnitus worse. I have ordered some St John's Wort online but am somewhat skeptical of its efficacy - plus it takes 6 weeks to work, whereas SSRI's take 2.

I would really appreciate knowing:

• Whether with habituation sleeping gets better?
• Whether people have had any positive experiences with SSRI's? The internet is a nightmare of conflicting information.
• How long, if at all, people have used sleeping pills such as Zopiclone with tinnitus?
• Whether I should just abandon all helps of a pharmaceutical solution and just accept chronic insomnia as the reality of having tinnitus?

Thanks for reading,

Paul

So sorry this happened. I have had this happen with loud music in the past and usually it is just a couple days. You sound level may have just been the straw. If it is still with you by the end of this month it is probably permanent, but time will be the only way to know. I would really try not to use sleeping pills though I am guilty of using Zzzquil sometimes, and a glass of wine most days. Just bought a new mattress so hope once I get it it helps with sleeping better, so if you do have an old mattress (mine is 21 years old) then that may help you if you get a new one, supposed to replace every ten years. If you don't exercise at all then you might want to think about that, as that is supposed to help with insomnia, just make sure you don't do it too close to going to bed, at least 3-4 hours earlier if not more. They say if you exercise in the morning you will sleep better at night. I plan to take my own advice here.

To help with the tinnitus at night, I do sleep with a ceiling fan on, and also a regular fan at times if I need the extra white noise. It helps a lot. It's a nice neutral sound that won't aggravate it.

 

[Tybs]

Whether with habituation sleeping gets better?

Habituation takes quite a while, but it definitely gets better. I still have alternating hisses (posture-related) when I lie down, but I'm used to them and usually fall asleep in five to ten minutes. I don't use masking of any kind.

Waking up in between still can be a bit of a struggle, but I usually get 6-7 hour nights.

 

[Paul674]

I took Amitriptyline for 2-3 months and it helped me sleep better. My tinnitus didn't get any worse and my hyperacusis improved significantly.

That's interesting. I was thinking of using Remeron, another tricyclic. I read somewhere that it was the only tricyclic that didn't have a risk of making tinnitus worse. Of course if you dig far enough there are invariably cases where it does. My state of mind is such that I really need something as a stop gap just to get me back on my feet again. Just been listening to a thing on youtube on CBT for tinnitus and the person they are describing who is doing everything wrong is me!

I would really try not to use sleeping pills though I am guilty of using Zzzquil

Of course you're right - sleeping pills are never a good option - years of insomnia have taught me that. My problem is that I am not sleeping with masking sounds and it is giving me major anxiety just thinking of going to bed. Have had very little sleep the last few nights and I can't go on like this.

Thanks for your comments.

 

[Paul674]

Habituation takes quite a while, but it definitely gets better. I still have alternating hisses (posture-related) when I lie down, but I'm used to them and usually fall asleep in five to ten minutes. I don't use masking of any kind.

My problem is sleep - if I can get to just six hours it would be fantastic. I can deal with the permanent hiss in the day but I can't survive on 3 or 4 hours sleep a night. Bring on the Zoplicone

 

[Bartoli]

I live in Ireland

This is great if you want to try Lenire.

And I will be selling every guitar, amp, effects box I own. Never again.

This is great if you want to be able to pay for Lenire.

Joking aside, I'm sorry you had this happen to you. I'm serious about trying Lenire. Tinnitus can still go away at this point, but your appointment would probably be some time out so you can always cancel.

 

[Tybs]

My problem is sleep - if I can get to just six hours it would be fantastic. I can deal with the permanent hiss in the day but I can't survive on 3 or 4 hours sleep a night. Bring on the Zoplicone

Habituation got several boosts for me once I did my own research and started to understand what was happening with my hearing, especially once I read about multiple similar cases where T faded. You "only" had it for two and a halve weeks (don't take that the wrong way, I know how hard the first weeks were with my twelve sounds at the time). So much can still happen right now, keep the hope alive during the struggle. Don't research too much though, T should not become an obsession.

Try using some white noise for sleep, that's how I started out. In your original post you mentioned you can't mask the sound, but that's fine: one should not do that anyway, the brain needs to learn that other sounds are more important to focus on. Actively listen to the white noise until you fall asleep, I used rain sounds for this. Took me a week to get used to it, but afterwards I had my first 6 hour nights again. Though I eventually stopped using it because I don't want to have external dependencies, I think it is still a good bridge towards habituation.

Other good options are to distract yourself during the day (I didn't take sick breaks so I could keep myself busy) and tire yourself out so you fall asleep right away at night. You'll probably wake up in between... which is annoying, but you get used to it eventually. As it is now, I fall asleep pretty quickly again after waking up.

Personally, I'd ditch the pills and save them for extreme emergencies. They bring some relieve on the short term, but their addictive nature makes habituation even harder later on. I did not allow myself to use any kind of sleeping pill. Probably the hardest thing I've ever done (those first two weeks felt like hell), but I've thanked myself a lot for it afterwards. Once I (or maybe my brain) learned how to sleep again despite of all the noise, I could function again. The annoyance of the condition itself decreases extremely slowly, but annoyance is a lot less of an issue than fear.

 

[Tybs]

Habituation got several boosts for me once I did my own research and started to understand what was happening with my hearing, especially once I read about multiple similar cases where T faded. You "only" had it for two and a halve weeks (don't take that the wrong way, I know how hard the first weeks were with my twelve sounds at the time). So much can still happen right now, keep the hope alive during the struggle. Don't research too much though, T should not become an obsession.

Try using some white noise for sleep, that's how I started out. In your original post you mentioned you can't mask the sound, but that's fine: one should not do that anyway, the brain needs to learn that other sounds are more important to focus on. Actively listen to the white noise until you fall asleep, I used rain sounds for this. Took me a week to get used to it, but afterwards I had my first 6 hour nights again. Though I eventually stopped using it because I don't want to have external dependencies, I think it is still a good bridge towards habituation.

Other good options are to distract yourself during the day (I didn't take sick breaks so I could keep myself busy) and tire yourself out so you fall asleep right away at night. You'll probably wake up in between... which is annoying, but you get used to it eventually. As it is now, I fall asleep pretty quickly again after waking up.

Personally, I'd ditch the pills and save them for extreme emergencies. They bring some relieve on the short term, but their addictive nature makes habituation even harder later on. I did not allow myself to use any kind of sleeping pill. Probably the hardest thing I've ever done (those first two weeks felt like hell), but I've thanked myself a lot for it afterwards. Once I (or maybe my brain) learned how to sleep again despite of all the noise, I could function again. The annoyance of the condition itself decreases extremely slowly, but annoyance is a lot less of an issue than fear.

And the irony that I just now happen to have a night where I can't fall asleep . Non T-related though, my vacation ends today and I'm thinking a bit too much about what to pick up next for work tomorrow... bad habit.

Something I just realised and that I feel obligated to add to my previous reply. It should be noted that since November, my T has decreased a lot. Even though I mostly habituated before this time, this fact probably helped in sleeping more easily as well... anyway, felt like I shouldn't leave that part out.

I hope that you'll find relief from your T soon

 

[Paul674]

I'm serious about trying Lenire.

I have looked at Lenire on this forum. The response seems mixed - I'm just not convinced at the moment. It's about a 3 hour drive to Dublin from where I am - so yeah that's a big plus. I'll be interested to see how it does in wider trials when it goes to Germany. I am trying not to hope that it goes away, just trying to accept it. Hoping for something and it not happening is always worse.

 

[Paul674]

Actively listen to the white noise until you fall asleep, I used rain sounds for this. Took me a week to get used to it, but afterwards I had my first 6 hour nights again.

Fair play. My problem is that I have a long history of insomnia which means sleep was never a strong suit...and now this. Even with 7.5mg of zopiclone I only slept 4 and a half hrs last night. I am now getting that feeling of panic anxiety about even going to bed, and all the time that bloody sound is buzzing away in my head. I know I will habituate to it eventually.

Personally, I'd ditch the pills and save them for extreme emergencies. They bring some relieve on the short term, but their addictive nature makes habituation even harder later on. I did not allow myself to use any kind of sleeping pill. Probably the hardest thing I've ever done (those first two weeks felt like hell), but I've thanked myself a lot for it afterwards. Once I (or maybe my brain) learned how to sleep again despite of all the noise, I could function again. The annoyance of the condition itself decreases extremely slowly, but annoyance is a lot less of an issue than fear.

I think a lot of my problems are mood and anxiety. I am going to see my doctor tomorrow about an anti-depressant Remeron - which works on mood and makes you sleepy. If my mood picks up everything else will follow. I had depression many years ago and Lexapro sorted me out and i was off it in 3 months.

It should be noted that since November, my T has decreased a lot. Even though I mostly habituated before this time, this fact probably helped in sleeping more easily as well... anyway, felt like I shouldn't leave that part out.

That's great news