The Effects of Alcohol, Benzodiazepines, Caffeine, and Naps on Sleep Which Could Affect Tinnitus

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Introduction

Very long post here! If you are interested in really trying to figure out a possible sleep and tinnitus effect, please read and let me know what you think. I can not verify the accuracy of all the charts and information in the links but I assume some of it is correct. If anyone finds any false information and is knowledgeable about it, please post a correction. If you are familiar with some of the information please skip to the next section(s). Please excuse the haphazardness of this article. I typed it without an outline.

The reason I put this together is because I've been trying to figure out for a while how some people sleep and wake up with loud T, soft T, or random. This is the best theory on why that I have come up with so far but need constructive criticism because I could be wrong somewhere or be completely wrong!

Section 1: Circadian Rhythm

One thing I have mentioned before is the body clock. Our body clocks can be different and are not exactly 24 hour periods.

Normal Circadian Rhythms have approximately a 24 hour cycle but can be reset by exposure to things like light and heat. (For example, many humans in the past would have the light and heat of the sun). Unfortunately, due to electric lights it can throw people's body clocks off.

Here are some example images of a circadian rhythm and the biological changes that take place:

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Source: https://learn.pharmacy.unc.edu/insomnia/node/6

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Source: https://selfhacked.com/2015/09/06/what-it-means-to-keep-to-a-circadian-rhythm/

The above link also has information about circadian rhythms so if you need to learn more, please click the link.

One thing to note however, is that there are Circadian Rhythm sleep disorders:

According to Wikipedia:

Non-24-hour sleep–wake disorder and other persistent circadian rhythm sleep disorders are believed to be caused by an inadequate ability to reset the sleep/wake cycle in response to environmental time cues. These individuals' circadian clocks might have an unusually long cycle, and/or might not be sensitive enough to time cues. People with DSPD (Delayed sleep phase disorder), more common than Non-24, do entrain to nature's 24 hours, but are unable to sleep and awaken at socially preferred times,

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circadian_rhythm_sleep_disorder#Circadian_rhythm_abnormalities

To maintain a good circadian rhythm it is recommended to not nap:

"Don't nap! In general, short naps may not hurt sleep, but they can affect fragile circadian rhythms. Napping during the day can damage a good sleep rhythm and keep you from enjoying a full sleep at night. If you suffer from insomnia, the best thing to do is keep from napping during the day. If naps are absolutely necessary, make sure you only nap once a day and keep it under ½ hour."

According to http://www.talkaboutsleep.com/circadian-rhythm-sleep-tips/

Below is an image of what can happen to a "normal" person during a nap. REM and NREM sleep will be explained in the next section. It may shed some light on why people can take a nap and wake up with low T or high T.

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Source: http://lifehacker.com/how-long-to-nap-for-the-biggest-brain-benefits-1251546669


Section 2: Alcohol

Here is a chart for what happens during "normal sleep" Keep in mind SWS (Slow Wave Sleep is 3 stages of sleep (some sources say 4) which is known as NREM (Non-Rapid Eye Movement) and then there is REM sleep which is Rapid Eye Movement Sleep.:

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Now notice what happens to Gaba and Glutamate during normal REM sleep. They are not increasing or decreasing (may not be the scientific term). Then look at the following chart and notice what happens during alcohol in REM sleep. GABA decreases but glutamate increases! :



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Some of these neurotransmitters have been mentioned on this site as having an effect on tinnitus.

Section 3: Melatonin

Melatonin at night which the body secretes can also affect REM sleep. Therefore, this might also affect tinnitus due to different hormonal and neurotransmitters changes which happen at different stages of sleep.

With most people melatonin seems to INCREASE REM sleep. The following link is information from a someone who took melatonin and gave details on REM and NREM sleep. It is very interesting.

http://jayquantified.blogspot.com/2012/08/melatonin-preliminary-results.html

However, there are some people with REM sleep behavior disorder:

Melatonin can reduce rapid eye movement (REM) sleep without atonia in REM sleepbehavior disorder (RBD). Melatonin doses of 3–12 mg appear efficacious in reducing clinical RBD symptoms. Minimal side effects may favor melatonin over clonazepam as initial therapy in RBD.

According to:
http://www.sleep-journal.com/article/S1389-9457(14)00412-2/abstract

To me this is puzzling as it seems that melatonin increases REM sleep, yet according to the source above, it says it reduces REM sleep with RBD. If anyone can explain this or it is inaccurate, please post below.

I would like to post some graphs of melatonin levels for the day in the hopes that maybe someone can figure out something. Keep in mind that this is for a "normal sleep schedule and circadian rhythm" for a "normal" person.

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Source: http://www.sandhillsneurologists.com/2015/04/melatonin-and-sleep/

HOWEVER, you must account for age as some charts do not show. Observe the following:

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Source: http://www.benbest.com/nutrceut/melatonin.html

My question is this: Would falling asleep during a certain level of melatonin, change the outcome of sleep cycles and therefore affect tinnitus somehow? Obviously, people need to go to bed at the proper time everyday though. Please let me know your theories.

Finally, melatonin has been found to help some people with tinnitus. Please read the complete study using the source link below:

Melatonin is associated with a statistically significant decrease in tinnitus intensity and improved sleep quality in patients with chronic tinnitus. Melatonin is most effective in men, those without a history of depression, those who have not undergone prior tinnitus treatments, those with more severe and bilateral tinnitus, and those with a history of noise exposure.

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21859051

Section 4: Benzodiazepines and Caffeine

Now establishing these issues I can further get to how benzodiazepines and caffeine affect stages of sleep. Observe the following charts (If you are using a computer instead of a smartphone or tablet, you may have to hold down the CTRL button and hit the + button repeatedly to zoom in. The - button will zoom out with CTRL is held down):

This one is how caffeine and benzodizepines can affect it (see charts):

http://www.sleepsources.org/uploads/sleepsyllabus/fr-j.html

Some interesting things to note. In the "normal" (within 8 hours) sleep above, you can see that there is 5 REM stages that happen (REM sleep happens 5 times during the sleep in that example). The first REM stage happens in between about 70 to 90 minutes in. The 4th REM stage is within 7 hours.

In the benzodiazepine sleep data listed, REM takes longer to achieve. It takes over 4 hours to get to the first REM cycle. The benzo induced sleep does not achieve the 4th REM sleep within 8 hours. In fact, it shows the person was awake for a short period of time before the 4th REM stage!

Check out the caffiene chart on the page also to see how it distorts sleep. Very interesting!

Section 5: Anti-depressants

Anti-depressants also affect REM and NREM sleep. Here is a chart on how certain anti-depressants affect sleep:

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http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/sleep-disorders/effects-antidepressants-sleep

The source above is a great read, so if you are interested in this subject, please read this.


Section 6: Anticonvulsants

Another type of drug that can have an effect on REM and NREM sleep is anticonvulsants. However, they can have much different effects depending on the specific drug. For example:

Lamictal (Lamotrigine) "increased REM sleep, reduced number of entries into REM sleep, decreased number of phase shifts, and decreased percentage of slow-wave sleep."

Neurontin (Gabapentin) "
increased REM sleep percentage, increased mean duration of REM periods, reduced number of awakenings, and reduced stage 1 sleep percentage"

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10718681

If you take an anticonvulsant please research on the internet how it effects your sleep if you think this information could be useful.

Section 7: Beta-Blockers

According to a study I found, drugs such as propranolol, metoprolol, and pindolol increased the amounts of awakening throughout the night. In addition, they reduced the amount of REM sleep. The drug atenolol reduced REM frequency.

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2865152

Another study showed that the supplement melatonin can aid certain sleep problems with beta blockers:

https://sleep.med.harvard.edu/news/482/Making+Headway+on+Beta-Blockers+and+Sleep

Conclusion

Therefore, benzos, caffeine, anti-depressants, alcohol, anti-convulsants, beta-blockers, and melatonin can all affect sleep cycles. (There are other things as well but I need to limit the scope of this post) Whether or not one of these things helps your tinnitus, makes it worse, or does nothing I do not know. I'm just stating this information and for those that take benzo's before sleep, let me know how your sleep is in the morning. For those who have never taken benzo's but have fluctuating T, try shutting off all electric lights and computers for a while before sleep and avoid taking a nap for a couple of days and let me know what happens. For those that take caffeine, let me know if it reduces it or increases it. I don't recommend messing around with caffeine or benzo's though because they can have bad consequences going cold turkey. Let me know what you all think.

My thinking is, if the sleep cycles can be manipulated safely in whatever way it needs to be, can it lower T on a regular basis? I also believe that good sleep hygiene and a steady circadian rhythm can improve mood.

Finally, I would like to conclude with this information on a study that showed all tinnitus patients studied had markedly different sleep cycles and a shortened duration of REM sleep. This is one of the main reasons I believe that REM/NREM sleep values can affect tinnitus. Keep in mind in the study THI stands for Tinnitus Handicap Inventory and the "Control" group is people that do not have tinnitus:

All tinnitus patients had a statistically significant alteration in sleep stages. Average percentage of stage 1 + stage 2 was 85.4% ± 6.3, whereas, in the control group, the average percentage of stage 1 + stage 2 was 54.9 ± 11.2 (p < 0.001). Stages 3 and 4 and rapid eye movement (REM) sleep was lacking in all tinnitus patients with an average percentage of 6.4 ± 4.9 of REM sleep, and 6.4 ± 4.9 of stages 3 + 4. The control group showed an average percentage of 21.5 ± 3.6 of REM sleep and 21.5 ± 3.6 of stages 3 + 4 (p < 0.001). No correlation was found between the decrease of REM and the increase of the THI score in the tinnitus group (r = 0.04). However, a mild correlation was found between the increase of light sleep (stage 1 + stage 2) and the THI score reported by the tinnitus group.

Source: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24005841

In my opinion, this subject is well worth looking into.

For those interested in all this, print and fill out this form and see if you can find a pattern. It is an enhanced sleep diary form :)

http://sleepcenter.ucla.edu/workfiles/forms/sleep-diary.pdf
 
Thanks Jason, there is definitely some kind of links as to why sleep resets things. In my case, I'm on a very solid 1 day loud, 1 day medium, 1 day low-ish. And then the cycle resets regardless of how much sleep I've had or any supplements I have taken. This might have something to do with the circadian rhythm but I have no idea what. I wish I knew how to keep it on "low" without fluctuating.
 
Thanks Jason, there is definitely some kind of links as to why sleep resets things. In my case, I'm on a very solid 1 day loud, 1 day medium, 1 day low-ish. And then the cycle resets regardless of how much sleep I've had or any supplements I have taken. This might have something to do with the circadian rhythm but I have no idea what. I wish I knew how to keep it on "low" without fluctuating.

Print and fill out this form and maybe we can figure something out:

http://sleepcenter.ucla.edu/workfiles/forms/sleep-diary.pdf

(I also just added it to the main post above for everyone else) :)

By the way everyone who is interested, here is a video on circadian rhythms and disorders. Very interesting! Please view it on the following thread:

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...-patterns-affect-tinnitus-and-or-moods.19431/

Also guys, I apologize for the original post, but I updated my original portion of this thread (Sections 1 to the Conclusion) to make it easier to understand.
 
Thanks Jason, there is definitely some kind of links as to why sleep resets things. In my case, I'm on a very solid 1 day loud, 1 day medium, 1 day low-ish. And then the cycle resets regardless of how much sleep I've had or any supplements I have taken. This might have something to do with the circadian rhythm but I have no idea what. I wish I knew how to keep it on "low" without fluctuating.

I just thought of possibly a better idea if you can afford it. Can you go to a sleep clinic for a few days? Maybe they can spot some differences in your sleep on good and bad days. If not, at least you can rule it out.

Or maybe you can first use a much cheaper option (but much less detailed) by using a sleep cycle app on your smartphone. For example,
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.northcube.sleepcycle&hl=en
 
Thanks for all the info and work you have done @JasonP.
I always find your posts very well thought out, researched and informative.

Samantha, I have a couple of anecdotes for you on why I think this might be part of it. One day the T was so loud at night that I took a lot of klonopin. I woke up about an hour later and it was still loud. (Did not reach REM stage). I then went back to sleep and slept I think for about 9 hours straight somehow which is enough to get into 4 stages of REM sleep even with a benzo. I woke up with low T. Another couple of times I took short naps (didn't reach REM) and woke up with louder T. One day much much later however, I took a short nap and it did not increase my T. Since part of my T was caused by klonopin, I had lowered my klonopin for a while and took a drug that lowered glutamate before the nap. However, I also had been drinking lots of water that day and the previous days. It's hard to say though if this is repeatable every time or just a coincidence because sleep can be affected by so many things and the brain is so complex.
 
@JasonP very interesting!
As a general rule, I try not to nap, as it's almost guaranteed that I will wake with loud tinnitus - this loud tinnitus is something I only experience after a nap or broken sleep. If my tinnitus was generally that loud during the day, it would be a whole different ball game.
The tinnitus also 'moves' to my ears, when I usually hear it in my head.
Same happens if my sleep is broken. Loud tinnitus. I am usually able to go back to sleep, but if my anxiety over the loud tinnitus is high, I have to use a benzo (Oxazepam). This usually lowers my tinnitus and has this effect overnight too if I can finish my sleep.
One morning I had to set my alarm to get up for 6am. I woke up with screaming ears, was so upset because I knew I had to get up.... didn't want to take a benzo as I had to drive and they make me sleepy.
Anyway, it reduced back to baseline after an hour or so and I was so relieved!
So sleep / lack of sleep / broken sleep definitely affects my tinnitus. I find this topic very interesting.
Also I take Remeron 7.5mg and Melatonin 2mg. I think the Melatonin helps the most.
 
@JasonP very interesting!
As a general rule, I try not to nap, as it's almost guaranteed that I will wake with loud tinnitus - this loud tinnitus is something I only experience after a nap or broken sleep. If my tinnitus was generally that loud during the day, it would be a whole different ball game.
The tinnitus also 'moves' to my ears, when I usually hear it in my head.
Same happens if my sleep is broken. Loud tinnitus. I am usually able to go back to sleep, but if my anxiety over the loud tinnitus is high, I have to use a benzo (Oxazepam). This usually lowers my tinnitus and has this effect overnight too if I can finish my sleep.
One morning I had to set my alarm to get up for 6am. I woke up with screaming ears, was so upset because I knew I had to get up.... didn't want to take a benzo as I had to drive and they make me sleepy.
Anyway, it reduced back to baseline after an hour or so and I was so relieved!
So sleep / lack of sleep / broken sleep definitely affects my tinnitus. I find this topic very interesting.
Also I take Remeron 7.5mg and Melatonin 2mg. I think the Melatonin helps the most.

I'm glad someone else finds this interesting. It has taken me a while to come up with this idea. Whether it is wrong or right I don't know, but perhaps parts of it could be a building block or give some ideas to others who could come up with something better. Remeron is supposed to increase slow wave sleep which you may have read. I embedded the image now and it is under the Antidepressant section above. :)

Bizarrely, Remeron was the only drug that gave me an absolutely weird sound and made it loud. It amplified a sound kind of like a winding sound. The closest sound effect I can find is this (ignore the woman's voice, I think that is there to prevent people from stealing the sound effect):

https://www.pond5.com/sound-effect/...pter-hand-trigger-toy-int-close-wind-var.html

Shortly after it stopped, it went away. Years later I got noise damage and that sound came back but way less volume. I never could figure out why it did that though and still don't. With other people, Remeron can help with T or do nothing.

What is unusual about my case is that overtime klonopin made my T increase. (Mostly increased static noise) However, it lowered it at first. However, I was taking a fairly low dose so it might not have effected my REM sleep as much as a larger dose. There is an app called sleep cycle for smartphones that is supposed to wake people up during a certain cycle of sleep. Not sure if it would help or hurt or how good it works.

I wonder if certain cycles of sleep would be helpful for some and for others, another cycle.
 

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Thanks for all the info and work you have done @JasonP.
I always find your posts very well thought out, researched and informative.

Hey Samantha, I updated the information, corrected some grammatical and organizatal errors and posted a couple more images so at least it is better now. :) I appreciate you saying good things though about it even if I had a few errors. :)
 
@JasonP
That's interesting what you say about the Remeron.
I think it may have helped my tinnitus initially, but 'pooped out' after a few weeks.
I've weaned myself down to a very minimal dose with plans to completely stop very soon.
I will see how I sleep just with the Melatonin.
The information you shared is very useful and relevant to me, thank you so much!
Also, and discovered a few months ago that I have sleep apnoea. It was quite bad - so thought maybe this was linked to my tinnitus... I got a night mouthguard and trialled CPAP. I had around 17 kgs of baby weight to lose, which also could be contributing to the sleep apnoea, though that extra weight didn't really make me obese or anything, so doctor wasn't convinced my weight was an issue.
I've lost 7kg, and plan on doing another sleep study when I lose the last 10kg.
Interesting that when i slept on my side, I hadn't no apnoea. I don't like sleeping on my side anymore as my ear being blocked by the pillow makes the tinnitus louder... can't win!
I also get woken at night by my 7 month old twins, so that can also play havoc with my sleep at the moment.
I'm going to have a good read again through your links and posts as I feel sleep plays a big role in my tinnitus.
 
It's a very interesting post, and I can only comment on myself

I find that if I take a power nap, 15-20 minutes it depends on how I lie! If I lie on my nerve damaged ear, I awake with screaming T well above base level, and it continues for a while after, often though not always, calming to my normal (loud) base level. I'll often awake in the night and it's quieter. I suspect a lot depends on the noise around me. I cannot mask, I just long for outside silence, which can calm it. I also think as I'm on beta blocker and warfarin, that has a LOT to answer to!

So,etimes I fight a nap, as I know I'll awake with raised tinnitus, and face numbness.
 
It's a very interesting post, and I can only comment on myself

I find that if I take a power nap, 15-20 minutes it depends on how I lie! If I lie on my nerve damaged ear, I awake with screaming T well above base level, and it continues for a while after, often though not always, calming to my normal (loud) base level. I'll often awake in the night and it's quieter. I suspect a lot depends on the noise around me. I cannot mask, I just long for outside silence, which can calm it. I also think as I'm on beta blocker and warfarin, that has a LOT to answer to!

So,etimes I fight a nap, as I know I'll awake with raised tinnitus, and face numbness.

I found this information where it says ""Beta-blockers have long been associated with sleep disturbances". It then goes on to show how some melatonin supplementation helped.

Source: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/09/120928085629.htm

You can read more about how beta blockers affect sleep cycles here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2865152

All this is very interesting. I had no idea for a long time how much different drugs and supplements can affect sleep and am still learning! I updated the original post to include beta-blockers now.
 
Thanks Jason, there is definitely some kind of links as to why sleep resets things. In my case, I'm on a very solid 1 day loud, 1 day medium, 1 day low-ish. And then the cycle resets regardless of how much sleep I've had or any supplements I have taken. This might have something to do with the circadian rhythm but I have no idea what. I wish I knew how to keep it on "low" without fluctuating.

Hey Cal18! :) Do you happen to take Klonopin in the same amount every day at the same time? What is the amount of Klonopin you take every day and at what times?
 
@JasonP I take .125 upon awakening (usually at 7:30am) then .125 at 3pm and .125 at 9pm.
T is at its lowest at around 10-11am, shoots up at 2pm, then back down around 6pm, then increases gradually before bed. On the loud days, after it shoots way up at 2pm, it never really goes back down then gets much louder at bedtime and stays that way all through the night.
 
@JasonP I take .125 upon awakening (usually at 7:30am) then .125 at 3pm and .125 at 9pm.
T is at its lowest at around 10-11am, shoots up at 2pm, then back down around 6pm, then increases gradually before bed. On the loud days, after it shoots way up at 2pm, it never really goes back down then gets much louder at bedtime and stays that way all through the night.

I could be wrong buy I wonder if it has to do with the type of sleep you are getting. I wonder if you are getting different types of sleep at night on different days. Look up "REM rebound" sleep and let me know what you think.

Oh, one other question. For how long do you sleep each night? And how often do you wake up before going back to sleep?

The sleep diary can be found on this thread if you think it might help: https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...-patterns-affect-tinnitus-and-or-moods.19431/
 
@Elinor , @Ed209 , @sjtingu , @Barry33 , - Hey guys, I saw you all respond to the thread about taking naps and tinnitus being louder. I was wondering what you think about this previous post I wrote at the top and tell me you think. I would love to know the exact mechanism too so any feedback would be great. :)
 
My T is on more of a weekly cycle than a daily cycle. Sleep is the trigger that makes it worse or better, but only after it has run through it's 'bad' or 'good' cycle. I wonder if their is anything similar to Circadian Rhythms, but with a longer time structure? Drinking large amounts of alcohol shuts down the T prior to any sleep.
 
My T is on more of a weekly cycle than a daily cycle. Sleep is the trigger that makes it worse or better, but only after it has run through it's 'bad' or 'good' cycle. I wonder if their is anything similar to Circadian Rhythms, but with a longer time structure? Drinking large amounts of alcohol shuts down the T prior to any sleep.

This may be "out there" but is it possible that the weekend messes up your circadian rhythm? For example, does the "bad week" always start on Saturday, Sunday, or Monday? Are you going to bed at the same time each night of the week or is it different on weekends?
 
@JasonP
That's interesting what you say about the Remeron.
I think it may have helped my tinnitus initially, but 'pooped out' after a few weeks.
I've weaned myself down to a very minimal dose with plans to completely stop very soon.
I will see how I sleep just with the Melatonin.
The information you shared is very useful and relevant to me, thank you so much!
Also, and discovered a few months ago that I have sleep apnoea. It was quite bad - so thought maybe this was linked to my tinnitus... I got a night mouthguard and trialled CPAP. I had around 17 kgs of baby weight to lose, which also could be contributing to the sleep apnoea, though that extra weight didn't really make me obese or anything, so doctor wasn't convinced my weight was an issue.
I've lost 7kg, and plan on doing another sleep study when I lose the last 10kg.
Interesting that when i slept on my side, I hadn't no apnoea. I don't like sleeping on my side anymore as my ear being blocked by the pillow makes the tinnitus louder... can't win!
I also get woken at night by my 7 month old twins, so that can also play havoc with my sleep at the moment.
I'm going to have a good read again through your links and posts as I feel sleep plays a big role in my tinnitus.
It's a very interesting post, and I can only comment on myself

I find that if I take a power nap, 15-20 minutes it depends on how I lie! If I lie on my nerve damaged ear, I awake with screaming T well above base level, and it continues for a while after, often though not always, calming to my normal (loud) base level. I'll often awake in the night and it's quieter. I suspect a lot depends on the noise around me. I cannot mask, I just long for outside silence, which can calm it. I also think as I'm on beta blocker and warfarin, that has a LOT to answer to!

So,etimes I fight a nap, as I know I'll awake with raised tinnitus, and face numbness.
My T is on more of a weekly cycle than a daily cycle. Sleep is the trigger that makes it worse or better, but only after it has run through it's 'bad' or 'good' cycle. I wonder if their is anything similar to Circadian Rhythms, but with a longer time structure? Drinking large amounts of alcohol shuts down the T prior to any sleep.
Since originally posting, I found something I did NOT know before but probably should have. There is a master body clock but also many, many, different peripheral clocks that the body has. It turns out the separate peripheral clocks can get out of sync with the main body clock. Perhaps if the body clocks and peripheral clocks could be synced together correctly, going to sleep every night could wake up with low tinnitus. What do you all think? Here is some graphics from Wikimedia on it:

Example, in the image below, the thyroid has it's own clock, the adrenal has it's own clock, the heart has it's own clock, etc.

The_master_circadian_clock_in_the_human_brain.jpg

668px-Central_and_peripheral_circadian_rhythms.jpg
 
Very very interesting. I think I'll keep a journal to compare. I start rest every night at 9:30/10. Clonazepam helped lower my tinnitus so much at first, I assumed it was the one thing I could grab to lower it. But now, let's face it, it helps me sleep, and I have screaming ears in the morning. I never thought that it could possibly contribute to the noise. Alcohol increases my tinnitus, from the moment I start until 2 days later. Lol and I enjoy drinking. I take melatonin and a small dose of baclofen every night to sleep too. I think baclofen aggravates tinnitus despite what studies show, but I've taken it long before I developed tinnitus.

Anyway, I'm going to reread your post @JasonP and keep a sleep / volume / medication journal. Since my sleep pattern is very predictable at this point, I'll know changes based on behavior. Thanks for your research and theory, even if it brings the noise down a notch or two, that would be awesome!(y)

BTW I take .75mg at 6am and .75mg at 9pm. Strictly everyday. I wake up several times throughout the night but fall right back to sleep. Final alarm goes off at 7:00... I wake kids up for school at 6 and pass back out hoping the 6am Clonazepam will soothe the ears by 7.

I thought maybe lying down caused the ringing because more blood was going to my brain during sleep time. That would be true for a nap as well.
 
Very very interesting. I think I'll keep a journal to compare. I start rest every night at 9:30/10. Clonazepam helped lower my tinnitus so much at first, I assumed it was the one thing I could grab to lower it. But now, let's face it, it helps me sleep, and I have screaming ears in the morning. I never thought that it could possibly contribute to the noise. Alcohol increases my tinnitus, from the moment I start until 2 days later. Lol and I enjoy drinking. I take melatonin and a small dose of baclofen every night to sleep too. I think baclofen aggravates tinnitus despite what studies show, but I've taken it long before I developed tinnitus.

Anyway, I'm going to reread your post @JasonP and keep a sleep / volume / medication journal. Since my sleep pattern is very predictable at this point, I'll know changes based on behavior. Thanks for your research and theory, even if it brings the noise down a notch or two, that would be awesome!(y)

BTW I take .75mg at 6am and .75mg at 9pm. Strictly everyday. I wake up several times throughout the night but fall right back to sleep. Final alarm goes off at 7:00... I wake kids up for school at 6 and pass back out hoping the 6am Clonazepam will soothe the ears by 7.

I thought maybe lying down caused the ringing because more blood was going to my brain during sleep time. That would be true for a nap as well.

You are very welcome. I hope some of the information is helpful. :) A quick question: Did you mean you take melatonin at 6 p.m. instead of 6 a.m.? I have never heard of people taking it one hour before they get up. If it is 6 a.m. that is very interesting.
 
Very very interesting. I think I'll keep a journal to compare. I start rest every night at 9:30/10. Clonazepam helped lower my tinnitus so much at first, I assumed it was the one thing I could grab to lower it. But now, let's face it, it helps me sleep, and I have screaming ears in the morning. I never thought that it could possibly contribute to the noise. Alcohol increases my tinnitus, from the moment I start until 2 days later. Lol and I enjoy drinking. I take melatonin and a small dose of baclofen every night to sleep too. I think baclofen aggravates tinnitus despite what studies show, but I've taken it long before I developed tinnitus.

Anyway, I'm going to reread your post @JasonP and keep a sleep / volume / medication journal. Since my sleep pattern is very predictable at this point, I'll know changes based on behavior. Thanks for your research and theory, even if it brings the noise down a notch or two, that would be awesome!(y)

BTW I take .75mg at 6am and .75mg at 9pm. Strictly everyday. I wake up several times throughout the night but fall right back to sleep. Final alarm goes off at 7:00... I wake kids up for school at 6 and pass back out hoping the 6am Clonazepam will soothe the ears by 7.

I thought maybe lying down caused the ringing because more blood was going to my brain during sleep time. That would be true for a nap as well.

Here is my guess:

Here's what happened to me: Taking melatonin with klonopin and going to sleep can allow me to wake up with lower tinnitus if I get up early enough...if I keep waking up and going back to sleep and waking up etc...the effect is gone.

However, after doing that for some time, I think that it has messed up my sleep architecture. Now I am trying to get to sleep without klonopin and it's been hard to stay asleep for long periods of time. In addition, I think that during withdrawal, the glutamate system ramped up (check out benzodiazepine withdrawal on wikipedia) and I got static tinnitus from it. Fortunately, glutamate the drug Lamictal took it away some but Lamictal was very strong on me....I had to take the smallest dose possible.

My suggestion would be not to take klonopin at night on a long term basis. Please be careful with benzos...I have learned a lot since my first post.
 
Here is my guess:

Here's what happened to me: Taking melatonin with klonopin and going to sleep can allow me to wake up with lower tinnitus if I get up early enough...if I keep waking up and going back to sleep and waking up etc...the effect is gone.
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I get flavored melatonin that melt in my mouth. What I do is put a 1/2 tab under my tongue during my final moments of adjusting for sleep. If I wake up at two or three, the tabs are breakable, so I stick a small part under my tongue to focus on. I couldn't live without sleep phones. Its like a headband, I play rain pooring for sound and have a fan for vibration. Sometimes I add a cold washcloth to my eyes. I find that the most stimulation on my senses keeps me from focusing on my ears. I practice guided meditation a few times a week so in the wee hours I know how to relax panic.
 
My suggestion would be not to take klonopin at night on a long term basis. Please be careful with benzos...I have learned a lot since my first post.
The benzo thing stinks... But in the very beginning it took my tinnitus from a 12 to a 3. From insanity to... I'm ok.
I was above a 10 noise level.
Do you know about Baclofen? Some studies suggest to people it could lower tinnitus, but for me, that could've been the very cause of it. As I lower my dose, my tinnitus lowers. But any lower of a dose than 20 mg and I can't sleep.
Same with Clonazepam, I should slowly reduce my morning intake first. I take .75 mg at night and .5 at 5 am so I can sleep my last hour or two... It's psychological like the small drops of Melatonin.

Years ago my doc put me on Clonazepam for anxiety. It was awful to get off of. I was screaming at the air and balling in the shower. I would've gone to the hospital but my husband kept me patient. I had quit cold turkey. I swore never to touch the drug again until 6 weeks of Tinnitus and I read that it helps some significantly. I got a hold of it and within 24 hrs my multi toned dual ear tinnitus, stopped... Well a 3 felt like it stopped. I am stuck at a 4 now, and afraid to stop Clonazepam. I cut down from my prescription so much now that I have a reserve handy in case I stop and the T goes through the roof. Habituation has occurred and lasts all day everyday.
 
Yay! I'm off the Baclofen completely, for over a week now. I'm sleeping fine/normal. Didn't suffer anxiety. And the tinnitus is much less bothersome at night!
I can't believe how long it took me to make the connection because I had read online it may reduce tinnitus quite a while ago... And bc many people would say it caused anxiety and insomnia when stopped. I weaned down pretty quickly and didn't notice any unpleasant side effects.

Lol. I totally realize looking back it was the fear of quitting that kept me awake. Once I KNEW it was creating a louder pitch I was thrilled to stop and found I slept even better. I'm back to low white noise instead of cozyphone playing binaural beats all night.
 

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