The Good, The Bad and The Ugly

[Michael Leigh]

I find it it sad you had to make this really long post as an attempt to get threefirefour and I removed from this community just because we hold a different view on habituation.

@Contrast

Just for the record Contrast. When I wrote my post: The Good the Bad and the Ugly, it wasn't directed at you or @threefirefour because I don't think you both were members of this forum then. People that I was refering to as "undesirables" know who they are and therefore don't need to mention names. A person is entitled to their opinion and if they disagree with anything that I have to say that is fine. What I find difficult to accept, is when a person is disrespectful towards me in a variety of ways, using abusive and profane language when it's totally unnecessary. This shows more about them and the way they have been brought up in my opinion.

If it helps. I do not regard you or Threefirefour as undesirables at this moment. Perhaps argumentative and times confrontational but I don't see this as a problem.

Michael

 

[Jazzer]

Perhaps because we aren't blindly advocating limbic system desensitization, and self hypnotizing ourselves into feeling better.

Advocating deep relaxation, meditation, breathing techniques and other very good coping methods is far from acting blindly.
We all need to cope.
When I started writing on this site, and recommended these methods, which can be life savers, by the way, I was accused of
"still writing those low quality posts I see - well they never gain much traction, do they...?"

While hoping, longing, for a treatment and a cure, I always try to help members to feel a little easier and cope a little better with this wretched thing.
There is no dichotomy there.

However, as you guys choose to totally disregard, or even ridicule, all coping strategies, I'll leave you to your 'horizon watching.'

 

[Rajin]

People that I was refering to as "undesirables" know who they are and therefore don't need to mention names

To just call anyone here undesirables is kind of not nice anyway. This condition can make ppl used fouls language. But it shouldn't be directed at you. But at the frustration of dealing with this monster.

 

[Michael Leigh]

fouls language. But it shouldn't be directed at you. But at the frustration of dealing with this monster.

In my opinion there is no need to use foul and abusive language especially in writing. Using the term undesirable to describe the obnoxious behaviour of some people may cause offence but it is not a sin. My advice to such people is to refrain from using bad language. Tinnitus can be severe for mine is, but I believe it's no excuse for such behaviour.

Michael

 

[Rajin]

Correct we shouldn't. But doesn't mean they are undesirables ,because someone uses foul language to express their frustration toward Tinnitus. Michael I know you a veteran at this , respect that . I only have this 7 months trying my best to cope. But it can sometimes make you lash out . No one is perfect .

 

[Jcb]

In my opinion there is no need to use foul and abusive language especially in writing. Using the term undesirable to describe the obnoxious behaviour of some people may cause offence but it is not a sin. My advice is to such people is to refrain from using bad language. Tinnitus can be severe for mine is, but I believe it's no excuse for such behaviour.

Michael

While I don't always agree with using curse words (I restrain myself a lot on here) there is always a time and a place to use it. People can use "curse words" as a release of anger, anxiety and there's been a few studies where it can actually be therapeutic. You combine stress, depression and T in the mix I honestly don't see the harm as it's a good stress release for some people for a wide variety of purposes ( I'm not saying it's good to use them every other word especially as there will some teenagers using this site) I personally don't like the word "undesirable" as to me that's a obnoxious word, but that's just my opinion and we all them.

 

[Michael Leigh]

While I don't always agree with using curse words (I restrain myself a lot on here) there is always a time and a place to use it. People can use "curse words" as a release of anger, anxiety and there's been a few studies where it can actually be therapeutic. You combine stress, depression and T in the mix I honestly don't see the harm as it's a good stress release for some people for a wide variety of purposes ( I'm not saying it's good to use them every other word especially as there will some teenagers using this site) I personally don't like the word "undesirable" as to me that's a obnoxious word, but that's just my opinion and we all them.

You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.
I will not be commenting further on this particular subject.

Michael

 

[Contrast]

Here's a good western imo

love the plot twist with Pinhead Larry

 

[Jcb]

You are entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.
I will not be commenting further on this particular subject.

Michael

Wow, ok Micheal. That's a bit disappointing, thought you where a bit more mature than this.

 

[Michael Leigh]

Wow, ok Micheal. That's a bit disappointing, thought you where a bit more mature than this.

Indeed, I am mature but you are seeking an argument or to debate this subject at length where as I am not. There is nothing for me to defend for I've made views quite clear in my post above.

Goodbye and I wish you well.
Michael

 

[Jcb]

Indeed, I am mature but you are seeking an argument or to debate this subject at length where as I am not. There is nothing for me to defend for I've made views quite clear in my post above.

Goodbye and I wish you well.
Michael

I'm not at all, I don't come on here to argue in the slightest. I had an opinion on something that differs from yours, I wasn't look for a lengthy debate haha. It's a shame really, you'll make a comment and as soon as somebody has a different opinion to yours, you shut them down, either call them rude or leave the conversation.

Have a nice day Micheal.

 

[jay777]

A person is entitled to their opinion and if they disagree with anything that I have to say that is fine.

practice what you preach

 

[Tinker Bell]

Wow, ok Micheal. That's a bit disappointing, thought you where a bit more mature than this.

Welcome to the undesirable club. I have not seen members directing profanity-laced tirades at him, but we do regularly see him call members rude if they disagree or question his opinion.

Actually I find "undesirables" a rather uncouth word to use on a support forum. Tinnitus should be undesirable, not the people suffering from tinnitus.

 

[Jcb]

Welcome to the undesirable club. I have not seen members directing profanity-laced tirades at him, but we do regularly see him call members rude if they disagree or question his opinion.

Actually I find "undesirables" a rather uncouth word to use on a support forum. Tinnitus should be undesirable, not the people suffering from tinnitus.

Haha yup I've made it.

I couldn't agree more, that word is so inappropriate and obnoxious. I applaud anybody who takes time out to help anybody, which Micheal does (even though I have reservations about him doing purely just to be kind, he likes the acclaim that comes with it) and I'm sure he has helped a lot of people, myself included when I first joined TT, I've only been on here for a few months and I've never seen anybody throw a tirade of profanities at him.

The issue I have is that, anybody that dares to disagree with him, or have different thoughts are negative people, or rude which shows a lack of substance on his part. I'm aware some people do antagonise him on purpose which is not the right way to go about things. He just comes across so obnoxious and patronising at times which I can't abide in anybody. I'm suppose this thread will be locked now or my comments will be deleted, I mean no harm, I'm just calling things as I see them personally.

 

[jay777]

looks like I am in the club.

 

[Michael Leigh]

Micheal does (even though I have reservations about him doing purely just to be kind, he likes the acclaim that comes with it

As this is a different subject I will comment. The acclaim as you put it is nice, but only to know I have helped someone, as I was once help many years ago when I first got tinnitus in a forum like this one. I also counsel people by telephone those that choose to contact me. I am not seeking praise. I know how debilitating tinnitus can be when it is severe and this is reason I do what I do. However, I will admit there is another reason I help people with tinnitus and it has nothing to do with ego. Since you and others on this thread are so adept at knowing how I think, I will be most intrigued if any of you can find the answer.

All the best
Michael

 

[Jcb]

As this is a different subject I will comment. The acclaim as you put it is nice, but only to know I have helped someone, as I was once help many years ago when I first got tinnitus in a forum like this one. I also counsel people by telephone those that choose to contact me. I am not seeking praise. I know how debilitating tinnitus can be when it is severe and this is reason I do what I do. However, I will admit there is another reason I help people with tinnitus and it has nothing to do with ego. Since you and others on this thread are so adept at knowing how I think, I will be most intrigued if any of you can find the answer.

All the best
Michael

How nice of you Micheal, to comment.

As I said previously, I admire anybody who takes time out to help anybody. As far you mentioning "ego" from what I've read of the posts/replies you make, I see you as somebody who is kind, helpful but also somebody who, shall we say revels in the praise to a certain point. I'm not psychic unfortunately, so I can't say what other agenda you have, I can only go on what I've read from you in posts and to me, you're very self righteous and like the acclaim. That's the way I see it.
Again no offence meant, just my take on it.

 

[Tinker Bell]

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looks like I am in the club.

You're in good company, it's a growing club. They hold monthly meetings at a very quiet bar where no one makes any noise and only speaks in whispered profanity.

 

[Michael Leigh]

How nice of you Micheal, to comment.

That's the way I see it.
Again no offence meant, just my take on it.

I try to help whenever possible. Your second comment I take no offence as you are entitled to your opinion, but I assure you, that is not the other reason I help people with tinnitus.

Michael

 

[Jcb]

I try to help whenever possible. Your second comment I take no offence as you are entitled to your opinion, but I assure that is not the other reason I help people with tinnitus.

Michael

I'm sure it's not entirely, but as I just said, that's the way you can come across. You can be so dismissive and self righteous at times and god forbid anybody disagrees with you. I know you have helped people, which is genuinely amazing I truly mean that, but part of me thinks it adds to your own ego (which a good few people have inflated egos on here) and own opinion of "god of tinnitus"

 

[Michael Leigh]

I'm sure it's not entirely, but as I just said, that's the way you can come across. You can be so dismissive and self righteous at times and god forbid anybody disagrees with you. I know you have helped people, which is genuinely amazing I truly mean that, but part of me thinks it adds to your own ego (which a good few people have inflated egos on here) and own opinion of "god of tinnitus"

Your post has made me smile and if that's how I am perceived by some then so be it. People have contacted and said the opposite. One cannot please everyone.

I wish you well
Michael

 

[Jcb]

Your post has made me smile and if that's how I am perceived by some then so be it. People have contacted and said the opposite. One cannot please everyone.

I wish you well
Michael

I'm sure you do, I stand by all what I said... The Good, The Bad and The Ugly I won't say anything else as somebody will complain about me again.

Enjoy your day Micheal.

 

[Michael Leigh]

I'm sure you do, I stand by all what I said... The Good, The Bad and The Ugly I won't say anything else as somebody will complain about me again.

Enjoy your day Micheal.

I've been basking in the sun by the sea in Brighton.
All the best Jcb.

 

[emmalee]

I've been basking in the sun by the sea in Brighton.
All the best Jcb.

@Michael Leigh

Michael, I would love to be basking by the sea in Brighton. Enjoy!

I just wanted to step in here for a quick minute to say that you and your views are very much appreciated on this forum by many of us.

~emma

 

[Michael Leigh]

Michael, I would love to be basking by the sea in Brighton. Enjoy!

I am sure we would have lots to talk about @emmalee . It's been hot today a real scorcher and tomorrow will be the same. I used to come here as a tourist until 4 years ago but now a resident and liking it quite a lot.
Take care
Michael