The Negativity Thread

[Sebastians]

All I can say is that tinnitus makes me think that the evil in the universe is so big as the darkness of the universe itself, the good has reduced size such as the light that have the universe.

Indeed, it is literally all you say, in every post, again and again. We get the message by now

 

[Hux]

Indeed, it is literally all you say, in every post, again and again. We get the message by now

Yes, really it seems repetitive but is new , however the words most repeated in this forum are the acceptance , habituation, optimism , sedatives , etc , etc. At least, my topic is something different . And I not bring anything new, repeating what you already know of memory.

 

[Sebastians]

Yes, really it seems repetitive but is new , however the words most repeated in this forum are the acceptance , habituation, optimism , sedatives , etc , etc. At least, my topic is something different . And I not bring anything new, repeating what you already know of memory.

It's just getting really annoying dude

 

[Hux]

It's just getting really annoying dude

I do not know, what do you mean, you need to explain things better . I put this only thread, no more. addition, in this forum I have not nothing more comments out this thread . The other participants have many comments, I have few and only in my thread.

But, basically what my thread tries to express is that tinnitus is a dead end, no exit, no out, for those who suffer . That more investment is required for this abandoned disease and which the sick suffers more when see that very few people have the disease.

 

[linearb]

Yes, really it seems repetitive but is new , however the words most repeated in this forum are the acceptance , habituation, optimism , sedatives , etc , etc. At least, my topic is something different . And I not bring anything new, repeating what you already know of memory.

Different isn't necessarily good, Arby's commercials aside.

The reason that acceptance and habitation come up so much, is that whether or not they work for you, they are strategies that many people have used to improve their happiness and quality of life. I've never met anyone who has used "reveling in self-centered misery and negativity" as a path to a happier life. Good luck!

 

[Hux]

Different isn't necessarily good, Arby's commercials aside.

The reason that acceptance and habitation come up so much, is that whether or not they work for you, they are strategies that many people have used to improve their happiness and quality of life. I've never met anyone who has used "reveling in self-centered misery and negativity" as a path to a happier life. Good luck!

If it is obvious that there must be some positivity to keep us alive, if were only negativity we would not be living now, What I want you to understand is that no one chooses to be negative , that is only caused by tinnitus , just as when we are prick with a pin, feel pain .

Aceptance and habituaction are just false cures, that are hurting us, because the pharmaceuticals companies not be interested in a disease that acceptance and habituation make it look unimportant, or as two medicaments that exist now to tinnitus, then they assume that it is not necessary to discover other medicines, being as they suppose that there are already two medicines : the acceptance and habituation

 

[linearb]

If it is obvious that there must be some positivity to keep us alive, if were only negativity we would not be living now, What I want you to understand is that no one chooses to be negative , that is only caused by tinnitus , just as when we are prick with a pin, feel pain .

you are making a choice to dwell on and interact with the negativity you feel. you made this thread!

Aceptance and habituaction are just false cures, that are hurting us, because the pharmaceuticals companies not be interested in a disease that acceptance and habituation it look unimportant, or as two medicaments that exist now to tinnitus

this is nonsense, and repeating it doesn't make it less nonsense. There are numerous pharma and non pharma research endeavors under way, and everyone involved in this work knows it will be a tremendous money maker if it ever materializes.

 

[Hux]

you are making a choice to dwell on and interact with the negativity you feel. you made this thread!

I will summarize , tinnitus is an no exit worse than Chinese torture , and will be for a long time. Chinese torture was a drop of water falling on the head permanently , tinnitus is a noise that be hear in the head permanently.


Noise is also a known weapon of torture in the war.

 

[Hux]

Death is a normal and essential part of life, so to believe it's "bad" you have to believe that on some level life is fundamentally "bad". This seems like a silly belief structure to me, because it would increase suffering and decrease pleasure in life.

Of a life that compels one to take our own life for not to suffer more with cancer or tinnitus, can not be expected that to have us something good booked in death not even peace, because it shows that life is very cruel and capable of anything.

 

[linearb]

that's just, like, your opinion, man.

 

[linearb]

counterpoint: I've known several people now who have told me they believe their tinnitus is holy, in one case saying "it's the sound God gives me so i never have to be alone". I think that's pretty unlikely to be the truth, but, these people are functional, happy and engaged with their lives. So, what's better, living that way, or taking a more evidence-based view, and also being miserable?

The world is, largely, what you make of it... even if you have shitty unfixable medical problems.

 

[GregCA]

I think that's pretty unlikely to be the truth, but, these people are functional, happy and engaged with their lives.

That may be true, but their T may not be severe, intrusive and/or painful. I can see how a mild T can be interpreted as "a friend", especially if one believes in supernatural things, but if it feels like an aggression 24/7, I doubt you're going to think it's friendly. Either that, or you have "unusual friends".

 

[Oli]

How can you convice yourself of something irrational?
Like religion.. it just stop progress and control the masses
I mean you dont need religion to have good principles/etc

 

[linearb]

How can you convice yourself of something irrational?

I'm not sure, but most people seem to manage just fine!

 

[Oli]

@linearb
It will always be a mystery for me
Even if I understand that it will be better for me to trust something that give me false hope like homeopathy or religion, the placebo effect never hits me. My mind just accept the truth.
It must be why im so cynic ahah
Anyway ignorance is bliss i guess but my curiosity is more dominant than anything else
I think that culture and socio-acceptance play a major role in this
Its not because you are the minority in your surrounding that you are wrong about something
Sorry english is my second langage

 

[Hux]

counterpoint: I've known several people now who have told me they believe their tinnitus is holy, in one case saying "it's the sound God gives me so i never have to be alone". I think that's pretty unlikely to be the truth, but, these people are functional, happy and engaged with their lives. So, what's better, living that way, or taking a more evidence-based view, and also being miserable?

The world is, largely, what you make of it... even if you have shitty unfixable medical problems.

I'm not sure, but most people seem to manage just fine!

you're right in something things, because throughout the forum and internet there is nothing that can help reduce tinnitus and less to cure it. Drugs in experimentation, AM101 , AM102 , AM111 and AUT00063 among others, are very similar to placebo, then people simply must resign or find something to justify their suffering, to make it more bearable, so as says the book: man's searching for meaning..

 

[Philip]

I think being negative has a perverse pleasure for many.

I have been a member here for a long time.

I only pop in the odd time. A lot over the last few days though.

I actually find my tinnitus increases even making posts on this website.

Well my perception of it certainly increases.

How badly many people are adapting to this disease helps put my own condition into perspective.

I realize I am very lucky to have tinnitus that is not roaringly louder than a noisy room. So my days are not consumed by it.

But I tuned out over the years. I used to hear it all day and note the change in tone and volume.

That's not healthy.

Stay busy.

 

[Hux]

Do not let forgotten this thread, continue participating in it. For me is more important than the thread positivity.

The negativity will show to the world that although this is the worst disease of all , it is also the worst attended by all governments . While highest is the negativity perceived, higher priority will be given to investment and research on this disease.

Negativity: He who doesn't cry doesn't suck , let's show to the world that tinnitus is the worse wrong in that anyone can fall.

 

[Sebastians]

 

[linearb]

Do not let forgotten this thread, continue participating in it. For me is more important than the thread positivity.

The negativity will show to the world that although this is the worst disease of all , it is also the worst attended by all governments . While highest is the negativity perceived, higher priority will be given to investment and research on this disease.

it seems like you're either borderline schizo or on some really good drugs. If the latter, can you share?

 

[Sam Bridge]

He is freaking crazeh for sure.

 

[Hux]

No , I only treat that governments be interested in finding a cure or medicine for those who really suffer with this disease or have it catastrophic.

Negativity: He who doesn't cry doesn't suck , let's show to the world that tinnitus is the worse wrong in that anyone can fall.

 

[Sebastians]

Lol governments are interested in your tax money, not your health

 

[BobDigi]

1. Accept a mangled life, deprived of peace until you die, living in a limbo, drained of hope. We can apply for disability and rot away searching for treatments, or exhaust ourselves trying to follow your previous dreams, all while being tortured relentlessly.

2. Die.

I'm afraid you'll probably never habituated. It almost sounds like you don't want too. I definitely brainwashed myself. You almost use the phase as an insult. But I've brainwashed myself, and because of this I can enjoy reading a book, riding a bike or taking a walk because I brainwashed myself. And trust me my tinnitus is high pitched and as loud as a train.

 

[linearb]

I'm afraid you'll probably never habituated. It almost sounds like you don't want too. I definitely brainwashed myself. You almost use the phase as an insult. But I've brainwashed myself, and because of this I can enjoy reading a book, riding a bike or taking a walk because I brainwashed myself. And trust me my tinnitus is high pitched and as loud as a train.

People toss around "brainwashed" like it's bad and unusual, but in fact pretty much everyone in the world has a whole laundry list of things they believe which probably aren't rational, let alone true. (That is, there are a lot of perfectly rational thoughts which turn out to be untrue).

It's really easy to get stuck in a toxic antagonistic relationship with this stuff but at the end of the day you're only hurting yourself. Tinnitus isn't some malevolent discorporate thing, it's just a glitchy and painful normal part of life.

 

[Vaba]

I'm afraid you'll probably never habituated. It almost sounds like you don't want too. I definitely brainwashed myself. You almost use the phase as an insult. But I've brainwashed myself, and because of this I can enjoy reading a book, riding a bike or taking a walk because I brainwashed myself. And trust me my tinnitus is high pitched and as loud as a train.

I'm glad that you have the ability to do that. Before continuing, I want you to know that I do not use the verb "brainwash" as an insult. I use it because, like @linearb said, it is just a word that gets my point across. Everyone out there believes some things that may be untrue, or brainwash themselves into altering their perception of reality, making it easier to deal with. I will use religion as an example as to why I cannot brainwash myself into doing anything at all.

The problem with me is that I cannot experience the world in any manner other than how it is, objectively. I can't alter my perception of the world through thought - I never really had an imagination (but this doesn't mean I'm boring.) I'm physically incapable of fooling myself into doing or believing anything blindly. I'm a purely objective person - my parents tell me that, basically from birth, I was a VERY stubborn, quiet, introspective, and rational kid. I spent a lot of time in silence by myself, reading. If I found something to be untrue, I would remove it from my life instantly. For instance, I went to a Catholic school as a kid and attended Sunday School for years. Some 90% of the people I know from that period of my life were eventually confirmed as members of the church. I never cared for their beliefs, even as a young child. I was able to recognize it as baseless dogma RIGHT out of the gate. However, I always look at the other side of the story before making a decision.

I'm a compulsive researcher. It took me 5 minutes on Google one Saturday night to quickly and resolutely renounce what little faith I had - which shocked my father terribly. I violently refused to be confirmed into the Catholic faith out of the blue - suffering punishment after punishment - but I didn't care, because I refused to let him believe I had been brainwashed into believing that a book written by various human beings thousands of years ago detailing how an invisible man in the sky watches everything you do and will reward you for being a "good boy" is true, without proof. I did not want to have my name in the books of the church - to be labeled as another member of their dogmatic legion. I'm agnostic now, I just await proof that religion has a factual basis. If someone gives me God's phone number, I will immediately make my way to the nearest church.

Conversely, I always notice when there is a problem. As a faithless individual (faith (noun) - "complete trust or confidence in someone or something."), I can never turn a blind eye to any aspect of reality - especially the uglier parts of life, and especially when someone else tells me to try to ignore or accept something. My modus operandi gives people a reason to believe that I am "anxious" (anxiety is a normal and common human emotion, mind you) despite the fact that I never exhibit any signs of an anxiety disorder. My pulse won't even increase when I'm in danger or injured. The only time in my life that I had a panic attack was when I was locked in a mental asylum like a caged animal, hopped up on drugs against my will, and unable to leave of my own volition. Despite the fact that I am in agony every day, it never drives me to panic - it drives me to think. I think only about how I can make my body healthier - because my body is the source of the problem, not my mind. No matter how I "feel" or "think" about my tinnitus, it will remain exactly as bad as it is without some sort of real treatment.

I hope this exposition details my personality and belief systems well enough to warrant you kind folks understanding my thought process.

I was an intensely inwardly-focused, driven individual. There was no problem I couldn't solve. I never missed any little detail at all, no matter what I was doing. I could be watching a TV show, and the first thing I'd notice was the weird facial expression of some support character off in the background, rather than the actual dialogue. My brain is anatomically hardwired to notice any and all of the little details of life - my father is much like me. This behavior is a genetic trait. My few friends often compare my manner of thinking to that of Dwight Schrute, from The Office. Just the other day, my friend said that I was the most jaded person he had ever met. It's very easy to be constantly bored and fearless in the face of danger when you intimately know what true pain is.

I have an immutable set of beliefs, personality traits, and desires. It should be easy to see that, being mentally wired as I am, there is no way to accommodate for tinnitus.

 

[Sebastians]

I have an immutable set of beliefs, personality traits, and desires. It should be easy to see that, being mentally wired as I am, there is no way to accommodate for tinnitus.

All true art is borne of suffering, maybe your life's work lies therein. Try and find that purpose here, at least, before you try to seek it in the next life. You have a great way with words, perhaps there is a clue..

 

[Vaba]

All true art is borne of suffering, maybe your life's work lies therein. Try and find that purpose here, at least, before you try to seek it in the next life. You have a great way with words, perhaps there is a clue..

I just wish I was dumb enough to be happy rather than smart enough to be sad.

This post and the accompanying quote come to mind:

counterpoint: I've known several people now who have told me they believe their tinnitus is holy, in one case saying "it's the sound God gives me so i never have to be alone". I think that's pretty unlikely to be the truth, but, these people are functional, happy and engaged with their lives. So, what's better, living that way, or taking a more evidence-based view, and also being miserable?

The world is, largely, what you make of it... even if you have shitty unfixable medical problems.

"Religion is the opiate of the masses." -Karl Marx

 

[Vaba]

Additionally, I would like to clarify that despite the negativity that I am posting here in The Negativity Thread, I am not attacking any individual member - EVEN IF I RESPOND NEGATIVELY TO YOU. I mean, the name of the thread is "The Negativity Thread." I wouldn't post this drivel anywhere else. So if I respond to you with negativity, do not interpret it as a personal attack - I'm just following the theme of the thread, venting my negative thoughts. I believe this thread is NECESSARY. We're all in this together! I appreciate your company!

 

[Philip]

Vaba how long do you have tinnitus by the way?

Some classic posts on this tread man.

I would use your posts a an example of what people shouldn't do while dealing with tinnitus haha!lol.

Habituating is the only option though...simple as man.

It's the negativity thread so lets get negative.

All the current tinnitus drugs under research look like bullshit....And they still won't be out for at least 5 years.

If if IF they discover the philosopher's stone of tinnitus it'll be decade before you can get it prescribed.

So it's TINA baby!There Is No Alternative!

Habituating is the only option other than being a benzo addict.

You need a very strong experience to rearrange you perception of reality. To get you out of the rut you're in.

A breakthrough is needed. I would recommend a small dose of psilocybin mushrooms and a few Bod Dylan albums.

Yes you may freak out even more but there is also a good chance you may get some perspective on your disease.

I talked to a guy once, through another forum, who got T from antibiotics when he was 45 or something.

He went mental with drink, drugs and aggression. He wife divorced him, took the kids away. Friends slowly started to trickle away.

By the time he was 55 he was a lonely old depressed guy with agonizing arthritis.

At that stage he never even noticed his T because the arthritis caused him such pain.

However he did notice that he no longer had his wife,kids and friends.

Things can always get worse man. And being a black hole is not going to win you any friends or sympathy in the real world.

Tinnitus is sadly very misunderstood by the general public.