The Underlying Cause — The Circulatory System?

[NcName]

Hello everyone. It's been a few months since I've been here. I hope everyone is staying strong and positive. One day, there will be a cure, I'm sure of it.

Now to my point. I've mentioned this before but seem to get relatively little to no feedback or encouragement regarding my theory that Tinnitus has everything to do with our circulatory system.

Obviously this is an educated guess but after all my research I'm fairly confident in my sentiments.

I'm asking for your cooperation with a little survey to dig a little deeper into my suspicions.

If you have knowledge of your blood type, would you please share it in this thread. That simple.

I realize the type itself may not have ANYTHING to do with how or why our circulatory system may operates, however any information leading to a cure would be substantial.

Thank you guys for your anticipated participation.

 

[Contrast]

The most common cause of tinnitus is any form of hearing loss, then neck jaw problems then damage or a tumor that is insulting the audiotory brain itself.

Hearing loss
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4208401/

Neck Jaw Problems/TMD
https://www.tinnitus.org.uk/tinnitus-and-tmj
https://www.dizziness-and-balance.com/disorders/hearing/tinnitus/cervical tinnitus.html

Head trauma
https://journals.lww.com/headtraumarehab/Abstract/2014/09000/Trauma_Associated_Tinnitus.6.aspx

Once again these issues may all over lap with hearing loss or modulation of audiotory brain.

I do not believe stress itself can cause tinnitus as of yet or that tinnitus is random, most explanations for tinnitus always falls into these categories.

 

[Contrast]

When you mention the circulatory system you must be referring to pusatile tinnitus, as it shares nothing in common with the tinnitus that originates in the auditory brain.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Contrast Circulation shares a lot with tinnitus including somatic interactions, not just pulsatile. If T is less in the morning and/or increases and decreases throughout the day then circulation may be involved.

The jugular vein -- compression pressure on nerves and blood vessels at the top of the thoracic cavity. Compression of brachial, plexus, subclavian artery/vein and the costoclavicular junction. The scalene muscle complex and other muscles in the neck that react to forward neck and shoulder movement. All can relate to T.

Thoracic Outlook Syndrome per forward shoulder posture diminishes artery, venous and lymphatic circulation. Blood can drain into the sigmond sinus adjacent to the tympanic membrane of the ear and can relate to T.

 

[Kelvin]

@Contrast Circulation shares a lot with tinnitus including somatic interactions, not just pulsatile. If T is less in the morning and/or increases and decreases throughout the day then circulation may be involved.

The jugular vein -- compression pressure on nerves and blood vessels at the top of the thoracic cavity. Compression of brachial, plexus, subclavian artery/vein and the costoclavicular junction. The scalene muscle complex and other muscles in the neck that react to forward neck and shoulder movement. All can relate to T.

Thoracic Outlook Syndrome per forward shoulder posture diminishes artery, venous and lymphatic circulation. Blood can drain into the sigmond sinus adjacent to the tympanic membrane of the ear and can relate to T.

In respect of my T I agree totally with this @Greg Sacramento.
When my T is raging it is normally ( but not always ) Pulsatile.
I can change my T's tone pitch and also ( weirdly) the location it seems to be coming from, by gently rubbing / massaging my scalp. I cant literally make it swirl around like a wasp going around my head. Its joyful...
I can also make it screech louder by (gently) compressing my neck in the jugular region just under the bend in my jaw.
Both of these physical actions clearly have an effect on blood flow and hence the T noise I hear.
I think we all need to bear in mind that T is a SYMPTOM of a problem and not a condition in itself.
Wishing all you buzzers, ringers and whistlers as good a day as you can have.
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[Bill Bauer]

I used to know my blood type, but I see that I had forgotten what it is...

 

[sirhand]

I don't know my blood type. But I agree there is some connection to the circulatory system. I have low blood pressure and the lightheadedness/almost passing out when I stand up too fast makes my T go through the roof temporarily. I think blood pressure is just one of many things that can cause/contribute to T.

 

[NcName]

Lo and behold a recent study finds a persons blood type may in fact, have significant relation to heart disease and other blood related issues.

For the record, I happen to be O(-) which for those who aren't aware, is the only universal type.

My experience with tinnitus has been relatively sporadic. In the beginning, I would here the high pitch ring which would come and go. It was until a few months ago I truly developed tinnitus as an ailment.

From the initial onset, I couldn't help but notice that lying, sitting or lounging in certain positions, would the ringing increase.

I also contributed a medication as a factor which also amplified the sound. A medication that undoubtedly alters my bloods composition.

 

[NcName]

I forgot to mention, that I no longer suffer from full blown tinnitus. It isn't until my meds are taken that the ringing becomes prominent.

 

[Bill Bauer]

It isn't until my meds are taken

Can you still hear it in a silent room (or if you wear earplugs) even if you don't take any meds?

 

[NcName]

Can you still hear it in a silent room (or if you wear earplugs) even if you don't take any meds?

Honestly Bill, it's no where near what it was when we first spoke. I had the docs switch meds ( same medication, different form) and since then the ringing only occurs post administered. It lasts no more than 10 minutes.

 

[Contrast]

The root cause of tinnitus is disruption in the audiotory brain which is usually caused by hearing loss.

It then would be true that less blood circulation in the inner ear or getting to the brain would dampen hearing thus causing tinnitus. But sense it's already established that hearing loss is the main problem in most cases why are you suggesting the circulatory system the underlying cause?

 

[Bill Bauer]

It lasts no more than 10 minutes.

I am happy for you.

After those 10 minutes, if you were wear earplugs in a quiet room, would you be able to hear anything?

 

[NcName]

The root cause of tinnitus is disruption in the audiotory brain which is usually caused by hearing loss.

It then would be true that less blood circulation in the inner ear or getting to the brain would dampen hearing thus causing tinnitus. But sense it's already established that hearing loss is the main problem in most cases why are you suggesting the circulatory system the underlying cause?

To the best of my knowledge, the idea that a disruption in the audiotory brain as being the cause is a theory. Yet to be proved as fact but I can't accept that assumption as true for a number of reasons.

1. There are cases where an audible sound emits from the ear. A sound audible to those close by. I find it very hard to believe a lack of frequency within the brain, would ultimately cause ANY sound to exit the ear.

2. There are ready available devices designed to mimic the frequency specific to every sufferer. If these devices technically replicate the specific frequency, then in theory, wouldn't the device cure the ailment? After all, it's doing exactly what they say it should.

3. After seeing an ear specialist, to quote my md, " You (I) have the hearing of a ten year old." Not only do I have ZERO hearing loss, my hearing is near perfect.

4. Read my posts about the medication I take. The route of administration and the adverse effects it has on my bloods circulation. To put it direct, my meds are delivered into my bloodstream. It is as those exact moments does my tinnitus react. When the life of my meds wears off, the tinnitus is purely gone.

Obviously, everyone is different. And I am aware of many if not most cases derived from hearing loss. That is something I could further my research on. Not too familiar so I won't speak on it.

 

[NcName]

I am happy for you.

After those 10 minutes, if you were wear earplugs in a quiet room, would you be able to hear anything?

No Bill, I think I'm not being clear enough. The ringing is no longer constant. It comes after taking my meds and if you did get what I was saying (I apologize if so) the ringing is barely noticeable. With or without plugs.

 

[Contrast]

1. There are cases where an audible sound emits from the ear. A sound audible to those close by. I find it very hard to believe a lack of frequency within the brain, would ultimately cause ANY sound to exit the ear.

Tinnitus is not physically audible, well scientist can't actually hear the actual sound of the fusiform cells in the audiotory brain firing irregular anyway or duplicate the exact noise without a patient describing it. Once again "pusatile tinnitus" is physically audible by an ENT using tools for listening but that is a vascular condition not actual tinnitus. No audible sound emits from the ear

2. There are ready available devices designed to mimic the frequency specific to every sufferer. If these devices technically replicate the specific frequency, then in theory, wouldn't the device cure the ailment? After all, it's doing exactly what they say it should.

Certain technology along that line and it has been known to temporarily reduce tinnitus by filling in the gap of the missing frequencies regulating the fusiform cells in the audiotory brain. It's not a cure though
https://www.thetinnitusclinic.co.uk/tinnitus-treatment/acoustic-neuromodulation/
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/new-university-of-michigan-tinnitus-discovery-—-signal-timing.2805/

3. After seeing an ear specialist, to quote my md, " You (I) have the hearing of a ten year old." Not only do I have ZERO hearing loss, my hearing is near perfect.

Not all tinnitus is caused by hearing loss you have have neck/jaw problems modulating the audiotory brainstrem
https://www.tinnitus.org.uk/tinnitus-and-tmj
https://www.dizziness-and-balance.com/disorders/hearing/tinnitus/cervical tinnitus.html
or tinnitus caused by physical head/ brain trauma (TBI)

However most audiology clinics only test up to (20-8000hz) in tonal noise in silence
and the human voice range which is (20-about 5000hz)

Audiologist don't usually test for speech in background noise, they don't usually test above 8000hz.

The full range of human hearing can be up to 30000hz starting at birth only losing hearing from there onward, and in my personal opinion a healthy hearing young adult should be able to hear up to atleast 17,000hz and discriminate frequencies in complex background noise.

When audiologist only test just the bare minimum of the human voice range and slightly above it. Hearing loss that goes unnoticed by outdated audiograms still can cause tinnitus.

All cases of acoustic trauma related tinnitus cause hearing loss regardless of what the uninformed members that get acoustic trauma and join the forum have to say
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378595516302507

4. Read my posts about the medication I take. The route of administration and the adverse effects it has on my bloods circulation. To put it direct, my meds are delivered into my bloodstream. It is as those exact moments does my tinnitus react. When the life of my meds wears off, the tinnitus is purely gone.

Maybe you do have Pusaltile tinnitus McName, or lack of blood circulation to your ears.

You can't dispute all the current facts

It is a proven fact hearing loss is partial cause of tinnitus.

 

[Chris_P]

I forgot to mention, that I no longer suffer from full blown tinnitus. It isn't until my meds are taken that the ringing becomes prominent.

I understand the thought or doubt that non-pulsatile or tinnitus based in the auditory system might not be caused by circulatory issues, but I agree... it seems like something that could likely be in those "everything's connected" kind of ways. I came in here to ask just that question and found this post so maybe we can restart the conversation!

Two things right off the bat from so much I've heard from personal experiences, beyond my own gut feeling, are that blood pressure medications are often ototoxic (which may have nothing to do with it) but that alcohol in particular - if you look up that as a potential cause - is listed as a cause because it lowers blood pressure. And just a lot related to diet or stress that could affect blood pressure and circulation. But personally, I've had certain hints in my life that indicate I might not have the strongest circulation, and I haven't helped but wonder. That, and early on in my tinnitus experience, one of the few things that seemed to provide some relief was high quality Ginkgo Biloba, which aims primarily to improve circulation. But I really just can't help but wonder if any one out there has had a doctor prescribe a circulatory medication that ended up improving tinnitus, whether it was for that cause or not. So curious about this as I feel like people don't talk about it often.