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Tinnitus Retraining Therapy

A treatment that depends on the person's attitude is not a treatment. And in the same breath-of-air, if the treatment worked so well for you, what the hell are you doing posting every other minute on a tinnitus forum? Why aren't you out and about in the real world? For goodness' sake. It's like reading a chapter from the Empe

Normally, I wouldn't reply to someone that has been so rude towards me, as it clearly shows you were not raised to know any better. To have manners and be respectful when addressing someone that you don't know. I feel in a good mood this evening so I will reply to your disrespectful question.

There are two types of people in this world, givers and takers. I believe you are a taker. Never giving anything freely of yourself or wanting to help someone. Just stretching out your hand and taking whatever you can get for free. Having no consideration for others or to understand their plight. Otherwise you wouldn't have come out with your statement and I quote: what the hell are you doing posting every other minute on a tinnitus forum?

Tinnitus can be a very debilitating condition when it is severe. I believe you are unaware of this. Many years ago when I first got tinnitus with severe hyperacusis, I was having a very difficult time coping with it. I received a lot of help and support from people more experienced with these conditions. Now, many years later I want to try and help others that are in a similar situation to what I once was. That is the reason I am here.

Michael
 
That is the reason I am here.
Mate... no one would spend their entire Friday evening (actually night) posting on a bloody tinnitus board, if they didn't have tinnitus AND also suffered from it. No one.

And if you are such an authority on TRT (with 21 years worth of knowledge), how come you manage to spell "Jastreboff" incorrectly 44 times???

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We all make the odd spelling mistake here and there. But 44 times??? Do you also write Brighton as "Brightom"?
 
Mate... no one would spend their entire Friday evening (actually night) posting on a bloody tinnitus board, if they didn't have tinnitus AND also suffered from it. No one.

Again, you have no idea how to address someone correctly in writing. For the record I am not your mate. Thank you for informing me on my spelling mistake of Mr Pawel Jasterboff's name. Ah, I've done it again so that makes it 45 times. It is not an English name and I wrote it phonetically but will try to do better in future. I have written approximately 50 articles on tinnitus in this forum including my 13000 word document: Tinnitus, A Personal View. https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-a-personal-view.18668/ Not including Mr Jastreboff's name, I don't think you'll find too many spelling errors in them although there's bound to be some. I am here to help people not to argue. I suggest you purchase a bar of soap and wash your mouth then you'll probably be able to speak and write more politely instead of using inappropriate language.

Goodbye.
Michael
 
TRT (Tinnitus Retraining Therapy) I have had twice in 20 years with good results. This treatment cannot be done alone by the person affected with tinnitus. It requires counselling (talk therapy) on a regular basis with a Hearing Therapist or Audiologist trained in TRT (tinnitus management). It also requires the wearing of white noise generators for up to 10hrs a day and using a sound machine by the bedside, throughout the night until morning. The wearing of white noise generators and using a sound machine is called "sound enrichment". It treats the tinnitus and hyperacusis if it is present. The treatment lasts up to 2 years.
For more information on TRT read my articles on it in my "started threads". The TRT book, written by Professor Jasterboff and Jonathon Hazell, that all Hearing Therapists and Audiologists follow for treating tinnitus patients, is available from Amazon.

Michael
Many thanks for the replay,Really I am looking to make an application for the android devices to treat tinnitus by TRT
Technic or something like that by my mobile at home,I already made 3 applicatios: white noise,check your hearing and tinnitus describer,I am thinking to marriage these applications together to make something generate the same sound in my head so maybe it will stop the chatting of the cortex in my brain!
Is that possible in your mind or not?
 
I understand what you said,no need to paste it again,but maybe I have to ask you about ACRN not TRT treatment,Its on my ability.
Any way thanks for your help.
 
This is a video with an audiologist talking about the TRT offered at UPMC in Pittsburgh, where I live. It's geared towards clinicians, but I think it's interesting viewing/reading (you can print the transcript) for any of us.

http://www.upmcphysicianresources.c...etraining-therapy-how-to-live-with-the-sounds

Tinnitus Retraining Therapy: How to Live with the Sounds
In this presentation, Dr. Lori Zitelli discusses tinnitus retraining therapy and how to treat patients with this condition.

Educational objectives:

Upon completion of this activity, participants should be able to:

  • Compare and contrast hyperacusis and misophonia
  • Describe the two components of Tinnitus Retraining Therapy
  • Discuss why patients experiencing tinnitus (as opposed to suffering from tinnitus) are not candidates for Tinnitus Retraining Therapy
Reading Resources:

  1. Jastreboff, P. J. (2011). Tinnitus retraining therapy. In Textbook of tinnitus (pp. 575-596). Springer New York
  2. Jastreboff, P. J., & Jastreboff, M. M. (2000). Tinnitus retraining therapy (TRT) as a method for treatment of tinnitus and hyperacusis patients. Journal-American Academy Of Audiology, 11(3), 162-177.
  3. Forti, S., Costanzo, S., Crocetti, A., Pignataro, L., Del Bo, L., & Ambrosetti, U. (2009). Are Results of Tinnitus Retraining Therapy Maintained over Time?. Audiology and Neurotology, 14(5), 286-289.
Disclosures:

Dr. Zitelli and Eibling have reported no relevant relationships with proprietary entities producing health care goods or services.

All presenters disclosure of relevant financial relationships with any entity producing, marketing, re-selling, or distributing health care goods or services, used on, or consumed by, patients is listed above. No other planners, members of the planning committee, speakers, presenters, authors, content reviewers and/or anyone else in a position to control the content of this education activity have relevant financial relationships to disclose.

Accreditation Statement:

The University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine is accredited by the Accreditation Council for Continuing Medical Education (ACCME) to provide continuing medical education for physicians.

The University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine designates this enduring material for a maximum of 1 AMA PRA Category 1 Credits™. Each physician should only claim credit commensurate with the extent of their participation in the activity. Other health care professionals are awarded (0.1) continuing education units (CEU) which are equivalent to 1 contact hour.

For your credit transcript, please access our website 4 weeks post-completion at http://ccehs.upmc.edu and follow the link to the Credit Transcript page. If you do not provide the last 5 digits of your SSN on the next page you will not be able to access a CME credit transcript. Providing your SSN is voluntary.

Release Date: 12/22/2016 | Last Modified On: 12/22/2016 | Expires: 12/22/2017
 
If you don't believe something will help, than it won't. You have to open yourself up to the experience and to actually want it. Visualization is a powerful thing. There are reams of data that support it. TRT, in effect, is just another form of operant conditioning. It's how I quit smoking a decade ago. Every day for a year whenever I'd light up, I'd chastise myself, 'This suck. This stinks. Why are you paying to give yourself cancer? This is disgusting. etc.' So by the time the year was up I was more than ready to quit - had been smoking less as I went along - and quit cold turkey and have never even had the desire to have another smoke since.

I see a lot of people complaining on this forum that nothing will ever help, but I don't see their tales of what they're actually doing to make it better - except for the people who have been here a while and are helping other people. Their story is the same. Started out with this shitty condition, went through a bad time of figuring things out and dealing with it, and dealt with it. I don't see anyone here that's seen improvement saying they only did one thing once. It's a process. It's a lifestyle change and you have to be serious about it and commit to it for the rest of your life if you want life, much less to beat this god awful thing. And people do it. There are literally 10's of millions of people out there doing it every day. Diet and exercise anyone can do and that's the biggest right there. There are loads of clinical and alternative treatments to try, and you're only going to find what works for you by experimenting and keeping an open mind - and again - wanting it to help. Most of the good and positive people here have done just that. They've tried all kinds of things, not everything worked, but lots did and when you put them all together that's what adds up to being able to get on with your life. If you can't see that, and are unwilling to do that, than it's unlikely you'll ever get better.
 
I see a lot of people complaining on this forum that nothing will ever help, but I don't see their tales of what they're actually doing to make it better
Remember this forum is the minority, not the majority. Most people get either get used to their Tinnitus or it gets better and they leave. My suggestion to most new members is to leave this forum or only read the success stories as there is a lot of things said here that aren't helpful.
 
If you don't believe something will help, than it won't. You have to open yourself up to the experience and to actually want it. Visualization is a powerful thing. There are reams of data that support it. TRT, in effect, is just another form of operant conditioning. "


Well said, Henry Ford - "Whether you think you can, or you think you can't - you're right"
 
I'm two months into my tinnitus nightmare... My otologist referred me to an audiologist, who I met yesterday. The audiologist recommended I do TRT. Can anyone who has been through TRT please help me make a decision? I've read most of the posts on this board about TRT, but I don't see much in the way of descriptions of what the outcome feels like. The audiologist made it sound like you actually hear it less. But other stuff I've read makes it sound like you hear it just as loud, but it doesn't annoy you as much. Seems like a big difference to me.

So I'd really appreciate help from anyone who has gone through the "official" TRT program (not an internet DIY program). I'm not that interested in inciting another discussion on how expensive it is though. That topic has been covered ad nauseum. I agree it seems overpriced! But I can afford it and am willing to try it if all the time and effort has a good chance to improve my T.

Thanks!
 
Hi @Dave T
A member of this forum named @Michael Leigh has done the official TRT twice. You can contact him, he will refer you to his testimonial that he led in this forum.

@Dave T

TRT, As I See It.

I think some people misunderstand TRT and the way it can help tinnitus. Whilst a person is entitled to an opinion, if they haven't been on the programme and only read reports on it, I don't believe they are getting the full picture. A number of people have asked me about its effectiveness and when should it be administered. I covered this in my post: What is TRT and when should it be started: https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/what-is-trt-and-when-should-it-be-started.19024/

TRT has quite a following and has caused much debate in this forum and elsewhere on the Internet. Unfortunately, a lot of these comments haven't been favourable, although those that have had the treatment or elements of it have said they found it helpful. This treatment is expensive and I will be candid and say, only those that can afford it are able to try it.

Where I live the treatment is free but it is only available at selected hospitals. Even then, some don't follow the TRT protocol and adapt the treatment to their requirements but good results have still been possible. In some parts of the UK it's just not available nor is CBT. Therefore, anyone wanting TRT will have to pay privately at clinic. Other forum members have told me the treatment is free in their country and like the UK, it has been adapted to include some elements of the therapy. This may be wearing one or two white noise generators and not always having tinnitus counselling with a Hearing Therapist, so a person may be left to just get along with it.

I have learned in some countries medical insurance won't touch TRT, so a person will have to pay for it out of their own pocket, which I think this is unfortunate.

So what is TRT and if one is able to pay for it should they, taking into account some of the negative comments that it has received? Having had TRT twice over 20 years following the TRT protocol, I will try to shed some more light on this treatment and hopefully give the individual a little more clarity to make up their own mind on whether the financial outlay is worth it, but more importantly; is it effective as a treatment for someone that has tinnitus and hyperacusis and enable them to have a better quality of life?

I first want to say the following is based on my own opinion and therefore is not professional medical advice. The onset of tinnitus can be quite an emotional roller coaster for a lot of people, and I believe a person needs time for this to settle. Many people habituate within the first six months to one year of the onset of tinnitus without any treatment. If a person just has tinnitus without any additional symptoms, such as dizziness, deafness or balance problems. I think a period of at least six months should elapse before starting a long-term treatment such as TRT. Anyone paying privately needs to know they are getting the proper treatment. Any clinic not giving you this service then I advise you to go elsewhere because it is not TRT. You should be given two white noise generators to wear and also having regular counselling sessions with a Hearing Therapist or Audiologist. More is explained in the above link.

TRT is not a complete cure so anyone seeking this might be disappointed. However, the sound therapy, which involves wearing white noise generators, I believe can cure hyperacusis as in my case. It should be noted, whilst this treatment may not cure tinnitus, many people find its perception reduces to such a low level they can comfortably live with it. Habituate. In some instances a person might be unaware of their tinnitus for long periods. Each person will respond to it differently.

If you have ever lost someone that is close to you, such as a parent, partner or even a pet then you will know what it is to grieve. Most people will go through this process at some point in their life. It is not often talked about but we all know it's something that's inevitable and will come to us sooner or later perhaps even more than once in our lifetime. It requires a period of time for a person to accept that their life has changed, and time is needed to adjust so they will eventually be able to move on.

Why am I saying this some of you might be wondering? A forum member recently asked what does TRT involve? I was explaining to him, the counselling part of the therapy and the relationship between patient and Hearing Therapist. At first the therapist discusses with the patient how the tinnitus makes them feel and how it has impacted on their life. Often people say they have lost interest in the things they once liked doing, which is perfectly understandable. The main goal is to gradually help them to look at life differently and with a more positive outlook. Over time the negative thinking that is often associated with tinnitus and hyperacusis is gradually dispelled and demystified. The Hearing Therapist does this in a controlled and precise manner so that the patient feels relaxed and not pressured.

When someone gets loud intrusive tinnitus with or without hyperacusis, in an instant their world has been turned upside down. Some go through periods of stress, anxiety even depression and yearn for the way life was before the onset. They need time to adjust and to accept this new anomaly in their life. Some have an easier time than others at habituating, so may not need the help of a tinnitus counselling. For some that find the tinnitus and hyperacusis severely intrusive TRT and CBT can prove to be helpful. It all depends on the individual, their emotional makeup and the severity of the condition because we are all different. It is for this reason; the treatment can take up to 2 years for a person to adjust to a different way of life and often with a positive outcome.

I was fortunate to have TRT twice and found it to be helpful on both occasions. I only wish that it were more readily available to others.

Michael
 
I have tinnitus from a misaligned jaw, my tinnitus is minimal when sitting in silence. My tinnitus goes up with external noises like tv, furnace, etc...

Is the retraining therapy worth the shot??
 
Is the retraining therapy worth the shot??

TRT may help you but you may not need to go into such long length programme. I advise you to get a referral to Hearing Therapist or Audiologist that specialises in the treatment and management of tinnitus. Discuss your tinnitus with them and see what method of treatment is advised. Since your tinnitus increases with external sounds using sound therapy especially at night can be helpful.. Please click on the links below and read my articles on the use of sound enrichment and tinnitus.

Michael

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...ise-generators-for-the-tinnitus-newbie.18130/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/can-tinnitus-counselling-help.22366/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-a-personal-view.18668/
 
TRT may help you but you may not need to go into such long length programme. I advise you to get a referral to Hearing Therapist or Audiologist that specialises in the treatment and management of tinnitus. Discuss your tinnitus with them and see what method of treatment is advised. Since your tinnitus increases with external sounds using sound therapy especially at night can be helpful.. Please click on the links below and read my articles on the use of sound enrichment and tinnitus.

Michael

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...ise-generators-for-the-tinnitus-newbie.18130/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/can-tinnitus-counselling-help.22366/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-a-personal-view.18668/

I try to sleep with as little noise at night as possible. I was a mess for about 3 months in the summer and 2 months got NO SLEEP. The other month I probably averaged 2 hours a sleep in 30 days... I sleep fine now usually, I def don't want no sound enrichment, although certain loud enough sounds like running water, playing music into my headphones mask it... Like I said the tv and furnace make the T louder.... I'm thinking of going back to the dentist to play around with my splint.
 
I found this article today: Effects of Tinnitus Retraining Therapy with Different Colours of Sound.
See attached file.
 

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TRT may help you but you may not need to go into such long length programme. I advise you to get a referral to Hearing Therapist or Audiologist that specialises in the treatment and management of tinnitus. Discuss your tinnitus with them and see what method of treatment is advised. Since your tinnitus increases with external sounds using sound therapy especially at night can be helpful.. Please click on the links below and read my articles on the use of sound enrichment and tinnitus.

Michael

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...ise-generators-for-the-tinnitus-newbie.18130/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/can-tinnitus-counselling-help.22366/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-a-personal-view.18668/

So I don't get it, does the retraining therapy take the tinnitus away, or what is a positive effect the retraining could have on my tinnitus?
 
So I don't get it, does the retraining therapy take the tinnitus away, or what is a positive effect the retraining could have on my tinnitus?
lol nope just teaches you to not care about the tinnitus. Absolutely no reduction. Pretty useless tbh.

It seems you and I actually have really similar tinnitus. If I were you I'd focus on fixing your jaw. I can make my tinnitus go away sometimes by massaging my jaw.
 
Can tinnitus retraining therapy make tinnitus worse?
From my own experience, anecdotal evidence on this site and studies regarding hidden hearing loss and synaptopathy of coachella I will say... Yes, it can. TRT assumes that if you have tinnitus the probability for further damage of middle ear and coachella is no higher in your case than in an average healthy person. In other words it means that you shouldn't protect your ears in places that aren't objectively hazardous. It seems to me that there are people for whom this is true but there is also a group for whose having tinnitus is the indication of decreased sound tolerance and increased vulnerability to further damage. If that person will expose himself/herself to the sounds that are uncomfortable for him/her but perfectly safe for someone without Tinnitus your T will increase (temporary or permanently). In which of those sub-groups are you? About that you may find out when it will be too late as it was in my case. I don't mean that I think that whole TRT idea is useless. I believe in habituation and I believe TRT helps to achieve it (but it's not necessary). The problem is - any further increase of volume, new sound, increased reactivity which might be the outcome of TRT therapy administered to some people.
 
So I don't get it, does the retraining therapy take the tinnitus away, or what is a positive effect the retraining could have on my tinnitus?

I have had enough of @threefirefour and have now placed you on ignore. Just wanted to let you know that I no longer have to see your irritating posts.
So goodbye and I wish you well.

@Mathew Gould

TRT is not a cure and anyone going into this treatment thinking this way will be disappointed. They should also know one, cannot expect this treatment or any other for tinnitus is going to do all the work because it won't. A person has to try and help themselves. By this I mean, acquiring a positive mindset. TRT and counselling with a therapist can help but it won't do everything. Read @fishbone many posts and they will help you to look at life and tinnitus differently. I will place some links below to my posts on my started threads and suggest you read them regularly. They are a form of counselling and will reinforce positive thinking.

If you go into any kind of talk therapy (counselling) with a therapist for tinnitus, then I advise you to keep away from people like Threefirefour Their negative thinking and bias towards tinnitus treatment will prevent you habituating to the condition.

TRT and CBT can take many months to work up to 2 years. The results can be quite good, in that the perception of tinnitus can be reduced to a level the person hardly hears it. Even if the tinnitus is at a moderate level a person isn't bothered by it. Talk therapy (counselling) can help a lot with this. As I said a person has to try and help themselves and mustn't expect treatments such as TRT to do all the work.

Michael


https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/new-to-tinnitus-what-to-do.12558/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-a-personal-view.18668/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/hyperacusis-as-i-see-it.19174/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/is-positivity-important.23150/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-and-the-negative-mindset.23705/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/acquiring-a-positive-mindset.23969/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/the-ent-doctor-and-hearing-therapist.24047/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/inspiration.22894/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/can-tinnitus-counselling-help.22366/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/the-habituation-process.20767/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/a-change-of-lifestyle.20643/
 
I have had enough of @threefirefour and have now placed you on ignore. Just wanted to let you know that I no longer have to see your irritating posts.
So goodbye and I wish you well.

@Mathew Gould

TRT is not a cure and anyone going into this treatment thinking this way will be disappointed. They should also know one, cannot expect this treatment or any other for tinnitus is going to do all the work because it won't. A person has to try and help themselves. By this I mean, acquiring a positive mindset. TRT and counselling with a therapist can help but it won't do everything. Read @fishbone many posts and they will help you to look at life and tinnitus differently. I will place some links below to my posts on my started threads and suggest you read them regularly. They are a form of counselling and will reinforce positive thinking.

If you go into any kind of talk therapy (counselling) with a therapist for tinnitus, then I advise you to keep away from people like Threefirefour Their negative thinking and bias towards tinnitus treatment will prevent you habituating to the condition.

TRT and CBT can take many months to work up to 2 years. The results can be quite good, in that the perception of tinnitus can be reduced to a level the person hardly hears it. Even if the tinnitus is at a moderate level a person isn't bothered by it. Talk therapy (counselling) can help a lot with this. As I said a person has to try and help themselves and mustn't expect treatments such as TRT to do all the work.

Michael


https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/new-to-tinnitus-what-to-do.12558/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-a-personal-view.18668/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/hyperacusis-as-i-see-it.19174/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/is-positivity-important.23150/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-and-the-negative-mindset.23705/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/acquiring-a-positive-mindset.23969/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/the-ent-doctor-and-hearing-therapist.24047/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/inspiration.22894/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/can-tinnitus-counselling-help.22366/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/the-habituation-process.20767/

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/a-change-of-lifestyle.20643/
Sad to see this is how a grown man takes criticism of something he likes.
 

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