UltraQuiet Therapy

[Salt]

I agree that trying something with classical music might be more effective.

I work in protools and I have an old waves bundle, what kind of plugins do you guys use to transpose a whole audio file? My thinking was to high pass everything below 10k and then on a seperste track transpose everything below 10k to 10k-20k. I was thinking Bethoven...

-salt

 

[Steve]

I'm not so sure about transposing existing music as it will lose a lot of its character through the processing. The audible parts will sound strange I imagine.

But if you have a plugin that works well then I guess it's worth a shot.

The issue with much music for me is that there is too much silence in it; I wonder if there will be any RI or if the listening will be uncomfortable because of that, and consequently the therapy won't work as well? Maybe we need to make some music specially for it?

 

[SoulStation]

I agree that trying something with classical music might be more effective.

I work in protools and I have an old waves bundle, what kind of plugins do you guys use to transpose a whole audio file? My thinking was to high pass everything below 10k and then on a seperste track transpose everything below 10k to 10k-20k. I was thinking Bethoven...

-salt

I have anteres autotune 7 and an old melodyne demo but I'd figure elastic pitch would be best for this.

 

[Frederick86]

@SoulStation Are these Audacity plugins or other software?

Right now I don't know anything about audio editing, but I could learn if there's need for more people to make tests so we can figure out the exact way to replicate the paper protocol.

 

[Baris]

make sense, thanks for sharing

 

[SoulStation]

@SoulStation Are these Audacity plugins or other software?

Right now I don't know anything about audio editing, but I could learn if there's need for more people to make tests so we can figure out the exact way to replicate the paper protocol.

they're RTAS plug ins for the program Pro Tools LE... not for audacity, but it may be possible to run them as .Vst or .Au files. They're expensive at least Autotune is.

 

[Frederick86]

@SoulStation Good to know, at least for the moment I'll focus on learning basic skills with Audacity in case I need it, I'll let the pro stuff for people who know more...

Any news about the tests, @Steve ? Would it be useful if I, having probably a very different tinnitus than you, buy a bone conduction headset to be a second tester of the sounds?

 

[Steve]

@SoulStation Good to know, at least for the moment I'll focus on learning basic skills with Audacity in case I need it, I'll let the pro stuff for people who know more...

Any news about the tests, @Steve ? Would it be useful if I, having probably a very different tinnitus than you, buy a bone conduction headset to be a second tester of the sounds?

I honestly haven't had the free time to get any further with the sounds.

I wonder if the few of us on here that are interested in making the sounds and music could collaborate on a couple of tracks, should be easy to share files with Dropbox or Google Drive?

 

[Cor]

Someone pointed me here: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16419683

Is this known by some other name? Anyone try it?

 

[linearb]

Hello,

I've just registered to post on this thread because this has been on my own radar for several months (and I've actually had my own contact with Dr. Lenhardt, though it contained no information not already posted here).

I'd like to take a stab at this, because it seems unlikely to do any harm and if it provides any relief at all that would be great. I have three questions:
* I can get myself a pair of the aftershokz, no problem -- do I also need a transducer? Why? If the input to the aftershockz is the right kind of high frequency sound, is that sufficient?
* do we know that the aftershockz piezo device is capable of producing the very high frequencies found in the paper?
* would anyone who has made some of these audio files already be able to share them with me?

Thanks!

 

[Steve]

Hello,

I've just registered to post on this thread because this has been on my own radar for several months (and I've actually had my own contact with Dr. Lenhardt, though it contained no information not already posted here).

I'd like to take a stab at this, because it seems unlikely to do any harm and if it provides any relief at all that would be great. I have three questions:
* I can get myself a pair of the aftershokz, no problem -- do I also need a transducer? Why? If the input to the aftershockz is the right kind of high frequency sound, is that sufficient?
* do we know that the aftershockz piezo device is capable of producing the very high frequencies found in the paper?
* would anyone who has made some of these audio files already be able to share them with me?

Thanks!

Hi,

i haven't made any files yet but when I do I will gladly share them.

 

[linearb]

Using these headphones, even at a very quiet volume, seems to cause significant spikes in my T. Not sure I'm sold on this approach...

 

[Steve]

Using these headphones, even at a very quiet volume, seems to cause significant spikes in my T. Not sure I'm sold on this approach...

I haven't yet tried it with the ultra quiet techniques but just using normal masking sounds with the headphones did the same to me, I only did it briefly when I got them though so when I get time I will try some different sounds.

 

[Matthias]

An open question: bone conduction hearing devices are used to by-pass the middle ear and provide the vibrations to the cochlea, through the bone. How can this work if you have damage inside the cochlea ,which causes the T.
Only the cochlea provides the sound stimuli to the brain (auditory cortex). Other nerves don't pick up the vibrations as sound.

 

[OddV]

Any update on this approach? Anyone been able to test at all?

 

[Tinnitus24/7]

Ditto OddV....was this executed/experimented? Sounds like a viable idea. I have 24/7 tinnitus for 10 years at 9000 to 12000hz at any and all times.

 

[OptimusPrimed]

Daily mail article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-139867/A-sound-hope-tinnitus-victims.html

A new treatment for tinnitus using vibrations created by synthesised music, improved symptoms in almost all patients during its first trial.
The sonic brain reprogramming treatment, based on sound vibrations that pass through a bone behind the ear, helped eight out of ten of the patients who had twice-weekly sessions of the therapy.

Its inventors, who are planning larger trials, say the technology could be a real breakthrough for the one in ten people who suffer with the debilitating condition at some time.

 

[Sound Wave]

Bump for this thread. @jazz and @Steve any update with this? You both got the headphones right?

 

[jazz]

@Sound Wave I did get the headphones, but they worsened my tinnitus when I tried to listen to some music. I usually get bad spikes when I listen to any type of music in my left ear. But I thought that by passing the middle ear I would eliminate my spikes and thus could try the Ultra Quiet Therapy. I was wrong, however, and I got a few terrible spikes and so I just forgot about trying the therapy.

But I did love the headphones. The bluetooth worked perfectly and the sound was pretty good. Not Bose quality, of course.

But the sound was fine and the headphones are very comfortable as long as you can listen to music.

 

[Sound Wave]

Thanks @jazz. So you listened only music and not anything else, like just high frequencies?

 

[lapidus]

@Sound Wave I did get the headphones, but they worsened my tinnitus when I tried to listen to some music. I usually get bad spikes when I listen to any type of music in my left ear. But I thought that by passing the middle ear I would eliminate my spikes and thus could try the Ultra Quiet Therapy. I was wrong, however, and I got a few terrible spikes and so I just forgot about trying the therapy.

But I did love the headphones. The bluetooth worked perfectly and the sound was pretty good. Not Bose quality, of course.

But the sound was fine and the headphones are very comfortable as long as you can listen to music.

From the article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-139867/A-sound-hope-tinnitus-victims.html I got the impression that you didnt listen to music, but only the vibrations. That's not the case?

 

[Steve]

@Sound Wave I think that it's music shifted up into the higher frequencies, but I can't fully remember.

I got the headphones and they made my tinnitus worse when listening to normal masking tracks, so I didn't do anything more with it.

 

[jazz]

Thanks @jazz. So you listened only music and not anything else, like just high frequencies?

@Sound Wave Yes, I listened to music to try to "break in" my brain to sounds on the left side, which is very sensitive to everything. I did, however, try notch music with the headphones, and it didn't work. But I am still intrigued with the idea of using these headphones for sound therapy since they bypass your middle ear.

From the article http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-139867/A-sound-hope-tinnitus-victims.html I got the impression that you didnt listen to music, but only the vibrations. That's not the case?

@lapidus Yes, you are right. But I didn't have access to the UltraQuiet program.

Do you know the date of that article? I can't find any current information for the UltraQuiet company? I did find this reference, but the web page is old, last updated in 2002. (Yikes!) This information may be here earlier in the thread, however.

http://www.people.vcu.edu/~lenhardt/Pages/UltraQuiet.html

 

[Markku]

Do you know the date of that article?

In the source code of the Daily Mail article it says:

<meta property="article:modified_time" content="2002-09-25T11:20:28.000Zyyyy-MM-dd HH:mm:ss z" />

Could it be as old as 2002 therefore?

 

[jazz]

Wow. And the article is posted as if it's current. Well, it's safe to say there'll be no second trial.

 

[Sound Wave]

Oh dear if it's that old...

 

[Markku]

Oh dear if it's that old...

Yeah it is...

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-91986387.html

That + the actual DailyMail article modify date being from around the same time (the following day), there's no question about it...

 

[Sound Wave]

Damn. I know the developer of BlindSquare app (navigation for the blind) quite well and he has these headphones in Helsinki which I may be able to borrow. However, now I am losing hope for this method...

 

[Blair14]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-139867/A-sound-hope-tinnitus-victims.html

 

[Markku]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-139867/A-sound-hope-tinnitus-victims.html

Read this and the posts following it:
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/ultraquiet-therapy.1040/page-4#post-87833