University of Minnesota Tinnitus Research with Acoustic and Body Stimulation

[parsky]

Be careful by just saying it takes xx db of sound pressure to mask your T. It really depends on the spectral content of the noise. If you have 13khz T it is a lot harder to mask than 1khz because of the frequency spectrum of the noise sources. Download an app like Decible X and look at the FFT of various environments and you will see what I mean. Most places have higher amplitude low frequency noise than higher. I'm just saying this isn't a good metric to compare with. Rather it would be better to figure out high how on the fft the adjacent frequencies need to be to mask the T. This would give a better idea of the overall volume of the T.

 

[RODRIGO]

In addition, when the frequency of tinnitus is higher, it is very likely that you will have greater hearing loss in that frequency, so even if you have a tinnitus of 25 db, your ears need many more decibels of sound than the 25 db that sound in your head to mask that tinnitus ...

 

[kelpiemsp]

I was able to get a mask using a broadband frequency tuned to my hearing loss (or lack thereof) as part of the trial. It's a very important consideration that they have taken into account when they measure my minimum masking level. I was able to catch a peak at the values so I know my estimates were on, but good suggestions for others!

 

[Manny]

Kelpie you are the man.

 

[Benoves]

Did your first sound (which you always had) improve too? That would be very encouraging that such a chronic tinnitus can improve with the right treatment.

 

[Mathew Gould]

-7-10 db sound amazing! Is 6 db not double the volume? that would mean your T is more then 50% reduced volume wise.

Thanks to updating us. Really rooting for you!

Yeah anyone know the answer? Is a reduction of 6 dB's half of the sound?? Meaning if tinnitus is currently at about 70 dB's would 64 dB's be half the sound of tinnitus?

 

[GregCA]

Yeah anyone know the answer? Is a reduction of 6 dB's half of the sound?? Meaning if tinnitus is currently at about 70 dB's would 64 dB's be half the sound of tinnitus?

If you want to understand sound better, here is a page that is quite informational: http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-soundpower.htm

 

[Bill Bauer]

Yeah anyone know the answer? Is a reduction of 6 dB's half of the sound?? Meaning if tinnitus is currently at about 70 dB's would 64 dB's be half the sound of tinnitus?

http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-levelchange.htm

Doubling of the volume (loudness) should be sensed as a level difference of +10 dB.
Doubling the sound pressure (voltage) corresponds to a measured level change of +6 dB
Doubling of sound intensity (acoustic energy) belongs to a calculated level change of +3 dB.

 

[duder12]

@kelpiemsp I think it is safe to say that every one of us here is rooting for you and for this trial and treatment. I have a question. Do you know the benefit status of other trial participants? Are they experiencing T reductions as are you?

I am in the trial and haven't seen a reduction yet. Maybe just one evening after a session but overall it has not made much difference.

I do think I'm a couple sessions behind most others though.

 

[kelpiemsp]

I am in the trial and haven't seen a reduction yet. Maybe just one evening after a session but overall it has not made much difference.

I do think I'm a couple sessions behind most others though.

Ask what timing you are on? For me it was the -15 but there were definitely duds. They are changing up the timing orders so maybe ask them!

 

[threefirefour]

I am in the trial and haven't seen a reduction yet. Maybe just one evening after a session but overall it has not made much difference.

I do think I'm a couple sessions behind most others though.

Thanks for your input. The more the merrier.

 

[duder12]

Ask what timing you are on? For me it was the -15 but there were definitely duds. They are changing up the timing orders so maybe ask them!

I will. Thanks

 

[Bill Bauer]

This explains how the device works using simple language...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/exper...reduce-constant-ringing-of-tinnitus-1.3746819

 

[Mathew Gould]

This explains how the device works using simple language...

I don't like how they said, "This treatment is some years away".

 

[PlsHelpMe]

I don't like how they said, "This treatment is some years away".

Yes... But we are near to find the cure. All I need is a little light in the dark.

 

[Spiral]

I don't like how they said, "This treatment is some years away".

lol, ditto. Based on all of the tidbits of info that we've gotten over the past year or so it indicates that this treatment or another like it will be on the market one or at most two years from now.

 

[Akk]

-7-10 db sound amazing! Is 6 db not double the volume? that would mean your T is more then 50% reduced volume wise.

Thanks to updating us. Really rooting for you!

3 dB change equals double (or half) in sound pressure level. In practice, 3 dB change is consired rather small, just noticable. When volume changes 10 dB (10 times in SPL), it is consired as "double" than previous volume level. After all 10 dB reducing is remarkable.

 

[threefirefour]

I don't like how they said, "This treatment is some years away".

Why? We are some years away.

Two

 

[Mathew Gould]

lol, ditto. Based on all of the tidbits of info that we've gotten over the past year or so it indicates that this treatment or another like it will be on the market one or at most two years from now.

Agreed, I think the article was from like 7 months ago anyways.

 

[Deamon22]

Damn, how awesome would it be if this could bring severe tinnitus down to mild and maybe completely silence mild tinnitus. Let's hope this works out.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

3 dB change equals double (or half) in sound pressure level. In practice, 3 dB change is consired rather small, just noticable. When volume changes 10 dB (10 times in SPL), it is consired as "double" than previous volume level. After all 10 dB reducing is remarkable.

Oh I see. I have read and been told several times that 6 dB is double the volume, but I see those people that told me that are wrong.

Yes, a 10 dB reduction in tinnitus is quite remarkable.

 

[kelpiemsp]

It is possible there is some marginal gains going on. I.E. it's possible that the louder the T the more the hyper activity and thus the more of an effect. I have no idea. Let me be clear that my T has in no ways been eliminated. But it has certainly been reduced

 

[Deamon22]

@kelpiemsp still a huge accomplishment

 

[Benoves]

@kelpiemsp do you have a treatment today or next week?

 

[TheDanishGirl]

I am in the trial and haven't seen a reduction yet. Maybe just one evening after a session but overall it has not made much difference.

I do think I'm a couple sessions behind most others though.

Damn! Not what I (we) wanted to hear

But I thank you for your honesty, and coming here telling it to us.

 

[Mathew Gould]

Anyone know what the 3rd trial that starts in early 2019 is about?

 

[Mathew Gould]

Be careful by just saying it takes xx db of sound pressure to mask your T. It really depends on the spectral content of the noise. If you have 13khz T it is a lot harder to mask than 1khz because of the frequency spectrum of the noise sources. Download an app like Decible X and look at the FFT of various environments and you will see what I mean. Most places have higher amplitude low frequency noise than higher. I'm just saying this isn't a good metric to compare with. Rather it would be better to figure out high how on the fft the adjacent frequencies need to be to mask the T. This would give a better idea of the overall volume of the T.

I have white noise as tinnitus, is that closer to 13 kHz or 1 kHz? And I also have the re-active tinnitus where the tinnitus goes up with sound, although the re-active part is lessening I think.

 

[Manny]

Damn! Not what I (we) wanted to hear

Yup... I'm feeling like this a lot these days - 24/7 in fact... ;((

 

[parsky]

I have white noise as tinnitus, is that closer to 13 kHz or 1 kHz? And I also have the re-active tinnitus where the tinnitus goes up with sound, although the re-active part is lessening I think.

White noise would be noise across all frequencies.

 

[TheDanishGirl]

Yup... I'm feeling like this a lot these days - 24/7 in fact... ;((

What do you mean?