Vagus Nerve Therapy Idea

Jomo

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I was curious based on what i have read about the mice that were cured using vagus stimulation if you could use something like the general fuzz ACRN website and then while listening just stimulate the vagus nerve by humming or splashing cold water on your face.

In theory its seems it could work but how effective is anyone's guess. They zapped the mice 300 times a day so the method of stimulation would be the key.

Humming is obviously the easiest and most efficient way to go but the big question is how much does this actually stimulate the nerve. Any thoughts?
 
Like little Johnny when growing up who said, hey, I got a great idea, whattya say today we jump off the garage?
I said...um...well....sounds good Johnny, you first. :)
 
Hahaha i can take the razing...the crazy things having tinnitus will make you think of lol ill let u all kno how the experiment goes lol
 
Best thing I ever did to deal with T is not give it the time of day. Go to the gym, buy a motorcycle, and kill it daily! Lol
 
I was curious based on what i have read about the mice that were cured using vagus stimulation if you could use something like the general fuzz ACRN website and then while listening just stimulate the vagus nerve by humming or splashing cold water on your face.

In theory its seems it could work but how effective is anyone's guess. They zapped the mice 300 times a day so the method of stimulation would be the key.

Humming is obviously the easiest and most efficient way to go but the big question is how much does this actually stimulate the nerve. Any thoughts?
Well interestingly some forms of ancient chinese medicine recommend humming/whispering certain sounds (google "qi gong six healing sounds" to see the most common practice) to help tonify certain organs... that's about as much as I can add to your theory.
 
Well interestingly some forms of ancient chinese medicine recommend humming/whispering certain sounds (google "qi gong six healing sounds" to see the most common practice) to help tonify certain organs... that's about as much as I can add to your theory.

Will def check it out. When reading the article they said they used tones that were not the sound of the tinnitus during stimulation. The only therapy with some sort of success that has this concept behind it appears to be the ACRN therapy. Seems like the vagus nerve stimulation may be the hidden piece to really making the therapy work and the mixed results of ACRN may have been due to how people spent their time during therapy (isolation or social interaction). Just a theory but hopefully this vagus therapy comes soon.
 
Hahaha i can take the razing...the crazy things having tinnitus will make you think of lol ill let u all kno how the experiment goes lol

Your theory of Vagus nerve stimulation is not crazy. It's a great method for helping to calm the anxiety that accompanies tinnitus. Meditation, and breathing exercises in particular, have done much to help quell the "synaptic storm" going on in my brain thanks to tinnitus. And these exercises directly affect the parasympathetic nervous system, i.e. the Vagus nerve.

Is this an anecdotal opinion? Of course, but I don't give a shit if people discount it cuz it works for me. Thanks to Vagus nerve stimulation I no longer have horrible panic attacks or chronic, disabling anxiety (nor do I have to take medication for either of those). I also no longer need any medication to help me sleep at night. So stick that in your electric bong and vape it. :cool:

Vagus nerve stimulation is great and to anyone who doesn't believe that then I say enjoy the madness screaming between your ears, but please don't piss and moan to the rest of us about it, m'kay cupcake. ;)

For those of you serious about finding relief and taking charge of your life here are a couple links re: Vagus nerve stimulation.

http://breakingmuscle.com/learn/the-vagus-nerve-an-unexpected-key-to-better-performance

http://drarielleschwartz.com/natural-vagus-nerve-stimulation-dr-arielle-schwartz/#.WLStuG8rLIV

https://selfhacked.com/2015/07/30/2...agus-nerve-and-all-you-need-to-know-about-it/
 
Here's an excellent 10-minute video on the function of the vagus nerve, and 3 powerful ways to stimulate it. 1) Cold, 2) Bitters, 3) Coffee Enemas (which he says is the most powerful of all). As I watched it, I continued to think VN stimulation would likely be very good for treating some of the underlying dynamics of tinnitus.
 
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Here's an excellent 10-minute video on the function of the vagus nerve, and 3 powerful ways to stimulate it. 1) Cold, 2) Bitters, 3) Coffee Enemas (which he says is the most powerful of all). As I watched it, I continued to think VN stimulation would likely be very good for treating some of the underlying dynamics of tinnitus.

That is very interesting. Have you tried any of those methods and did it help tinnitus?
 
That is very interesting. Have you tried any of those methods and did it help tinnitus?

I do cold showers (after a hot one, so that it feels fairly comfortable), and find it gives my neurological system better resiliency, and ability to deal with the intrusive tinnitus. Don't think it actually decreases the volume however. -- I drink teas that have bitter qualities, and feel it's a good modulator of my system, so probably indirectly helps me deal with tinnitus.

I do coffee enemas every day, and have for years (by necessity--not choice). Thankfully, by doing them in combination with various energy balancing and polarity exercises, I'm able to get a respite from my tinnitus by as much as 50% or more for up to 1/2 hour to an hour afterwards. A big part of this regimen is massaging around my ears. I feel this stimulates numerous acupuncture points, AND likely more importantly, the "auricular branch of the vagus nerve". I think the ear massage may be the most effective of all the measures I take.

I recently discovered that very small doses of codeine (via Tylenol 4) can give me a relatively significant break from the intensity (and volume) of the tinnitus. I took just 1/6 of a table last night, and for the first time in ages, didn't wake up with the tinnitus being the first thing on my mind. It took at least a couple minutes before I was reminded of my ongoing tinnitus ordeal. As I type this, I notice it's less noticeable than yesterday, or when I don't take the codeine. From my experience, it's an option that may work better for some people than benzodiazapines. -- Helps with sleep as well!

Best!

@Michael Leigh
@Greg Sacramento
@Bill Bauer
 
I do cold showers (after a hot one, so that it feels fairly comfortable), and find it gives my neurological system better resiliency, and ability to deal with the intrusive tinnitus. Don't think it actually decreases the volume however. -- I drink teas that have bitter qualities, and feel it's a good modulator of my system, so probably indirectly helps me deal with tinnitus.

I do coffee enemas every day, and have for years (by necessity--not choice). Thankfully, by doing them in combination with various energy balancing and polarity exercises, I'm able to get a respite from my tinnitus by as much as 50% or more for up to 1/2 hour to an hour afterwards. A big part of this regimen is massaging around my ears. I feel this stimulates numerous acupuncture points, AND likely more importantly, the "auricular branch of the vagus nerve". I think the ear massage may be the most effective of all the measures I take.

I recently discovered that very small doses of codeine (via Tylenol 4) can give me a relatively significant break from the intensity of the tinnitus. I took just 1/6 of a table last night, and for the first time in ages, didn't wake up with the tinnitus first thing on my mind. It took at least a couple minutes before I was reminded of my ongoing tinnitus ordeal. As I type this, I notice it's much less noticeable than yesterday, or when I don't take the codeine. From my experience, it's likely a better route for some people to go than benzodiazapines. -- Helps with sleep as well!

Best!

@Michael Leigh
@Greg Sacramento
@Bill Bauer

Wow that is very interesting. How does a coffee enema work? Is it hot, cold, or room temperature coffee? I looked it up but it seemed like some people were promoting it while other people said it was dangerous.
 
Wow that is very interesting. How does a coffee enema work? Is it hot, cold, or room temperature coffee? I looked it up but it seemed like some people were promoting it while other people said it was dangerous.

I had to smile as I read your questions, as the topic of coffee enemas is pretty hard to explain in a short time. I'll give it a go however, and try to give you a relatively brief overview.

Coffee enemas were apparently used extensively during World War I by German medics. They usually administered water enemas prior to surgery, but when they didn't have access to safe, clean water, they used coffee that was already heated and at least somewhat sanitized. They soon discovered that surgical outcomes were much better using CEs, and patients experienced much less pain afterwards for up to several hours. -- (They were chronically short of morphine during the war.)

After the war, researchers in the U.S.--intrigued by these accounts--began to research CEs. In at least one published study in the 1922 New England Journal of Medicine, they reported a statistically significant improvement in depression for many who participated. Why would that be? A number of factors likely play into that.

CEs greatly increase the levels of glutathione (by up to 5x-6x), which is the body's primary detoxification enzyme. So levels of toxicity in the body--AND THE BRAIN--can decrease significantly. It's easy to see how this can help reduce tinnitus, which seems to be so sensitive to various tings that can exacerbate it.

Also, the vagus nerve runs from the base of the brain all the way to the colon. Enemas stimulate the vagus nerve, and thus stimulate every place in the body where the vagus nerve (VN) traverses. Interestingly, it traverses through the heart (amongst many other places), and some people are unable to do enemas because it can actually create minor heart arrhythmias.

The VN is also the primary mechanism that creates a parasympathic response in the body--which I think can have huge implications for some people with tinnitus who can't seem to get out of fight or flight mode. Fight or flight is a MAJOR sympathetic response of the nervous system--a parasympathetic response is going back into relaxation mode, which people who sleep well seem to be able to do very well. AND, kitties it would seem.

In the earlier part of the 20th century, a number of alternative cancer clinics began operations, based on using a primarily nutritional approach for therapy. In the beginning, they were successful in killing cancer cells, but it often happened so rapidly, that the body would quickly become extremely toxic from the cancer dieoff. Many apparently died as a result.

Eventually, Max Gerson (founder of the Gerson cancer clinics) discovered the detoxification capabilities of CEs. When he incorporated them into his therapies, people were much better able to handle the cancer dieoff, and people quit dying. In the initial days of treatment, some patients had to do as many as a half dozen CEs, just to keep up with the dieoff. -- Some people with cancer who find out about doing the CEs decide it's just too bizarre for them. They'll do the whole program EXCEPT the CEs. They are turned away. Just too dangerous.

Enemas are done at body temperature. Depending on the person, the equivalent strength (I make a concentrate) of anywhere from 1 to 4 cups of coffee are used. People who do them regularly do it first thing in the morning AFTER they have a normal bowel movement. Then as little as a cup of coffee solution can be inserted. There's lots of directions online which describe how to set yourself up in the bathroom floor, or bathtub, etc. All ridiculous!

Just insert the solution, go about your normal morning routine, and come back and expel it after about 15 minutes. Perhaps in the beginning it might not be that easy, but the more a person does one, the more the body gets used to it, and less of a need to expel it immediately. If there is a great need to expel, then of course do it. No need to torture yourself until you get more used to it.

I do my CEs lying down in bed. I do those energy and polarity exercises I mentioned, all the while my vagus nerve is being stimulated, and my body's detoxification is ramped up. It's the most relaxing time of my day, and keeps me from staying in a chronic state of PTSD, which I think many with tinnitus suffer from.

And as I mentioned earlier, with the ear massage I do, I'm usually able to enjoy as much as a 50% reduction in my tinnitus volume, and an even greater reduction in my tinnitus intensity for up to an hour or more afterwards. I think the cumulative benefits of doing this daily regimen will eventually take me out of major intrusive tinnitus. Perhaps similar to what Julian Cowan Hill claims can be accomplished by some with cranial sacral work--or even Qi Gong.

I'm sure there are other ways to achieve some of the same results I get w/o doing the same regimen I use. So if people are uncomfortable with doing CEs, they could maybe try to find some other way to naturally initiate a parasympathic response and/or increase detoxification. I'm not sure what they would be, because it took me years of trial and error before I found what worked really well for me.

Hope that helps!


P.S. -- I read an account of an alternative cancer clinic in the early 1950's which began to track whether or not their cancer patients had any root canals. Apparently, at a time when only 5% of the population had a root canal, 90% plus of their cancer patients had one. Hmmmm...

I suspect that a number of people on this forum with unknown cause of tinnitus may actually have an otherwise asymptomatic root canal infection causing it. Or perhaps some other undiagnosed hidden infection as well--they can be anywhere in the body. Gall bladder is a prime place, which is why I think liver/gall bladder flushes would be helpful for most people with tinnitus.

@Greg Sacramento



 
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I had to smile as I read your questions, as the topic of coffee enemas is pretty hard to explain in a short time. I'll give it a go however, and try to give you a relatively brief overview.

Coffee enemas were apparently used extensively during World War I by German medics. They usually administered water enemas prior to surgery, but when they didn't have access to safe, clean water, they used coffee that was already heated and at least somewhat sanitized. They soon discovered that surgical outcomes were much better using CEs, and patients experienced much less pain afterwards for up to several hours. -- (They were chronically short of morphine during the war.)

After the war, researchers in the U.S.--intrigued by these accounts--began to research CEs. In at least one published study in the 1922 New England Journal of Medicine, they reported a statistically significant improvement in depression for many who participated. Why would that be? A number of factors likely play into that.

CEs greatly increase the levels of glutathione (by up to 5x-6x), which is the body's primary detoxification enzyme. So levels of toxicity in the body--AND THE BRAIN--can decrease significantly. It's easy to see how this can help reduce tinnitus, which seems to be so sensitive to various tings that can exacerbate it.

Also, the vagus nerve runs from the base of the brain all the way to the colon. Enemas stimulate the vagus nerve, and thus stimulate every place in the body where the vagus nerve (VN) traverses. Interestingly, it traverses through the heart (amongst many other places), and some people are unable to do enemas because it can actually create minor heart arrhythmias.

The VN is also the primary mechanism that creates a parasympathic response in the body--which I think can have huge implications for some people with tinnitus who can't seem to get out of fight or flight mode. Fight or flight is a MAJOR sympathetic response of the nervous system--a parasympathetic response is going back into relaxation mode, which people who sleep well seem to be able to do very well. AND, kitties it would seem.

In the earlier part of the 20th century, a number of alternative cancer clinics began operations, based on using a primarily nutritional approach for therapy. In the beginning, they were successful in killing cancer cells, but it often happened so rapidly, that the body would quickly become extremely toxic from the cancer dieoff. Many apparently died as a result.

Eventually, Max Gerson (founder of the Gerson cancer clinics) discovered the detoxification capabilities of CEs. When he incorporated them into his therapies, people were much better able to handle the cancer dieoff, and people quit dying. In the initial days of treatment, some patients had to do as many as a half dozen CEs, just to keep up with the dieoff. -- Some people with cancer who find out about doing the CEs decide it's just too bizarre for them. They'll do the whole program EXCEPT the CEs. They are turned away. Just too dangerous.

Enemas are done at body temperature. Depending on the person, the equivalent strength (I make a concentrate) of anywhere from 1 to 4 cups of coffee are used. People who do them regularly do it first thing in the morning AFTER they have a normal bowel movement. Then as little as a cup of coffee solution can be inserted. There's lots of directions online which describe how to set yourself up in the bathroom floor, or bathtub, etc. All ridiculous!

Just insert the solution, go about your normal morning routine, and come back and expel it after about 15 minutes. Perhaps in the beginning it might not be that easy, but the more a person does one, the more the body gets used to it, and less of a need to expel it immediately. If there is a great need to expel, then of course do it. No need to torture yourself until you get more used to it.

I do my CEs lying down in bed. I do those energy and polarity exercises I mentioned, all the while my vagus nerve is being stimulated, and my body's detoxification is ramped up. It's the most relaxing time of my day, and keeps me from staying in a chronic state of PTSD, which I think many with tinnitus suffer from.

And as I mentioned earlier, with the ear massage I do, I'm usually able to enjoy as much as a 50% reduction in my tinnitus volume, and an even greater reduction in my tinnitus intensity for up to an hour or more afterwards. I think the cumulative benefits of doing this daily regimen will eventually take me out of major intrusive tinnitus. Perhaps similar to what Julian Cowan Hill claims can be accomplished by some with cranial sacral work--or even Qi Gong.

I'm sure there are other ways to achieve some of the same results I get w/o doing the same regimen I use. So if people are uncomfortable with doing CEs, they could maybe try to find some other way to naturally initiate a parasympathic response and/or increase detoxification. I'm not sure what they would be, because it took me years of trial and error before I found what worked really well for me.

Hope that helps!







Wow, that stuff is very interesting! Thanks so much for explaining it. I think you are right about the parasympathetic system helping with tinnitus. I was thinking that too here recently. :)
 
I recently discovered that very small doses of codeine (via Tylenol 4)
I have been worried about the impact Tylenol 4 might have on T. I feel much better about taking it now! Thank you for sharing your experience.
 
I have been worried about the impact Tylenol 4 might have on T. I feel much better about taking it now! Thank you for sharing your experience.

@Bill Bauer,

I actually have concerns about the ototoxicity of the acetaminophen content in Tylenol 4, especially if I were to take it longer-term. The ingredients are: Codeine phosphate 60 mg, acetaminophen 300 mg. Tylenol 3 has only 30 mg codeine, and the same amount of acetaminophen.

I'm going to be talking with my doctor this week about getting a prescription for straight codeine, as that's what I feel is helping me--not the acetaminophen. I'm hoping to get it in some kind of dropper bottle, so I can take extremely minute amounts--just enough to make a dent with the tinnitus, which I know it can do. -- Best!
 

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