What's Your Definition of Mild Tinnitus?

[mrbrightside614]

whether or not this is actually true, you're gonna have a very, very hard time getting satisfaction out of the medical establishment if you wear it on your sleeve, because doctors, just like every other profession, are disinclined to be as helpful as possible to customers who act condescending and aggressive.

If you are actually smarter than the medical providers you're working with -- simply play along enough to manipulate them into accomplishing whatever treatment or end goal you desire. If you're not capable of doing that, well, maybe someone who's studied something exhaustively for a decade does in fact know some stuff you don't?

Of course this is not my strategy in seeking treatment.

 

[linearb]

Of course this is not my strategy in seeking treatment.

fair. In that case, I would also encourage you to try to not put everything in a box and continue to seek out other providers to the extent you're financially able.

Put differently, I went through many doctors and maybe $20,000 before finding a medical team I like for all of my various issues.

 

[mrbrightside614]

fair. In that case, I would also encourage you to try to not put everything in a box and continue to seek out other providers to the extent you're financially able.

Put differently, I went through many doctors and maybe $20,000 before finding a medical team I like for all of my various issues.

This is exactly why I'd like to circumvent all of the "mainstream" strategies for managing tinnitus and instead save my money for some IPSC's next year. It's going to end up costing the same in the long run.

 

[linearb]

This is exactly why I'd like to circumvent all of the "mainstream" strategies for managing tinnitus and instead save my money for some IPSC's next year. It's going to end up costing the same in the long run.

Yea, I should caveat that total includes a hell of a lot more than tinnitus, and some of the stuff I'm dealing with is equally obscure but a lot more treatable if you can find a competetant provider.

If I was in your boat and had the money for SC21 I might be thinking about it harder. My situation is, I know biomodal worked on me in a trial, and I've also been dealing with this level of tinnitus for 10 years so I don't think I have any "windows closing", and the last decade has, if nothing else, engrained a kind of patience in me that I did not know I was capable of.

Also, I have a kid now, and so I care a lot more about their health than mine. If you'd asked me four years ago, "would you fire a .45 handgun with no earpro inside a brick alley to save your life", I would have said "I really don't know" but if you flip that on its head and say "would you fire a .50 BMG machinegun with no earpro for an entire 200 round belt to save your kid?", the answer is yes without even thinking

biology is weird. On the other hand, I don't have a .45 or a machinegun so hopefully this particular trolley problem doesn't come up, so the practical application of that kind of thinking is -- when I take my kid to the circus, and to concerts, and to all the other stuff my parents took me to -- she wears earpro. You get 'em started young, seems like they don't even object -- I can be grinding coffee in the kitchen and kiddo will ASK me to give them earpro. Nice!

 

[mrbrightside614]

Yea, I should caveat that total includes a hell of a lot more than tinnitus, and some of the stuff I'm dealing with is equally obscure but a lot more treatable if you can find a competetant provider.

If I was in your boat and had the money for SC21 I might be thinking about it harder. My situation is, I know biomodal worked on me in a trial, and I've also been dealing with this level of tinnitus for 10 years so I don't think I have any "windows closing", and the last decade has, if nothing else, engrained a kind of patience in me that I did not know I was capable of.

Also, I have a kid now, and so I care a lot more about their health than mine. If you'd asked me four years ago, "would you fire a .45 handgun with no earpro inside a brick alley to save your life", I would have said "I really don't know" but if you flip that on its head and say "would you fire a .50 BMG machinegun with no earpro for an entire 200 round belt to save your kid?", the answer is yes without even thinking

biology is weird. On the other hand, I don't have a .45 or a machinegun so hopefully this particular trolley problem doesn't come up, so the practical application of that kind of thinking is -- when I take my kid to the circus, and to concerts, and to all the other stuff my parents took me to -- she wears earpro. You get 'em started young, seems like they don't even object -- I can be grinding coffee in the kitchen and kiddo will ASK me to give them earpro. Nice!

To me, it's dependent on their development of the IPSC's of which they're anticipating arrival in 2020. June 2020 will be my one year mark. If appreciable differences are not noted between 8mo-1year like many recovery stories highlight, I will have entirely lost hope and will be in need of significant medical intervention if I'm to have any enjoyment for my many many years to come.

 

[Ed209]

Thanks,

I don't think there would be an overtone so loud it would be damaging. I can definitely still hear high pitch sounds as birdsong and the splash of car tyres on rainy tarmac and wind rustling in the leaves together with the wind rumble, only the latter being louder and low. So it's sort of a situation where I perceive other sounds relatively well.

Am I correct in assuming there couldn't be any loud upper harmonics as they wouldn't allow me to hear higher frequency sounds?

There are far too many variables to be able to answer that, but it seems unlikely. I'm not sure if you've read this already but it gives some lab tested numbers for the decibel levels - from wind exposure - at a cyclists ear.

https://cyclingtips.com/2017/08/listen-cyclists-risk-hearing-loss/

 

[Bartoli]

There are far too many variables to be able to answer that, but it seems unlikely. I'm not sure if you've read this already but it gives some lab tested numbers for the decibel levels - from wind exposure - at a cyclists ear.

Yes, that's what got me kind of worried in the first place. Especially the part that they tested in wind tunnels and out in the open you could be facing a headwind meaning the speeds add up. I mean, 85dB when cycling at 10mph! Who would've thought? And so it turns out it's far from easy to get that number down. How come we don't see an epidemic of deaf cyclists I wonder?

 

[Ed209]

Yes, that's what got me kind of worried in the first place. Especially the part that they tested in wind tunnels and out in the open you could be facing a headwind meaning the speeds add up. I mean, 85dB when cycling at 10mph! Who would've thought? And so it turns out it's far from easy to get that number down. How come we don't see an epidemic of deaf cyclists I wonder?

I had a feeling it might have been.

If you use deflectors like Cat-Ears and earplugs I think that should be plenty in all honesty. I think the most important factor is how long and how often you ride, and this article is referring to riders who use nothing.

I think you could easily get this down to a level where the wind noise would literally have to be constant for 8 hours straight or something, and you'd have to be doing it every day for that long for it to be something to worry about.

If it's true that Cat-Ears reduce wind noise by 40-60% then surely adding earplugs as extra safety is more than enough?

 

[Bartoli]

If it's true that Cat-Ears reduce wind noise by 40-60% then surely adding earplugs

The 60% standpoint is handy for them, but it's actually not that much in dB. A 50% reduction would only mean 10dB.
The thing with earplugs as mentioned earlier in this thread is that the outer tip gets hit by the the wind and transmits the vibrations and also the road chatter in such a way that I'm asking if I'm not better off not wearing them. Also they cut out so much sound that I hear my T very pronounced. Quite Litterally the loudest thing coming into my brain then. From a safety standpoint it's probably not the best of moves either.
I really don't know. Never thought this could be such a hard thing to tackle. Can't stick my head in a fishbowl now can I? The next best thing would probably be a short tail time trial helmet like the Smith Podium TT that covers the ears and has an integrated visor so the air would stream around it nicely. Need to find a way to try one out first as they're mighty expensive and I don't want to find out that it doesn't help. After all it wasn't designed for that purpose...
I gotta say I really appreciate the help and you thinking along with me for solutions @Ed209 and @gorzakus .

 

[Ed209]

The next best thing would probably be a short tail time trial helmet like the Smith Podium TT that covers the ears and has an integrated visor so the air would stream around it nicely. Need to find a way to try one out first as they're mighty expensive and I don't want to find out that it doesn't help. After all it wasn't designed for that purpose...

Sounds like a plan.

 

[Ed209]

@Bartoli,

I found some people discussing this issue on a bike forum (you may have already seen this) and there were some recommendations that may help you.

It seems from the comments here that Specialized helmets are worth researching (the Evade that someone mentioned is a Specialized helmet) and also the swimmers mouldable ear wax. I actually have some of that wax myself and there's various ways you could apply it to block sound.

 

[linearb]

Comedy option : motorcycle helmet.

 

[Bartoli]

It seems from the comments here that Specialized helmets are worth researching (the Evade that someone mentioned is a Specialized helmet) and also the swimmers mouldable ear wax. I actually have some of that wax myself and there's various ways you could apply it to block sound.

Thanks man. I'm going to test a TT Helmet this afternoon. I'll test the wax plugs. A time trial helmet and wax plugs that make you pedal faster due to lack of wind noise I need to work on my chops to go with the props! Can't afford to be slow now.

In all fairness I have already used the wax plugs and found them to create some sort of suction due to the denser material. Every time I'd hit even a minor pothole or uneven surface it would go wududududu in my ear. Like when you manipulate earplugs. I really hope to find some way to attenuate the wind noise without plugging up. Hoping the TT helmet works! Thanks again for digging around so much for me! I'll report back for other users if I find something that works.

 

[Bartoli]

Comedy option : motorcycle helmet

The thing is that even that doesn't help them enough at motorbike speeds. They need to wear earplugs underneath! So I wonder if a helmet that will cover the ears would be enough for me. How about all those speed pedelec users going at 45kph? I imagine that it must be quite loud for them too. Many tend to wear these helmets with a visor that look like scooter helmets, but I doubt it's for noise reasons.

 

[Ed209]

Comedy option : motorcycle helmet.

I thought of that as well Imagine riding down the road on a push-bike in a motorcycle helmet. He could even put a plastic cup against the back wheel to get that awesome motorbike sound

 

[Bartoli]

I thought of that as well Imagine riding down the road on a push-bike in a motorcycle helmet. He could even put a plastic cup against the back wheel to get that awesome motorbike sound

Don't just imagine.
Do it.