Where on My Head Would Trauma Damage the Auditory Cortex?

[Gl0w0ut]

Since tinnitus is the result of hyperactivity in the auditory cortex, I have long sought treatment that greatly antagonizes neurons (such as cleaving synapses off or tearing the mylein sheath apart) to hurt the previous neural connection that brain so desperately wants so that glowing auditory cortex begins to go dark and never light up again.

I don't have the money to go to Asia and bombard it (and any tissue the brain might use to compensate or replace the damage neural clusters, because the goal to to recreate the gap in hearing AND deprive the brain of an ability to compensate) with radiation. So I will have to use the old fashion cave man method of whacking the side of my head where the auditory cortex is closest to the skull in hopes of causing irreversible damage. I have looked at some diagrams showing it in the brain and both are located on the edge of the brain, so it has no other tissue too hide behind. I just want a better idea of where on my head I can whack or cut so as to damage it.

 

[BreachOfEuphoria]

Hi Gl0w0ut.
I am sorry to hear that you are so desperate that you want to do this.
You should really think twice before trying such a thing. Your chances of getting rid of your tinnitus, using the cave man method, are non-existent IMO.

I am going to be a bit cynical here but i am trying to also be realistic; Imagine yourself waking up after this, still with the exact same level of tinnitus but also with speech problems, eye problems and memory problems.

Please man, take care of yourself.

 

[Gl0w0ut]

Hi Gl0w0ut.
I am sorry to hear that you are so desperate that you want to do this.
You should really think twice before trying such a thing. Your chances of getting rid of your tinnitus, using the cave man method, are non-existent IMO.

I am going to be a bit cynical here but i am trying to also be realistic; Imagine yourself waking up after this, still with the exact same level of tinnitus but also with speech problems, eye problems and memory problems.

Please man, take care of yourself.

The Broca's and Wernickle Speech area as well as the visual cortexes are far enough away from the auditory cortex.

 

[threefirefour]

I don't know if this will work because tinnitus can centralize. This means that removing the auditory cortex or destroying it will not get rid of chronic tinnitus. There's been experiments on rats and removing their auditory cortex only relieves them of tinnitus before 5 months.

 

[Tinker Bell]

Damage to the myelin sheathe is likely to cause more tinnitus. And @threefirefour is right, damage to auditory cortex will not remove nor decrease tinnitus.

A couple years ago I lost my eyesight for a few months. At the time, we did not know the exact cause nor were we certain my vision would return. I could not drive, read or watch TV. I could not work and caring for my children was difficult. My brain responded to the vision loss by giving me frequent fireworks shows and bright flashing lights that zigged across the darkness in my eyes.

We now know damage to my optic nerve was the cause and while it did repair, some lasting damage to the mylein remains. If I'd attempted to further damage my eyes or brain, it would not have given me any relief. It would not have punished my brain, it would have punished me.

 

[threefirefour]

Damage to the myelin sheathe is likely to cause more tinnitus. And @threefirefour is right, damage to auditory cortex will not remove nor decrease tinnitus.

A couple years ago I lost my eyesight for a few months. At the time, we did not know the exact cause nor were we certain my vision would return. I could not drive, read or watch TV. I could not work and caring for my children was difficult. My brain responded to the vision loss by giving me frequent fireworks shows and bright flashing lights that zigged across the darkness in my eyes.

We now know damage to my optic nerve was the cause and while it did repair, some lasting damage to the mylein remains. If I'd attempted to further damage my eyes or brain, it would not have given me any relief. It would not have punished my brain, it would have punished me.

Do you still get visual snow? Try a sub-occipital release massage. I used to get VS and not it's almost completely gone after I did that. Apparently it works for most people with VS who try it.

 

[Tinker Bell]

Do you still get visual snow? Try a sub-occipital release massage. I used to get VS and not it's almost completely gone after I did that. Apparently it works for most people with VS who try it.

I'm not sure if it's VS, but I do have many floaters clouding my vision. I have since I was a little kid. I have awful eyesight. Thank you for the suggestion!

 

[Gl0w0ut]

Damage to the myelin sheathe is likely to cause more tinnitus. And @threefirefour is right, damage to auditory cortex will not remove nor decrease tinnitus.

A couple years ago I lost my eyesight for a few months. At the time, we did not know the exact cause nor were we certain my vision would return. I could not drive, read or watch TV. I could not work and caring for my children was difficult. My brain responded to the vision loss by giving me frequent fireworks shows and bright flashing lights that zigged across the darkness in my eyes.

We now know damage to my optic nerve was the cause and while it did repair, some lasting damage to the mylein remains. If I'd attempted to further damage my eyes or brain, it would not have given me any relief. It would not have punished my brain, it would have punished me.

I Ignored threefour so I cannot see what he posts, just FYI.

As for the myelin sheath, it is damaged in the case of MS. However, those occur in neurons across the entire brain. If I were to destroy or damage the ones just in the auditory cortex, it seems unlikely that I would lose vision or memory. Maybe auditory memory but that is it. The auditory cortex of a tinnitus patient is lit up like a Christmas tree, so something has to be done to darken it again. We never truly know how important a part of the brain is until it is damaged or lesioned. Perhaps we could learn something from my experience.

 

[threefirefour]

I'm not sure if it's VS, but I do have many floaters clouding my vision. I have since I was a little kid. I have awful eyesight. Thank you for the suggestion!

This is a pretty extreme example, but do you have "grainy" vision like watching an old TV set? That's VS. I used to have this and the floaters before the sub-occipital release. Apparently it's common with tinnitus.

It didn't get rid of the floaters completely, but it made them less, thinned out the lines, and got rid of my dark floaters.

as for Gl0w0ut ignoring me he's just buttblasted I gave him the worst internet smackdown of his existence the day before yesterday lol.

 

[Tinker Bell]

I Ignored threefour so I cannot see what he posts, just FYI.

As for the myelin sheath, it is damaged in the case of MS. However, those occur in neurons across the entire brain. If I were to destroy or damage the ones just in the auditory cortex, it seems unlikely that I would lose vision or memory. Maybe auditory memory but that is it. The auditory cortex of a tinnitus patient is lit up like a Christmas tree, so something has to be done to darken it again. We never truly know how important a part of the brain is until it is damaged or lesioned. Perhaps we could learn something from my experience.

What @threefirefour said was helpful. Studies show that removing or damaging the auditory cortex does not remove or lessen tinnitus.

Mylein sheathe can be damaged in multiple conditions, not just MS. Viruses and the flu can damage it as well.

I definitely can relate to your frustration. On a thread a few months ago, members talked about the negativity they felt towards their ears. Your brain and auditory system are doing what they are programmed to do, unfortunately it's not what we want it to do. The message is getting mixed up, and causing more damage is likely to make it confuse that message even more.

Wish I had some better advice.

 

[Gl0w0ut]

What @threefirefour said was helpful. Studies show that removing or damaging the auditory cortex does not remove or lessen tinnitus.

Mylein sheathe can be damaged in multiple conditions, not just MS. Viruses and the flu can damage it as well.

I definitely can relate to your frustration. On a thread a few months ago, members talked about the negativity they felt towards their ears. Your brain and auditory system are doing what they are programmed to do, unfortunately it's not what we want it to do. The message is getting mixed up, and causing more damage is likely to make it confuse that message even more.

Wish I had some better advice.

I refuse to accept that. I refuse to accept that we cannot force the brain against its will to recreate the imbalance it is so desperately trying correct, but in a flawed way. The brain's inner mechanisms are crucial to this homeostatic response, so my hope is to one day take control away from the brain. For acute tinnitus sufferers of the future, the drug AM-101 provides hope to stopping that by suppressing certain cell firings in the brain, thus denying its defense against hearing loss. I applaud this effort and hope that for chronic sufferers we can one day deprive the brain of its ability to "heal". Since I cannot get rid of it, I will think of more ways to hurt the brain and deprive it of crucial functions. My first idea will be the Area Postrema in the medulla, so when I eat too more or eat something bad, the brain cannot force myself to get rid of it by vomitting.

 

[threefirefour]

I refuse to accept that. I refuse to accept that we cannot force the brain against its will to recreate the imbalance it is so desperately trying correct, but in a flawed way. The brain's inner mechanisms are crucial to this homeostatic response, so my hope is to one day take control away from the brain. For acute tinnitus sufferers of the future, the drug AM-101 provides hope to stopping that by suppressing certain cell firings in the brain, thus denying its defense against hearing loss. I applaud this effort and hope that for chronic sufferers we can one day deprive the brain of its ability to "heal". Since I cannot get rid of it, I will think of more ways to hurt the brain and deprive it of crucial functions. My first idea will be the Area Postrema in the medulla, so when I eat too more or eat something bad, the brain cannot force myself to get rid of it by vomitting.

Dude, you legit have mental problems. I don't care if you can see my comment, but I'm still gonna say it.

 

[Nick07]

@Glowout from what I tell you've only had tinnitus for a few months. There's lots of better, less self-destructive methods to pursue than destroying your auditory cortex. I'm not saying you will get the results you want, but some people have or have at least had improvements. I doubt you've had time to give much of anything a fair chance.

To be honest I really dislike people's opinion that the brain is at fault rather than damaged nerves.

 

[Nick07]

I don't know if this will work because tinnitus can centralize. This means that removing the auditory cortex or destroying it will not get rid of chronic tinnitus. There's been experiments on rats and removing their auditory cortex only relieves them of tinnitus before 5 months.

You can't really ask the rats if they still hear the tinnitus after being lobotomized. The researchers are making assumption with what that brain activity means. There's no proof unless it's done on a human, who can answer whether it's gone or not.

 

[threefirefour]

You can't really ask the rats if they still hear the tinnitus after being lobotomized. The researchers are making assumption with what that brain activity means. There's no proof unless it's done on a human, who can answer whether it's gone or not.

The researcher stated that the rats don't "display tinnitus symptoms". Whatever that means.

 

[Nick07]

The researcher stated that the rats don't "display tinnitus symptoms". Whatever that means.

I'm confused. Didn't your first post state that the tinnitus had "centralized" after 5 months, meaning it persisted despite the removal of the auditory cortex? Also I have no idea what they classify as tinnitus symptoms as no one knows I have tinnitus unless I tell them. I even remind my Mom when I see her, because she can't remember. Are mice that much better at showing signs?

 

[threefirefour]

I'm confused. Didn't your first post state that the tinnitus had "centralized" after 5 months, meaning it persisted despite the removal of the auditory cortex? Also I have no idea what they classify as tinnitus symptoms as no one knows I have tinnitus unless I tell them. I even remind my Mom when I see her, because she can't remember. Are mice that much better at showing signs?

I assume this means stuff like insomnia. The tinnitus centralized after five months. This means that in rats where they removed the audiatory cortex before then, they stopped showing these symptoms. If they did it afterward of five months these symptoms persisted, suggesting the tinnitus was still present.

 

[Nick07]

I assume this means stuff like insomnia. The tinnitus centralized after five months. This means that in rats where they removed the audiatory cortex before then, they stopped showing these symptoms. If they did it afterward of five months these symptoms persisted, suggesting the tinnitus was still present.

If it's just insomnia, I think that would persist just out of habit. Though I can't really speak of insomnia. I never wanted to sleep unless I was actually tired. Tinnitus just made that tendency far worse.

 

[Layla23]

Damage to the myelin sheathe is likely to cause more tinnitus. And @threefirefour is right, damage to auditory cortex will not remove nor decrease tinnitus.

A couple years ago I lost my eyesight for a few months. At the time, we did not know the exact cause nor were we certain my vision would return. I could not drive, read or watch TV. I could not work and caring for my children was difficult. My brain responded to the vision loss by giving me frequent fireworks shows and bright flashing lights that zigged across the darkness in my eyes.

We now know damage to my optic nerve was the cause and while it did repair, some lasting damage to the mylein remains. If I'd attempted to further damage my eyes or brain, it would not have given me any relief. It would not have punished my brain, it would have punished me.

I'm so sorry to reply to an old thread but I am currently losing my vision to the "fireworks" and visual snow. I also have tinnitus and H from multiple acoustic traumas.


How did you convince your doctors to treat your eyesight? I also believe it's an issue of the myelin of the nerves. What tests did they do on you?

 

[Tinker Bell]

I'm so sorry to reply to an old thread but I am currently losing my vision to the "fireworks" and visual snow. I also have tinnitus and H from multiple acoustic traumas.


How did you convince your doctors to treat your eyesight? I also believe it's an issue of the myelin of the nerves. What tests did they do on you?

There was no need to convince them, it was obvious I was unable to see. The "fireworks" were not occasional — which can be normal — but nonstop. I completely failed color and vision exams. They asked me to read letters and I asked them what letters, I could not see them. Oh and my pupil in the blind eye did not dilate.

My ophthalmologist could see the eye floaters with a simple exam. From an Optic Coherence Tomography my retinal specialist could see the vitreous gel separating from my eye. That is actually a normal process, but it typically happens in our 60s or 70s. It also normally happens without severe symptoms.

Because my symptoms were so severe, my retinal specialist conducted an optical angiogram and saw me weekly, then every other week and finally monthly. Now I see him annually. I also had an ocular MRI.

Later I underwent optical nerve testing, which indicated nerve damage and finally pinpointed the cause of my temporary vision loss.

Also, there was nothing to treat. We simply monitored. In retrospect we now know it was optical neuritis rather than vitreous gel separation. Optical steroid injections are sometimes used in those situations, but their success is not a guarantee.

Have you seen an ophthalmologist?

 

[FGG]

Do you still get visual snow? Try a sub-occipital release massage. I used to get VS and not it's almost completely gone after I did that. Apparently it works for most people with VS who try it.

Wait... what? How/why does this work? Is your VS still gone?

 

[threefirefour]

Wait... what? How/why does this work? Is your VS still gone?

The Massage only works for a while it seems. Still have VS

 

[FGG]

The Massage only works for a while it seems. Still have VS

What's a while? I miss seeing stars.

 

[threefirefour]

What's a while? I miss seeing stars.

Was down for a good week I'd say.

The VSI is working on a treatment that will probably release in two months. Maybe that's worth keeping up with.

 

[FGG]

Was down for a good week I'd say.

The VSI is working on a treatment that will probably release in two months. Maybe that's worth keeping up with.

Omg! Really? Is this treatment promising? Can you post any links please!

 

[threefirefour]

Omg! Really? Is this treatment promising? Can you post any links please!

Here's them discussing the program:
https://www.visualsnowinitiative.or...e-visual-snow-initiatives-project-vip-launch/