Why Doesn't Someone Make a Cheap Over the Ear White Noise Generator?

[jjflyman]

I was thinking of an over the ear white noise generator that is cheap (maybe under $50) that just played a white or pink noise to drown out your tinnitus.

I don't see such a thing available. The only ones I even see are very expensive and you need a doctor to set it up.

 

[GregCA]

I was thinking of an over the ear white noise generator that is cheap (maybe under $50) that just played a white or pink noise to drown out your tinnitus.

I don't see such a thing available. The only ones I even see are very expensive and you need a doctor to set it up.

You can use headphones and play white/pink/colored noise through them from your phone. White/pink/purple/brown/colored noise doesn't need a doctor to set it up as it is not patient specific. If you need a patient specific sound (such as notched or windowed white noise) then yes, you need outside assistance.

 

[BobbyH]

You can also download apps designed to be used with hearing aids but will also push through headphones as @GregCA suggests. The one I use alongside my built in masker program is from Resound. They have an app for iPhone and Android. Just hit + for a new profile, go to 3rd tab called "therapeutic" and choice the colored noise you want.

https://www.resound.com/en-us/hearing-aids/apps/relief

 

[Tinker Bell]

You can also download apps designed to be used with hearing aids but will also push through headphones as @GregCA suggests. The one I use alongside my built in masker program is from Resound. They have an app for iPhone and Android. Just hit + for a new profile, go to 3rd tab called "therapeutic" and choice the colored noise you want.

https://www.resound.com/en-us/hearing-aids/apps/relief

I use this app, too. I felt the app allows far more customization than the limited options offered by the hearing aids I tried. It's not difficult to keep the volume right below tinnitus. Several of the audiologists that I saw actually recommended using an app versus a WNG. They said with today's app and speaker technology (yay for Bose), the results would be the same but the cost would obviously be significantly better.

 

[glynis]

 

[jjflyman]

@glynis
Yeah, I was thinking of something that went behind or over your ear (like the older style hearing aids), not necessarily "in" your ear canal.
It would play white noise or something at a safe volume.
I was just thinking something like that might benefit a lot of T sufferers, letting them be mobile and still have a distraction from their T

 

[Michael Leigh]

I was thinking of an over the ear white noise generator that is cheap (maybe under $50) that just played a white or pink noise to drown out your tinnitus.

I don't see such a thing available. The only ones I even see are very expensive and you need a doctor to set it up.

@jjflyman

I have used white noise generators for 22 years and have a lot of experience with them and have tried various models. One gets what they pay for. A cheaper alternative would be using a sound app or alternative source through headphones which I don't advise especially for someone with "noise induced tinnitus". For other types of tinnitus this may suffice but I deal with noise induced tinnitus because I'm familiar with it and note your tinnitus was caused by noise trauma. White, pink, brown noise played through headphones into the ear, even at low volume will sound harsh, crude and abrasive compared to the smooth gentle sound of white or pink noise delivered into the ear by a device, that is specifically made for this purpose. It's audio range will be properly regulated which cannot be matched using headphones. Believe me I've tried it - because people with noise trauma usually have an overly sensitive auditory system especially when hyperacusis is present, this is further reason, I recommend using the correct device for supplying white noise into the ear.

Before anyone says: it's alright for you because your WNGs were supplied free on the NHS. Indeed they were but our healthcare system is funded through our national insurance contributions and I've paid my way. Because I didn't want to wear BTE (Behind The Ear) white noise generators on the street since they closely resemble hearing aids. I don't have long hair to help cover them. I purchased privately, smaller and more discrete in-ear white noise generators that fit in the entrance to the ear canal and can hardly be seen. They are fitted with a volume control and operate in exactly the same way as BTE white noise generators. They deliver smooth gentle sound to the ears and auditory system.

Michael

 

[Michael B]

I was fortunate enough to have insurance that paid for my ReSound hearing aid (despite the fact that my hear isn't all that bad) and I use its Bluetooth function to listen to sounds that help deflect my attention from my tinnitus. I love it and don't know where I'd be without it.

 

[GregCA]

Yeah, I was thinking of something that went behind or over your ear (like the older style hearing aids), not necessarily "in" your ear canal.

There's a lot of Bluetooth ear pieces to choose from. They can be used to pick up phone calls but they can also be used to play sounds from your phone, including colored sounds. Some are discrete, others a bit more futuristic and obvious.

 

[JasonP]

I was thinking of an over the ear white noise generator that is cheap (maybe under $50) that just played a white or pink noise to drown out your tinnitus.

I don't see such a thing available. The only ones I even see are very expensive and you need a doctor to set it up.

I totally understand what you are saying. That would be really helpful.

I was thinking of an over the ear white noise generator that is cheap (maybe under $50) that just played a white or pink noise to drown out your tinnitus.

I don't see such a thing available. The only ones I even see are very expensive and you need a doctor to set it up.

Okay, a thought just occurred to me today that you could buy a cheap used hearing aid on ebay and have a local guy program the masker for you. Of course you would need to make sure that the particular hearing aid had masking capabilities but you could find that through online literature or brochures. The other thing you could do is see if the person selling the hearing aids on ebay could program it for various masking frequencies depending on the amount of programs that hearing aid had. I also saw services on there offering programming for people who had aids. It could be a LOT cheaper doing that then buying a new pair at a hearing aid center.

 

[John Meyers]

I totally understand what you are saying. That would be really helpful.


Okay, a thought just occurred to me today that you could buy a cheap used hearing aid on ebay and have a local guy program the masker for you. Of course you would need to make sure that the particular hearing aid had masking capabilities but you could find that through online literature or brochures. The other thing you could do is see if the person selling the hearing aids on ebay could program it for various masking frequencies depending on the amount of programs that hearing aid had. I also saw services on there offering programming for people who had aids. It could be a LOT cheaper doing that then buying a new pair at a hearing aid center.

Hello Jason,

Did anyone ever point you in the right direction on this?

I've been wanting to invent an earpiece specifically for T masking but keep getting sidetracked. -- It would need to sell for less than $50 and I have the marketing know-how to get the word out.

I found one being sold in Europe for $400 but that seems to be the only thing out there.

Thanks,
John

 

[Tinniger]

My personal experience is that (even quiet) masking makes my tinnitus really loud, no matter if it comes from headphones and the Internet or from the most expensive hearing aids on the market (which I have).
I think masking is just a way of temporary relief, not a way to healing.

 

[JasonP]

Hello Jason,

Did anyone ever point you in the right direction on this?

I've been wanting to invent an earpiece specifically for T masking but keep getting sidetracked. -- It would need to sell for less than $50 and I have the marketing know-how to get the word out.

I found one being sold in Europe for $400 but that seems to be the only thing out there.

Thanks,
John

Unfortunately, I am not aware of any stand alone masking device that goes on like a hearing aid. That would be fantastic if you could get it made and sell it under $50!! If you do, please let us know.

 

[John Meyers]

Unfortunately, I am not aware of any stand alone masking device that goes on like a hearing aid. That would be fantastic if you could get it made and sell it under $50!! If you do, please let us know.

I will research and see if I can present it to some kind of investor finance group to develop.

Just being able to wear one for a few hours a day without needing to deal with my smart phone would be great..

I was doing pretty well until I was exposed to a loud environment 2 weeks ago and now I feel like I'm back to where I was 3 years ago.. :-(

 

[JohnAdams]

Why cant they just make a drug that regrows our cochlear hair cells?

 

[JasonP]

I will research and see if I can present it to some kind of investor finance group to develop.

Just being able to wear one for a few hours a day without needing to deal with my smart phone would be great..

I was doing pretty well until I was exposed to a loud environment 2 weeks ago and now I feel like I'm back to where I was 3 years ago.. :-(

Oh wow..I am so sorry to hear that John. I sincerely hope the tinnitus will go back down for you asap. I know it can be tough. Thanks for trying to put this together.

 

[John Meyers]

Oh wow..I am so sorry to hear that John. I sincerely hope the tinnitus will go back down for you asap. I know it can be tough. Thanks for trying to put this together.

Thanks Jason. -- I am doing better today.

Masking and eating healthy really helps me get back on track and out of depression.

I will update you soon on my masking ear piece idea. -- It's a long shot but I know it would help thousands of T sufferers..

 

[Rajin]

discrete in-ear white noise generators that fit in the entrance to the ear canal and ca

Hi can you tell me the brand for this? I use over the ears. I'd like to get one of these small noise generator. Thanks.

 

[Michael Leigh]

Hi can you tell me the brand for this? I use over the ears. I'd like to get one of these small noise generator. Thanks.

I use the smallest in-ear white noise generators available that are made by: Puretone. Model MM10 Non digital. If you purchase the digital model DAC TRT it needs to be taken to an Audiologist to be set up. I don't think a digital model is necessary. My BTE white noise generators are digital and were set up on a computer by my Audiologist whilst I wore them to tailor the sound to my needs. My MM10s (non digital) work just as well. Various outputs are available but 60db output is the standard and it's what I use.

Puretone sell, MM1 and MM2, MM8 which are slightly larger and cheaper than the MM10.

Although one white noise generator can be worn, it is recommended two should be used to keep the auditory system in balance. The link below will take you to the website.

http://www.puretoneretail.net/tinnitus.html


Michael

 

[Rajin]

@Michael Leigh thank you.

 

[JasonP]

Thanks Jason. -- I am doing better today.

Masking and eating healthy really helps me get back on track and out of depression.

I will update you soon on my masking ear piece idea. -- It's a long shot but I know it would help thousands of T sufferers..

Hey John, I just thought an interesting features that the masker could have. What about a hearing aid masker that had various sounds either built in or downloadable but were able to be frequency adjustable by a wifi app? Many of the hearing aids today have various types of "white noise" built in but not many that I know of have advanced sound generators. Some of the hearing aids have bluetooth streaming from the smartphone but it really drains the hearing aid batteries.

If you need some help with making the sounds, you could talk to Stephane Pigeon. Maybe he could help. When I was really suffering with tinnitus, his sound generating website really helped me a lot. His website is mynoise.net. I can't speak for him of course but I figured I would mention this to you and also that if your own tinnitus gets really bad you can download the mynoise app or go to the website for some decent masking.

 

[John Meyers]

Hey John, I just thought an interesting features that the masker could have. What about a hearing aid masker that had various sounds either built in or downloadable but were able to be frequency adjustable by a wifi app? Many of the hearing aids today have various types of "white noise" built in but not many that I know of have advanced sound generators. Some of the hearing aids have bluetooth streaming from the smartphone but it really drains the hearing aid batteries.

If you need some help with making the sounds, you could talk to Stephane Pigeon. Maybe he could help. When I was really suffering with tinnitus, his sound generating website really helped me a lot. His website is mynoise.net. I can't speak for him of course but I figured I would mention this to you and also that if your own tinnitus gets really bad you can download the mynoise app or go to the website for some decent masking.

Thank you Jason.

I will check that out for sure.

I've been trying to figure out how to get investors interested in an ear piece masker and Stephane would be a good place to start as I prepare a business plan.

My real estate business has been picking up so that is sort of sidetracking me but I will get on it again soon. -- The T in my head is a constant reminder.

Also, I'm still dealing with a spike since Halloween and my latest attempt to lower it is to eat better and excercise. -- I'm hoping my bad eating and weight gain is what caused the spike and not my friend showing off his car stereo to me without my ear plugs..

 

[JasonP]

Thank you Jason.

I will check that out for sure.

I've been trying to figure out how to get investors interested in an ear piece masker and Stephane would be a good place to start as I prepare a business plan.

My real estate business has been picking up so that is sort of sidetracking me but I will get on it again soon. -- The T in my head is a constant reminder.

Also, I'm still dealing with a spike since Halloween and my latest attempt to lower it is to eat better and excercise. -- I'm hoping my bad eating and weight gain is what caused the spike and not my friend showing off his car stereo to me without my ear plugs..

You are very welcome! Please let us know how your conversation with Staphane goes.

Since this masking device would be similar to the way a hearing aid would look, and would have some of the same parts, I have a link to an article that may help you out. It's by Maxim Integrated (an American company that sells electronic chips) that talks about design considerations when building a hearing aid. It includes a block diagram of a hearing aid and some of the parts that would be needed along with links where you can request free sample parts. Perhaps someone at the company could email you what they think it would cost to make such a device and give you some design ideas. It's just a thought. If it isn't useful, I apologize. I really appreciate you putting this idea on Tinnitus Talk.

https://pdfserv.maximintegrated.com/en/an/AN4691.pdf

I really hope your spike goes down asap!!

 

[John Meyers]

You are very welcome! Please let us know how your conversation with Staphane goes.

Since this masking device would be similar to the way a hearing aid would look, and would have some of the same parts, I have a link to an article that may help you out. It's by Maxim Integrated (an American company that sells electronic chips) that talks about design considerations when building a hearing aid. It includes a block diagram of a hearing aid and some of the parts that would be needed along with links where you can request free sample parts. Perhaps someone at the company could email you what they think it would cost to make such a device and give you some design ideas. It's just a thought. If it isn't useful, I apologize. I really appreciate you putting this idea on Tinnitus Talk.

https://pdfserv.maximintegrated.com/en/an/AN4691.pdf

I really hope your spike goes down asap!!

Thanks Jason! -- You are a wealth of information!

I will dig into this and get back to you soon.

 

[JasonP]

Thanks Jason! -- You are a wealth of information!

I will dig into this and get back to you soon.

You are very welcome!

 

[JasonP]

Thanks Jason! -- You are a wealth of information!

I will dig into this and get back to you soon.

One other thing I wanted to tell you. Hopefully this device could be built in America but if all else fails due to economic reasons, parts could be bought in China and then the maskers could be assembled in the USA. For example, you could buy something like these hearing aid shells in China:

https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...pm=a2700.7724857.normalList.14.26784234DssvuE

OR you could buy a custom plastic injection mold from China for the masker's "shells" and give the mold to a company here in the U.S. to make the shells.

Anyways, I hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving!

 

[John Meyers]

One other thing I wanted to tell you. Hopefully this device could be built in America but if all else fails due to economic reasons, parts could be bought in China and then the maskers could be assembled in the USA. For example, you could buy something like these hearing aid shells in China:

https://www.alibaba.com/product-det...pm=a2700.7724857.normalList.14.26784234DssvuE

OR you could buy a custom plastic injection mold from China for the masker's "shells" and give the mold to a company here in the U.S. to make the shells.

Anyways, I hope you have a Happy Thanksgiving!

Thank you Jason. I actually have a friend who owns a plastics molding company down near St Louis, Missouri.

I really appreciate your help with this and will get back to you soon.

What country are you in?

 

[JasonP]

Thank you Jason. I actually have a friend who owns a plastics molding company down near St Louis, Missouri.

I really appreciate your help with this and will get back to you soon.

What country are you in?

Oh wow that is awesome! I'm in the United States.

 

[Telis]

interesting article on white noise:

https://journals.lww.com/thehearingjournal/blog/breakingnews/Pages/post.aspx?PostID=209