We are living in a backwards part of human history with one of its key gimmicks being medical science is primitive.
Eh, I think it would be more effective than you think. I don't smoke, because I could see myself getting cancer from it. Also, it's a money drain. If they approached hearing loss a similar way, I would have been more careful around it too.
That can probably be objectively proved. Let's say there were sent to Irak to search for the non-existent weapons of mass destruction and they got blasted by an explosion there. Pretty easy to get hearing problems after that.The government already pays disability to soldiers with extreme tinnitus
Yeah, well, Hearing Loss can be debilitating. Tinnitus is a symptom of that. The problem is, we have a "treatment" for hearing loss in terms of hearing aids. Also, for the general public, it is just an inconvenience. It's what they get after a loud rock show, and then it goes away. Somewhere between 1 in 5 or 1 in 10 people have tinnitus, and many have the easier masked kind, and they don't worry about it after. Some get lucky with the tone they hear, and so it's not a big deal. Other's, it can wreck. We need effective PSA's or explanations of it to people by either those with bigger platforms or from doctors. Personally, I think it's criminal that we don't actually explain it more.I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like a large portion of why more isn't done/known about tinnitus is because it's not looked at as something as debilitating or life altering. The general consensus among the public feels like it's viewed as an inconvenience more than anything.
I still stand by what I've said in other threads. I do not care that for the vast majority it's only a soft tone they usually only hear in silence. I really don't. While I'm happy for them, it makes all of us look like we're pathetic for not being able to deal with it because they don't realise it's much more severe for me. My friends with tinnitus thankfully all do recognise mine is much more severe and that it sucks.
But by treating this condition from the most mild cases rather than the more severe cases... it won't ever be a priority. And you don't often see that happen to other conditions... although many neurological conditions as a whole are treated as a bit of a joke.
Or can be a precursor to other issues such as hyperacusis. I got mild tinnitus years before hyperacusis and if I had known then what I do now I could probably have prevented developing hyperacusis.Although I agree, it does make it difficult, even mild cases should be seen as hearing damage and a cause of concern. That means it can get worse if the issue isn't addressed.
You're definitely right - the issue is just that since many cases are mild people don't realise what the damage really is... but since that's the standard we are definitely not taken seriously. It's an issue for both ''groups''. I definitely see them as hearing damage personally, but the majority just doesn't or doesn't care... and that's where we hurt even more, you know?Although I agree, it does make it difficult, even mild cases should be seen as hearing damage and a cause of concern. That means it can get worse if the issue isn't addressed.
Those warnings suck. They give no context, and just warn that "Hey, this could make your hearing worse in the future." That would be like if we just had the surgeon general warning on cigarette's and didn't have any other campaign associated with them. No end smoking campaigns, no TRUTH campaign, no health classes going over the impacts of smoking, no startling showing of smokers using a voice box. No news media bringing up how deadly smoking is, or characters in television being disgusted by smoking. If you remove those campaigns, I don't think that the public would have changed their minds anywhere near as much. BUT, because of all those things, we have only 14% of the population that smokes. And because I'm suspect of that data with regards to vaping, we went from 42% of adults smoking in 1965 to 23% in 2000%. In fact, this study agrees that it would have been far less effective. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1653696/?page=5So, If I am understanding this correctly. You are suggesting institutionalizing hearing loss education by coordinating government, institutional, and private entities? I don't see it happening; too ideological. People can't even get it into their heads to wear a facemask to prevent the spread of COVID-19 in the US where daily data is presented to them via the media, government, and private entities coordinating.
In a lot of ways what you're describing is happening, since the 1990's; Music player / phone makes issue warnings. There are warnings for tools about hearing loss. The WHO claims that Hearing Loss is the #2 economic health threat, only behind global warning. YET, research has indicated that hearing loss and tinnitus are on the rise amongst a younger demographic and is expected to increase over the next 20 years. So, it doesn't seem to be enough just to take the pamphlet and questionnaire approach.
Plus, its impossible to prevent accidents/environmental factors where hearing loss unfortunately occurs; Airbags come to mind, or living near a railway or construction zone. Occupational / military situations.
Giving private practices new tools/techniques to gain repeat business is far a better fit for the current model. Potential for profit drives adoption in this industry.
This is the warning that we need. I hate how they just talk about loud noise causing hearing loss but don't mention you can get other symptoms such as hyperacusis and tinnitus.I also think one of the core issues regarding lack of education about hearing loss is that so many people have this misconception that hearing loss is a relatively straightforward phenomenon and it just involves everything sounding quieter. Or that it can be easily 'fixed' with a hearing aid like it is with glasses. Not many people seem to be aware that it can induce distortions, hyperacusis, raging tinnitus etc.
This!! I think most people are aware loud noises are dangerous and just believe that when they're 60 they won't be able to hear well and can just get a hearing aid.I also think one of the core issues regarding lack of education about hearing loss is that so many people have this misconception that hearing loss is a relatively straightforward phenomenon and it just involves everything sounding quieter. Or that it can be easily 'fixed' with a hearing aid like it is with glasses. Not many people seem to be aware that it can induce distortions, hyperacusis, raging tinnitus etc.
Yup totally agree - people think hearing loss is a problem for me in 20 years down the line, not today or tomorrow or next week. So many people aren't aware that noise doesn't have to reach the threshold of pain (120dB in healthy ears) to cause damage - it starts at 85dB or maybe even lower. Prolonged listening can be harmful too.This!! I think most people are aware loud noises are dangerous and just believe that when they're 60 they won't be able to hear well and can just get a hearing aid.
The problem is most people aren't aware of what's actually dangerously loud. We assume "dangerous" is something like working a job that involves a drill or a heavy metal musician.
We don't give a second thought to bars, concerts, standing by a speaker at a wedding, street construction, train noise, etc. There aren't really any warnings about using headphones too long or too loud. No one informs you of decibel levels, or that duration of exposure matters.
How many of us probably wouldn't have been in the position that we're in now had we just been well informed about these issues. Sure there are people who would say f it and continue abusing their ears. But similar to cigarettes, there are those who would take the dangerous seriously.
As someone who love music and concerts, seeing a documentary about teens/people in their 20's with crippling hyperacusis and tinnitus would have scared the hell out of me 100%, and I probably wouldn't be part of that statistic now had I been well informed that both tinnitus & hyperacusis are very real and very possible.
Exactly. What's really annoying is seeing all the resources that they've made to try to raise awareness on the issue now. Like the CDC has a video on it that's just terrible, showing a guy just listening to loud music in his headphones and his hair cells being damaged. It lacks the human aspect of the anti smoking ads. We don't learn anything about him. Also, it misses out how loud everyday things are.Yup totally agree - people think hearing loss is a problem for me in 20 years down the line, not today or tomorrow or next week. So many people aren't aware that noise doesn't have to reach the threshold of pain (120dB in healthy ears) to cause damage - it starts at 85dB or maybe even lower. Prolonged listening can be harmful too.
Yeah, there's no context to it. You can't escape noise, particularly in today's society thus hearing disorders can be profoundly life-altering. Navigating daily life becomes a minefield when you have tinnitus and hyperacusis and hearing loss can really lead to social isolation etc and cut you off from friends and hobbies. If these were highlighted then it makes it more 'real' and not just some abstract concern.Exactly. What's really annoying is seeing all the resources that they've made to try to raise awareness on the issue now. Like the CDC has a video on it that's just terrible, showing a guy just listening to loud music in his headphones and his hair cells being damaged. It lacks the human aspect of the anti smoking ads. We don't learn anything about him. Also, it misses out how loud everyday things are.
Absolutely they should be educating about it in health classes. I know that in my state, they expanded the number of times they test hearing on students from 1 to three times, but actually going over it in health class would help. That and a concentrated effort by ads to get those out of school updated on the health knowledge. Either ads or doctors.There is a lack of education during our school days in regards to tinnitus and hearing damage. In the US (I'm not sure about the rest of the world), we get mandatory health classes during elementary and high school. They did not and they still do not (I have nieces in elementary and high school) educate about hearing damage from common sources like headphones, concerts, firecrackers, or other loud noise sources, and ear infections.
When I was growing up, the only awareness that I knew of about tinnitus was that Beethoven had a "ringing" in his ear. I had never heard of anything else about tinnitus before.
When I developed tinnitus, I did not even know it was called tinnitus until I searched up "ringing in the ear." I did not know it can be permanent. I did not know there was no cure. I certainly did NOT know it was so debilitating.
I really wish the school education systems spend at least one day in each health classes talking about tinnitus and its devastating effects, especially since our children spends so much time in the computer with headphones on or blasting music in their rooms, or even loud as hell music in the school stadium. I have one nephew and one niece with very minor unilateral tinnitus that doesn't bother them because they can only hear it in very "quiet" places. I heard from my niece all 4/6 of hear friends also have very minor tinnitus where they can hear it in a quiet rooms but she told me her friends were still very basé about protecting their hearing since their level of tinnitus was still quiet. They have no idea it can still get dramatically worse.
More and more people are getting tinnitus and I strongly believe it should be incorporated into our education system.
I did not really care about losing hearing before because I had thought "So what I hear less? I see people where hearing aids and they seem fine (on the outside)", but if I had known that tinnitus was so immeasurably life altering and suicidal, I would have protected my ears more (either from acoustic trauma or ear infections or ototoxic medications).
That's amazing. What kind of test is performed?I know that in my state, they expanded the number of times they test hearing on students from 1 to three times,
I'm sorry. It's very disconcerting to read those stories, let alone live in the knowledge that it always can be worse.@Christiaan the related news articles make me sad. Young kids with hearing damage and tinnitus, one kid who killed himself, and one article mentioning that there's therapy to get used to it
I cannot agree more. Honestly nobody really cares if your life becomes miserable, all what is important is that you cannot die of tinnitus, unless ending life yourself, which of course you'd be blamed for, not tinnitus. Nobody gives a damn about your life quality, all what is important is that you can still continue to work and pay taxes.I don't know if it's just me, but I feel like a large portion of why more isn't done/known about tinnitus is because it's not looked at as something as debilitating or life altering. The general consensus among the public feels like it's viewed as an inconvenience more than anything.
There is a little known human factor. Earplugs are rated NRR (Noise Reduction Rate). NRR is the maximum dB reduction if you are a perfect human. Example noise level 110 NRR 32 simple math 110 - 32 = 78 dB. Sounds safe enough. But you are not a perfect human. The rule of thumb is, if you are wearing a product with an NRR of 32 it would deduct 12.5 decibels ((32-7)/2=10). Example noise level 110 NRR 32 the true math is 110 - 12.5 = 97.5 dB. Dangerous level. Your estimated NRR may vary! Sad but true.However, there is a lot of gray space between a nearby explosion in combat that nearly killed a soldier and working at a very loud factory with earplugs on and still developing tinnitus and hyperacusis. And that's what needs to be addressed, the "factory" type of hearing issues.
Standard Audiogram test. Granted, doing it three times might stress how important hearing is, but by not doing a full sweep, they're losing valuable information.That's amazing. What kind of test is performed?
In my country, we have some health check-ups in school, but it doesn't expand beyond measuring or height, weight, a look at our teeth, and eye test. I have never ever had a hearing test during my 12 years in elementary and secondary education. Hearing care is in the dark ages, absolutely neglected.
I agree with everything you've said here. It's why I've been talking about PSA's similar to smoking PSA's. Fear of being effected is what will drive caution. I do hate that it's seen as just temporary, as it gives doctors and patients the wrong impressions. I think a tinnitus week, with YouTuber and the CDC working together to bring awareness to the issue by sponsoring bigger tubers to talk about tinnitus, and the research that's going on, while also going over the dangers and way to prevent damage would help. It just requires the CDC to fund it. It amazes me how much they attack smoking, which generally effects people later in their retired life so strongly, but hearing damage can effect anyone of any age, and has more people effected, and they just let it go.I cannot agree more. Honestly nobody really cares if your life becomes miserable, all what is important is that you cannot die of tinnitus, unless ending life yourself, which of course you'd be blamed for, not tinnitus. Nobody gives a damn about your life quality, all what is important is that you can still continue to work and pay taxes.
There so many things that make this condition so unfortunate:
1. People don't die directly from tinnitus, so there's is no directly measurable loss when someone gets tinnitus. It is just some immeasurable sound in your head that makes you mad.
2. The prevalence of tinnitus is large enough to affect many including us, but unfortunately not large enough to create enough rage and/or fear that could drive the society to find efficiently a solution to it. I will repeat myself - why do we have only 31,000 members on this forum? The risk of having permanent tinnitus after rock concert is said to be high, but how high? Nobody knows. If each single concert or sport event would be known to leave 1% of audience with permanent tinnitus then this would be enough to do something about the problem and we would be flooded with 50-100 new members each day, but we are not. Yet you can see lot of people doing loud things with absolutely no hearing protection and all they get most is a temporary tinnitus that goes away. Most people think it is temporary condition. Paradoxically if the prevalence was higher we would likely have a cure by now.
3. It is NOT (called) a disease, but a symptom, which IMHO downplays how debilitating and incurable it is. This also gives false impression, that it is a symptom of something you can treat or is temporary. Or even blurs the whole problem, like... "oh tinnitus it can be a symptom of so many things....". Why diabetes can be called disease when it is a symptom of pancreas malfunction? We should demand a right to call tinnitus disease too! Maybe then it will be treated more seriously.
4. It is said to be strictly related to/connected with hearing loss, and hearing loss have solution... hearing aids! This gives false impression that there's solution to hearing loss and tinnitus as well.
To create some compassion we would need to have a tinnitus day at work or at school, playing not loud (so it is safe), just audible, high pitched beep or hissing for the whole day at work and/or at school, to make people understand what it is. It bet the the most of people would be begging to turn it off after few minutes. But to fully understand they would need to have it for at least couple of hours to understand the burden and exhaustion it creates in one's head.
This is may sound like a cruel way to explain it, but I think it would be best way to make feel more compassionate and what is most important scared, because in the end it is a FEAR that unfortunately drives society to do something more than usual.
I only wish I had some other condition with higher prevalence and something that is directly lethal when untreated.