2020 US Presidential Election

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ELI5: Why do progressives think it's so easy to just put an end to the Middle East involvement? Obviously, Iraq was a mistake, but I genuinely don't understand the logistics of our foreign policy enough to know why we are still there and why it's easy to not be there.

Without any thought, personally, it sounds nice to not be involved, but assuming Obama doesn't love killing innocent people for fun, I have to imagine it's a lot more complicated. Is this true? Why or why not?

I know about supplying the Kurds in order to fight ISIL, but when Trump left them high and dry, progressives lost their mind. I don't understand this situation and why progressives make it sound so simple.

Here's a good article explaining the situation, but I'm curious what people here think.
I'm not saying we need to withdraw in a day but the goal really needs to be to get out. I could see a full withdrawal on a reasonable timeline and I'd give Biden credit if we withdrew even by the end of his first term. I'm not unreasonable. We could give our allies a reasonable warning in advance that over the next X months or years we're leaving and they'll frankly have to deal with that.

And also, Obama admitted in his recent book that he did a lot of what he did for political optics, he said he didn't want to look like a liberal President who was weak on terror. And that's exactly the problem. The optics of withdrawal and not going scorched earth on the "terrorists" is easily exploitable in electoral politics.
 
And also, Obama admitted in his recent book that he did a lot of what he did for political optics, he said he didn't want to look like a liberal President who was weak on terror.
I feel like Obama was the sacrificial lamb for the belief that a liberal can prove objectivity to a conservative.
 
ELI5: Why do progressives think it's so easy to just put an end to the Middle East involvement? Obviously, Iraq was a mistake, but I genuinely don't understand the logistics of our foreign policy enough to know why we are still there and why it's easy to not be there.

Without any thought, personally, it sounds nice to not be involved, but assuming Obama doesn't love killing innocent people for fun, I have to imagine it's a lot more complicated. Is this true? Why or why not?

I know about supplying the Kurds in order to fight ISIL, but when Trump left them high and dry, progressives lost their mind. I don't understand this situation and why progressives make it sound so simple.

Here's a good article explaining the situation, but I'm curious what people here think.
The far left, socialist, Ron Paul, is quoted many times, insisting and demanding that the USA get out of all their foreign wars. Born To Slay thinks "policies of staying out of wars and not invading countries" is a left-wing trait, right?
 
Don't forget the country Obama bombed was a socialist state, so if he was truly a "radical leftist", then he's a pretty crap one and lack principles by bombing a socialist country for imperialist gains.

When I say they're socialist, I don't mean they are ruled by a socialist party; I mean their whole government was designed by socialists (not the traditional kind, as apparently Islam still played a decent part, just the less conservative side of it). The country's official name was Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya and their official motto was "freedom, socialism and unity".

Fun fact: Before the invasion, Libya was the richest and most developed country in Africa. Here's the human development index of Libya compared to all the other African countries. It's the only one in green which is in the "High" development category, which also happens to host a bunch of countries from Western Europe, East Asia, North America, Australia/NZ etc:

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They were rich based on oil.

But, Clinton and Obomber decided to aid terrorists in their overthrow of Gaddafi. Yeah, he was a dictator but he kept the country in line from psycho terrorists who were worse than him. After he was gone, there was chaos and everything went to crap. Thanks to the leftists war hawk Clinton and Obomber.
 
@Born To Slay, ok, here goes... back to our bet.

I am going to omit my reasoning, long winded, and just let you know that I am doubling down on our original bet which is a bit nutty bet considering Trump's popularity on the ground and the make up of the new Republican Party.

Having said that...

The Orange man is toast.
We can reconvene on this in 9 months to a year.

Take care Born To Slay.

Just wanted to weigh in before the trial.
Peace.
 
"Misinformation" and "conspiracy theories" are the new buzzwords used to justify censorship.
Tech companies censoring conservatives is going to be the best thing to ever happen to the Internet. It will give rise to a decentralized peer to peer-esque web 3.0 that large corporations will not have control over. These tech companies are digging their own grave by mass censoring. The mainstream media is already calling decentralized Google, Twitter, Reddit alternatives "extremist websites". Don't fall for the propaganda. Stay Diligent.
 
Where is the global warming? My local forecast.

This Afternoon
Sunny and cold, with a high near 0. Wind chill values as low as -14. West northwest wind around 5 mph.

Tonight
Partly cloudy, with a low around -12. Wind chill values as low as -25. West wind around 5 mph becoming south southwest in the evening.

Tuesday
Mostly sunny, with a high near 7. Wind chill values as low as -26. West wind 5 to 10 mph.

Tuesday Night
Partly cloudy, with a low around -8. Wind chill values as low as -16. West southwest wind around 5 mph becoming north after midnight.

Wednesday
Partly sunny, with a high near 7. North northeast wind around 5 mph.

Wednesday Night
Mostly cloudy, with a low around -12. North wind 5 to 10 mph.

Thursday
A 20 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy and cold, with a high near -1. North wind around 10 mph.

Thursday Night
Mostly cloudy, with a low around -13. North northwest wind around 10 mph.

Friday
A 20 percent chance of snow. Partly sunny and cold, with a high near -1. North northwest wind around 10 mph.

Friday Night
A 20 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around -14. North wind around 10 mph.

Saturday
A 20 percent chance of snow. Partly sunny and cold, with a high near 1. North northwest wind around 10 mph.

Saturday Night
Partly cloudy, with a low around -16. West northwest wind around 10 mph.

Sunday
Partly sunny and cold, with a high near 4. Northwest wind around 10 mph becoming east northeast in the afternoon.
 
Where is the global warming? My local forecast.

This Afternoon
Sunny and cold, with a high near 0. Wind chill values as low as -14. West northwest wind around 5 mph.

Tonight
Partly cloudy, with a low around -12. Wind chill values as low as -25. West wind around 5 mph becoming south southwest in the evening.

Tuesday
Mostly sunny, with a high near 7. Wind chill values as low as -26. West wind 5 to 10 mph.

Tuesday Night
Partly cloudy, with a low around -8. Wind chill values as low as -16. West southwest wind around 5 mph becoming north after midnight.

Wednesday
Partly sunny, with a high near 7. North northeast wind around 5 mph.

Wednesday Night
Mostly cloudy, with a low around -12. North wind 5 to 10 mph.

Thursday
A 20 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy and cold, with a high near -1. North wind around 10 mph.

Thursday Night
Mostly cloudy, with a low around -13. North northwest wind around 10 mph.

Friday
A 20 percent chance of snow. Partly sunny and cold, with a high near -1. North northwest wind around 10 mph.

Friday Night
A 20 percent chance of snow. Mostly cloudy, with a low around -14. North wind around 10 mph.

Saturday
A 20 percent chance of snow. Partly sunny and cold, with a high near 1. North northwest wind around 10 mph.

Saturday Night
Partly cloudy, with a low around -16. West northwest wind around 10 mph.

Sunday
Partly sunny and cold, with a high near 4. Northwest wind around 10 mph becoming east northeast in the afternoon.
You are seriously going with the "Climate Change is fake because it still snows" thing?
 
You are seriously going with the "Climate Change is fake because it still snows" thing?
Not snow, temperature. I'm freezing my ass off.

This is all I could find:

Greenhouse gas emissions are on the rise, global warming is becoming a bigger threat, and cow farts are partly to blame. Methane from cows is a big contributor to the greenhouse effect, trapping 30 times more heat than carbon dioxide. ... More cows mean more methane, and more methane means warming of the planet.
 
You are seriously going with the "Climate Change is fake because it still snows" thing?
"Climate Change" is yet another controversial topic which ironically provokes authorities to censor and people to use buzz words to intimidate people who don't abide by the commonly held and accepted narrative.

The question is whether one can debate this or not. Imho. Because, if you don't subscribe to the status quo narrative, you are a Climate Change "denier" or a "loon." But, it's not as explosive a topic as COVID-19 since having the "wrong" opinion on Climate Change doesn't imply "you don't care about deaths."

Imho, Climate Change is happening but I think it can be debated what that means and the intangibles involved. Examples, how much of it is man-made, if part of it is, can people do anything about it and if you can, do people appreciate the sacrifices and to what extent can people affect it - need to weigh these and so on. Right? Also, suggesting that the "Climate Change" crowd meaning those authorities who want to "fight it, address it and implement limitations on people" to do so, are only in it for profit and to control people is a "conspiracy theory."
Right?

That's how people respond with everything. As Contrast said, it's "a conspiracy theory" and the person speculating or suggesting it, is an "extremist " and I would add, a "denier" because that's the next buzz word to become popular and overly used. Just wait and see. Mark my words and all that.
 
You sound brainwashed. I bet you watch CNN.

Go check out NewsMax, OAN and Breitbart for REAL news, you liberal.
I'm as Libertarian as they come but Breitbart news is the 180 of the Clinton News Network. All the mainstream media is garbage. All these moronic journalists with extreme far left and right views. Why do we have a two party system? If the clowns that voted for Trump would have voted Libertarian we would have a woman president that pushes to eliminate excess waste and minimalize the government.
 
I'm as Libertarian as they come but Breitbart news is the 180 of the Clinton News Network. All the mainstream media is garbage. All these moronic journalists with extreme far left and right views. Why do we have a two party system? If the clowns that voted for Trump would have voted Libertarian we would have a woman president that pushes to eliminate excess waste and minimalize the government.
Some questions, if you don't mind. Are all those who voted for Trump, "clowns", or are some not? If all all of those who voted for Trump, who lost, had voted for a female libertarian candidate, how could she have possibly won? Final question: Are those who voted for Biden, not "clowns"?
 
I'm as Libertarian as they come but Breitbart news is the 180 of the Clinton News Network. All the mainstream media is garbage. All these moronic journalists with extreme far left and right views. Why do we have a two party system? If the clowns that voted for Trump would have voted Libertarian we would have a woman president that pushes to eliminate excess waste and minimalize the government.
Haha, @TeeOh was satirically pretending to be on the far right. I completely understand why you thought he was serious. It goes to show how similar they all sound.
 
I'm as Libertarian as they come but Breitbart news is the 180 of the Clinton News Network. All the mainstream media is garbage. All these moronic journalists with extreme far left and right views. Why do we have a two party system? If the clowns that voted for Trump would have voted Libertarian we would have a woman president that pushes to eliminate excess waste and minimalize the government.
Breitbart News is controlled opposition and is owned by a few Zionists.

There's no alternative media whatsoever or any in the mainstream umbrella.
 
Due to the acquittal, Donald Trump has retained his Secret Service protection for life, and his right to run for office, including the Presidency, in the future. He is also entitled to his pension, and an annual allowance for office space and staff. He will not be eligible for health insurance, a President needs to be in federal office for at least five years to get that perk, so neither Trump nor Carter qualify for it.

Although he was defeated in the 2020 Presidential Election, Trump was 100% victorious in the impeachment trial. This trial was a waste of time, and taxpayers' money.
 
Trump was the "People's President". Biden is just a puppet for special interest groups. He signed more executive orders in less than a month than his predecessors did in a year I would guess, and some of them are very bad decisions IMO.
 
Due to the acquittal, Donald Trump has retained his Secret Service protection for life, and his right to run for office, including the Presidency, in the future. He is also entitled to his pension, and an annual allowance for office space and staff. He will not be eligible for health insurance, a President needs to be in federal office for at least five years to get that perk, so neither Trump nor Carter qualify for it.

Although he was defeated in the 2020 Presidential Election, Trump was 100% victorious in the impeachment trial. This trial was a waste of time, and taxpayers' money.
Is every trial that ends in acquittal a waste of taxpayer dollars?
 
Trump was the "People's President". Biden is just a puppet for special interest groups. He signed more executive orders in less than a month than his predecessors did in a year I would guess, and some of them are very bad decisions IMO.
Please. They both signed orders and laws that their base wants that the other side hates. Not sure how that makes Trump for the people and Biden for special interests. Trump had his own donors to support.
 
Is every trial that ends in acquittal a waste of taxpayer dollars?
Unfortunately, having been on jury duty, and grand jury duty, I'm sorry to say that many trials are. This impeachment trial was not only a waste of money, in the middle of a pandemic it was a waste of valuable human resources as well.

It probably won't happen, but I am hoping that in time, we will see impeachment proceeding against Kamala Harris.
 

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