2020 US Presidential Election

Such an insinuation is an insult to dogs.
Yep. He even used to be publicly pro-choice:

https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914

People need to wake up and see that he is using their faith to manipulate them. It's painfully obvious. I would not be the least bit surprised if he paid for a few abortions himself.
If only someone paid for his mom to have an abortion.
 
It astonishes me how heaps of Americans voted for him.
I think he is manipulating the US stock market just to get re-elected. People have taken a big hit due to COVID-19, in job terms, and he wants to soften it by making people think some of their risky investments are safe.
 
Even though in the 2016 Presidential Election, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but still lost because of the Electoral college vote.

The Americans on this forum what do you think about the Electoral College vote? Do you think they should get rid of it or keep it?

I feel like USA has one of the most complicated political systems in the world. There are so many different variables such as each state having their own laws and no wonder why it is hard to maintain a certain standard.

They should really adopt a central government where all states follow the same legislation such as having control of education, the police, health etc and then have a local government that sorts out trash collection, water, local building consents etc.
 
Even though in the 2016 Presidential Election, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but still lost because of the Electoral college vote.

The Americans on this forum what do you think about the Electoral College vote? Do you think they should get rid of it or keep it?

I feel like USA has one of the most complicated political systems in the world. There are so many different variables such as each state having their own laws and no wonder why it is hard to maintain a certain standard.

They should really adopt a central government where all states follow the same legislation such as having control of education, the police, health etc and then have a local government that sorts out trash collection, water, local building consents etc.
The electoral college is trash and should be abolished. It really should be one person, one vote imo. They say that will lead to smaller states not getting represented but that's just not true. Just because you got outvoted doesn't mean you weren't represented. It means you fucking lost.

That said, federal control over everything involving police and education sounds both impractical and terrifying. Because of the cultural differences between the states, some of that would go very badly. In addition, I shutter to think what the GOP would put in the federal education guidelines regarding LGBT issues, race, Sex Ed, etc.
 
If Trump was acquitted his impeachment doesn't mean much.
If Trump was merely shielded by the GOP then his acquittal doesn't mean much. Oh, and Trump's cabinet and cronies haven't been quite so lucky. They've been the fall guy for him despite the fact the fish rots from the head down, but of course you'll overlook all that as well.
 
I hate politics because it's all about zealots picking a side instead of rational thought, but I will say Trump is making disability claims extremely difficult for people who need it. His cuts on environmental protection are damning.

He really doesn't care about the poor, but I guess if you are a small business owner he might have some policies on regulation cuts you could benefit from. Over all you don't need to hurt the poor to help the middle class.

I believe (but can't prove) that Trump knows poor people who support him are useful idiots. He speaks their lingo so he can get their vote. Poor people who fear hispanics seem to be a large percentage of his fan base (unfortunately). Trump was ALWAYS a secular business man. it was NOT into his election that he started playing with cultural conservative vibes and lingo to appeal to his largest audience.

I'll always defend less regulations (especially in bio-medicine) Trump cutting regulations everywhere like a mad man coincidentally lead to a boost in the biomedical research. However he has no interest in the advancements in the bio-sciences. He'd rather blame Mexicans and china for all our problems.
That's because it's politics. I said before. It's rigged. Stupid leftists here laughed with their emoticons. But, it's true. People want to blame Trump but he's just a puppet. You're correct. He says things for votes or distractions. One or the other. Sometimes, simultaneously.

This is too deep for a political discussion here. I think readers will object but I don't see a silver lining. Governments globally are probably anticipating economic downturn so you have a combination of insane spending/bailouts on one hand and cuts/no financial support (e.g. poor/disability support) on the other.
 
It's hard to image Biden not winning the next elections after the whole shit show with Trump mishandling the corona situation, the economy and now this with inciting violence against protesters. I hope for you @FGG and other Americans that Biden will act reasonable to the demands from the left of the Democratic Party. Or else a centrist government would pave the way to yet another Trumpian-like administration, just like last time.
You have over 20 trillion debt continued by multiple administrations, shut everything down based on a sham scamdemic farce and you wonder why the economy is in trouble? Do you people actually think it will be better under the Democrats?!? Do you guys know the expression, same coin but different sides?
 
Even though in the 2016 Presidential Election, Hillary Clinton won the popular vote but still lost because of the Electoral college vote.

The Americans on this forum what do you think about the Electoral College vote? Do you think they should get rid of it or keep it?

I feel like USA has one of the most complicated political systems in the world. There are so many different variables such as each state having their own laws and no wonder why it is hard to maintain a certain standard.

They should really adopt a central government where all states follow the same legislation such as having control of education, the police, health etc and then have a local government that sorts out trash collection, water, local building consents etc.
Hilary was a forced establishment shill

The democrats should have went for someone better. The Republicans put heart into Donald's campaign, the left thought he was an easy loss. They slept on him that's why he won.

Also the GOP is becoming less conservative and more libertarian.
 
If Trump was merely shielded by the GOP then his acquittal doesn't mean much. Oh, and Trump's cabinet and cronies haven't been quite so lucky. They've been the fall guy for him despite the fact the fish rots from the head down, but of course you'll overlook all that as well.
Trump is our president for now and he has to deal with the COVID-19 pandemic plus recent rioting. He is under enough pressure and stress. Why would we want to switch horses in mid-stream? We are just a tinnitus forum and our opinions mean diddly squat anyway. I guess I'll just stick to tinnitus related threads from now on. Tinnitus is causing me the most distress anyway.
 
Hilary was a forced establishment shill

The democrats should have went for someone better. The Republicans put heart into Donald's campaign, the left thought he was an easy loss. They slept on him that's why he won.

Also the GOP is becoming less conservative and more libertarian.
My thoughts exactly. The DNC proped up a terrible neolib candidate and were shocked when the enthusiasm wasn't there. Biden would have clearly lost too imo and they wouldn't have learned a thing if Trump didn't go full on dictator.

And there has been a shift in the conservative party towards extremism. This quote sums up Trump supporters nicely:

"Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect." -- Frank Wilhoit.
 
Trump is our president for now and he has to deal with the COVID-19 pandemic plus recent rioting. He is under enough pressure and stress. Why would we want to switch horses in mid-stream? We are just a tinnitus forum and our opinions mean diddly squat anyway. I guess I'll just stick to tinnitus related threads from now on. Tinnitus is causing me the most distress anyway.
I will never understand why Trump supporters seem to care more about his personal stress than (esp) minority citizens dying by brutality, poverty and lack of health care and immigrant children being separated from their parents.

I'm the opposite. I feel zero empathy for Trump. Zero. But tons for the people's lives his policies hurt.
 
The rioting and looting that happened in Minneapolis is ridiculous. I read that most was caused by out of state extremists. They should just stay home and let in-state people handle the situation. Trump said governor Walz was doing a good job. I live about 80 miles south of the Twin Cities.
 
Trump is our president for now
Unfortunately.
he has to deal with the COVID-19 pandemic plus recent rioting.
Both of which he is partially responsible for.
We are just a tinnitus forum and our opinions mean diddly squat anyway.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." ― Theodore Roosevelt
 
My thoughts exactly. The DNC proped up a terrible neolib candidate and were shocked when the enthusiasm wasn't there. Biden would have clearly lost too imo and they wouldn't have learned a thing if Trump didn't go full on dictator.
Unpopular opinion: Hillary was a decent candidate. Joe Biden should not even be in the same breath, as he really is awful. I say this as someone who voted for Sanders in the 2016 primaries. He has flaws that his supporters refuse to acknowledge. The story of Bernie losing isn't just about getting screwed over.
 
Unpopular opinion: Hillary was a decent candidate. Joe Biden should not even be in the same breath, as he really is awful. I say this as someone who voted for Sanders in the 2016 primaries. He has flaws that his supporters refuse to acknowledge. The story of Bernie losing isn't just about getting screwed over.
"In a traditional democracy, the liberal class functions as a safety valve. It makes piecemeal and incremental reform possible. It offers hope for change and proposes gradual steps toward greater equality. It endows the state and the mechanisms of power with virtue." -- Chris Hedges.

The US is an oligarchy made infinite worse with the Citizens United Ruling. How exactly was Hillary Clinton going to enact any incremental meaningful change?

She would keep the status quo. How do you motivate people to vote for that. Granted now we now things can get incrementally worse.

I agree Bernie isn't perfect but at least his primary concern has always been the people and not the wealthy donors.
 
I wish more people would criticize the massive military budget and the enormous amount of propaganda put into glorifying war. The military budget is the biggest problem.

Don't even get me started on veterans coming home with severe tinnitus and the VA "managing" the problem.
 
I wish more people would criticize the massive military budget and the enormous amount of propaganda put into glorifying war. The military budget is the biggest problem.

Don't even get me started on veterans coming home with severe tinnitus and the VA "managing" the problem.

I would love there to be no war, but unfortunately diminishing the military would play right into our foes' hands. They are building their militaries as we speak, and they can do it cheaper... much cheaper!

I do feel though that a lot of money is wasted by the military and pointless interventions conducted just in the name of keeping the arms industry in business, which in turn produces weaponary at exorbitant prices. This is an entirely different question.

It's a tough one...!! World peace... hell yeah... but how?
 
I will never understand why Trump supporters seem to care more about his personal stress than (esp) minority citizens dying by brutality, poverty and lack of health care and immigrant children being separated from their parents.

I'm the opposite. I feel zero empathy for Trump. Zero. But tons for the people's lives his policies hurt.
I never voted for anyone but feel we need to support our elected president during these turbulent times. What does bashing him accomplish? Would have Hillary been a better choice?
 
I would love there to be no war, but unfortunately diminishing the military would play right into our foes' hands. They are building their militaries as we speak, and they can do it cheaper.

I do feel though that a lot of money is wasted by the military and pointless interventions conducted just in the name of keeping the arms industry in business. This is an entirely different question.

It's a tough one...!! World peace... hell yeah... but how?
Libertarians make a great point about corporations that get Government protection and subsidies. "like boeing and lockheed martin" and others that make missiles, tanks and guns for the military. These contractors have an ENORMOUS UNFAIR advantage in the market. They get Government subsidies and immutability from market pressure, where as corporations that get money from the free market don't. They are prone to failing for bad service. The ones funded by the state can do whatever they want.

Governments fund corporations that aid the military, that is why I say TRT is a by product of Government shills.

The VA is what helped TRT rise to power. They choose TRT because at the time Jastreboff was one of the obscure characters researching tinnitus. They turned him into a giant. The free market doesn't allow bad ideas to end up immutable. The Government does.
 
Libertarians make a great point about corporations that get Government protection and subsidies. "like boeing and lockheed martin" and others that make missiles, tanks and guns for the military. These contractors have an ENORMOUS UNFAIR advantage in the market. They get Government subsidies and immutability from market pressure, where as corporations that get money from the free market don't. They are prone to failing for bad service. The ones funded by the state can do whatever they want.

Governments fund corporations that aid the military, that is why I say TRT is a by product of Government shills.

The VA is what helped TRT rise to power. They choose TRT because at the time Jastreboff was one of the obscure characters researching tinnitus. They turned him into a giant. The free market doesn't allow bad ideas to end up immutable. The Government does.
All of the above I agree with, but it still doesn't address the need to keep the military strong and how we could bring about world peace.
 
I never voted for anyone but feel we need to support our elected president during these turbulent times. What does bashing him accomplish? Would have Hillary been a better choice?
Normally criticism can be useful if leaders listen to the people but unfortunately Trump only cares about himself so it probably does accomplish very little unfortunately. We are unimportant and powerless.
 
I'm going to admit I'm extremely anti war and I blame most war in the middle east on the Abrahamic Religions.
 
I will never understand why Trump supporters seem to care more about his personal stress than (esp) minority citizens dying by brutality, poverty and lack of health care and immigrant children being separated from their parents.

I'm the opposite. I feel zero empathy for Trump. Zero. But tons for the people's lives his policies hurt.
Trump was just a rich guy from birth. He achieved nothing on his own.
 
If you guys have any brains consider how we can get the democrats to support biomedical sciences and take stem cell research seriously.
 
Connect the dots. You should be outraged at the VA and the pro war propagandist.

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The electoral college is trash and should be abolished. It really should be one person, one vote imo. They say that will lead to smaller states not getting represented but that's just not true. Just because you got outvoted doesn't mean you weren't represented. It means you fucking lost.

That said, federal control over everything involving police and education sounds both impractical and terrifying. Because of the cultural differences between the states, some of that would go very badly. In addition, I shutter to think what the GOP would put in the federal education guidelines regarding LGBT issues, race, Sex Ed, etc.
I agree with you. Why do you need an electoral college to vote. Isn't the people's individual vote more important and enough. Why add electoral college vote in the mix.
 
I agree with you. Why do you need an electoral college to vote. Isn't the people's individual vote more important and enough. Why add electoral college vote in the mix.
Rural areas cannot be out competed by large cities. Factors that benefit large cities could harm rural areas or vice versa.

Large cities would always dominate if the EC was abolished.
 
Trump was just a rich guy from birth. He achieved nothing on his own.
I dislike Trump for his policies on war, the wall, disability and the enviorment, but he is a very good at economic deals.

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He is an expert in Real Estate and risky economic deal making and he exhibited those skills precisely in his negotiations with North Korea.
 
I'm going to admit I'm extremely anti war and I blame most war in the middle east on the Abrahamic Religions.
Am I reading that correctly? Do you...agree....with Sam Harris, the same guy who doesn't believe in free will?
 

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