Assisted Suicide and Tinnitus

On the contrary. Tinnitus can improve a lot by this I mean one's perception of it. In some cases tinnitus can reduce to such a low level a person isn't aware of it for most of the time. It has been known to go away completely. Many things can cause tinnitus. It comes in many forms and intensities and no two people experience it the same. I have corresponded with many people with tinnitus over the years and counselled them.

Michael

But perception has nothing to do with actual volume/intensity in my opinion. My T is the same volume/intensity when i am panicky/crying/sad as it is when i am fairly happy and okay....the volume or pitch of it doesn't seem to change...but my perception of it varies from it being a mild annoyance to it driving me up the wall.
 
My T is the same volume/intensity when i am panicky/crying/sad as it is when i am fairly happy and okay....the volume or pitch of it doesn't seem to change...but my perception of it varies from it being a mild annoyance to it driving me up the wall.

With respect @TheDanishGirl you are in the very early stages of tinnitus as I've mentioned to you before. Tinnitus can feel quite daunting to someone new to tinnitus. Indeed, one's perception of tinnitus is akin to its volume. The way tinnitus is affecting you emotionally effects most people in this way that are new to the condition and it's severe. Please read my own story when I habituated for the 2nd time after my tinnitus increased to almost unbearable levels in 2008.

I have variable tinnitus, which can be: silent, mild, moderate and severe. It no longer reaches the "extreme" levels I refer to in the post below: My experience with tinnitus. Hopefully it will give you some reassurance, that even when tinnitus is severe it can improve with time, and habituation will happen with the right help.

I believe my twenty years experience living with tinnitus qualifies me for saying this. Just the same as others in this forum that have had tinnitus for longer and also to those that have had it for less time.

Even though tinnitus is a common condition, I believe it is only those that have experienced intrusive tinnitus to the point where these levels have been sustained for a period of time and they've had to seek help at ENT will know how debilitating it can be. Anyone that hasn't been through this process won't have any understanding of what severe tinnitus is like or how it can affect one's daily life and emotional well-being. For this reason, most Hearing Therapists and Audiologists, that practice tinnitus counselling, were either born with tinnitus or acquired it at some time in their life.

Health professionals that are dedicated to helping their tinnitus patients will know about the anatomy of the ear but won't have a clue of what this condition is like unless they've experienced it, as my ENT consultant once told me.

My Experience With Tinnitus

I have had bilateral tinnitus for twenty years and have learnt to habituate to it twice. Anyone that would like to read my early years with the condition I will be posting an article titled: Advice for tinnitus newbies and beyond at a later date.

My story covers the last seven years, when my tinnitus increased to insurmountable levels for reasons I'm not sure of. I was listening to music on my HI-FI late one evening and turned up the volume, although I didn't believe the sound was set too high. I was listening to a Haydn symphony but the next day my tinnitus returned with a vengeance; it became loud and very intrusive for many weeks. I returned to ENT for further treatment and started a second course of TRT (tinnitus retraining therapy) that lasted over two years.

Although I had some success with TRT for the second time my tinnitus didn't return to its previous manageable levels. I was left with large fluctuations in its intensity that could be variable on a daily basis from: Silent, mild, moderate, extremely severe.

My previous experience with tinnitus had taught me to try and have a positive outlook on life no matter how dire the circumstances. I learned this back in the days as a tinnitus newbie, and got inspiration from more experienced people at forums that were seasoned to tinnitus. Having a positive outlook helped me through some difficult times and I believed it would do so again.

I tried to remain optimistic that my T would return to how it once was but in October 2010 for the first time I began having doubts. I sensed my T had reached a plateau and things were no longer improving and depression started to set in. I made an appointment to see my Consultant and explained my concerns, and asked her to please be candid about my condition. I was informed that in all her years of practicing Audiovestibular medicine, she had only met one other patient with tinnitus as severe as mine. She explained the large fluctuations in my tinnitus, almost on a daily basis was not typical of the condition but said she wouldn't give up on treating me. Her last words gave me a glimmer of hope.

I was prescribed clonazapam and told it is some times given to patients with severe tinnitus as it can help. I was advised to only take it when my T is very intrusive. If it is taken regularly the body quickly habituates to it so higher doses are needed to get the same effect. I was also told some people can become addicted to it and the side effects can be unpleasant. I found clonazapam helpful but didn't take it regularly as I didn't want dependency to set in. My GP monitored me closely with the amount of medication I was taking.

The fluctuations in my tinnitus remained and at times daily life became a struggle. When my T was moderate I could cope due to my previous years of habituation. However, when it was severely intrusive I had to take my clonazapam and go to bed whatever the time of day, as I just couldn't function. My social life was non-existent and at times my positivity became very low. I was an avid reader and hadn't read a book in over two years.

In March 2011, I began using a product that treats tinnitus. Over the following year the intensity of my T gradually reduced, but I must stress it was slow. I began taking clonazapam less and gradually returned to reading. It used to take me up to three weeks to read a novel due to the fluctuating intensity of my tinnitus; I can now finish a book in four to five days. My social life improved and I was able to carry out remodelling my house.

Christmas 2011, I saw my Consultant and mentioned the severity of my tinnitus was reducing although I still do get bad days but coping better without always having to take medication. I asked if it's possible that I can remain as an outpatient instead of being discharged, just in case my T flares up again. I have a very good rapport with my Dr who readily agreed to my request.

My Dr was very pleased with my improvement and asked what had brought about the change. At that time I didn't think it necessary to mention the product I have been using, as I believe it is a combination of things. Having a caring and understanding GP, Hearing Therapist and ENT Dr. Medication has also helped and also having a positive attitude and the belief things will get better. I thanked my Consultant and Hearing Therapist for all their help over the last four years. More than once I have made a phone call or written a letter to ENT and they have seen me in clinic.

The tinnitus device that I've been using I believe has helped a lot, and think it right to mention I have been using something. However, I have chosen not to mention its name as the inventor states it won't help everyone. I took a chance as I was in a desperate situation last year and prepared to try anything. However, I did do my research and read at Forums, that it helped other tinnitus sufferers but not all. I am pleased it has helped me. I wasn't looking to be cured, if my tinnitus remained at a moderate level and even spiked occasionally I can live happily with that (habituate). Only when it was severely loud and very intrusive on a daily basis at times, did it become a problem. I haven't had to take clonazapam, as regularly there was a time I needed to take it every other day.

I would like to finish by saying: Tinnitus comes in many forms and intensities and no two people have it the same. It can be: mild, moderate, or severe. Intermittent or constant. In one ear or both. It can fluctuate or remain at a constant level. Hyperacusis (sensitivity to sound) can also be present.

Many people successfully habituate to tinnitus either with, or without treatment. This does involve acceptance and having a positive outlook on life and the condition and not to see it as a threat to your well-being.

Help is also available at an ENT clinic and each person's needs will be different. For some people their T will reduce to a level where they hardly notice it and may just require tinnitus counselling and using sound enrichment. Others may find hearing aid/s helpful. WNGs (white noise generators) are also good. In some cases medication can be prescribed. Success can also be sought using complementary medicine and/or tinnitus devices. There are really no set rules on how one reaches habituation, but I believe it is something that everyone with T can reach in time.

Michael

PS: The product that I used to help my tinnitus, I continue with it but won't divulge it to anyone so please do not ask. It is expensive and I would feel very guilty if it didn't help anyone that bought it.
 
But perception has nothing to do with actual volume/intensity in my opinion. My T is the same volume/intensity when i am panicky/crying/sad as it is when i am fairly happy and okay....the volume or pitch of it doesn't seem to change...but my perception of it varies from it being a mild annoyance to it driving me up the wall.

I think you're confusing perception with reaction. Your perception is what gives you the impression of volume. You perceive a sound with a low volume or a high volume. That's what perception is: it maps directly with your saying "it's loud". It's loud because you perceive it loud. Saying "it's loud" is completely equivalent to "I perceive it loud" in this particular case.
That perception drives a reaction: sometimes you are annoyed, and sometimes it drives you up the wall.

One of the reasons why I think people "get better" with time is that the reaction part is brutal at the onset, and generally gets better with time, even though the perception itself hasn't changed that much.
But for some people, the perception itself does change. There are plenty of studies that will show you that the loudness itself changes after such and such treatment.

I think all the CBT/mindfullness/counseling/TRT/psy stuff deals with the reaction: they can't do anything for the perception (although they sometimes play tricks with maskers to drown the "bad stimulus"). If you haven't gotten over the reaction "anxiety hump", or are having trouble getting there, I think they are worth a try. If you reach the point where your reaction is almost nonexistent, you've reached "habituation". You basically don't care (but you hear your T all the same).

But some other treatments do deal with the actual perception, either by calming down neuronal activity, trying to rewire the brain, change blood pressure, etc.
This is what we would all like to have of course, because habituation is a goal that one may never reach.
 
@Amber

Dignitas gave me another answer:

In French:


Le 27 juin 2017 à 16:32, Dignitas <dignitas@dignitas.ch> a écrit :

Bonjour,
merci de votre e-mail. Ce type de pathologie tout seul n'est souvent pas suffisant, mais cela dépend aussi du niveau du handicap. Les rapports médicaux doivent montrer que vous avez essayé différents traitements, rien vous aide, votre qualité de vie est gravement influencé...
Si vous voulez, vous pouvez nous faire parvenir vos rapports médicaux et nous pouvons vous donner une réponse plus détaillée.

Meilleures salutations
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Translate:

Hello,
Thank you for your e-mail. This type of pathology alone is often not enough, but it also depends on the level of disability. Medical reports must show that you have tried different treatments, nothing helps you, your quality of life is seriously influenced ...
If you want, you can send us your medical reports and we can give you a more detailed answer.

Best regards


It is theoretically possible but without doubt very difficult without deafness or hyperacousia.
And medical reports are needed but as it is a subjective phenomenon (n)
 
No matter how loud your Tinnitus is suicide is stupid, selfish, and NEVER AN OPTION ... get people to help you and deal with it .... if you think you life is over donate it to help others there are many places that keep you so busy helping that you will never ever think of your Tinnitus ... just my five cent
 
No matter how loud your Tinnitus is suicide is stupid, selfish, and NEVER AN OPTION

@Wojtek Kalka
I don't think you have ever had very severe tinnitus that has been ongoing to the point where you have felt that you're unable to carry on with life. Any medical condition/ailment if it is severe enough can drive a person to the brink and want to commit suicide. It isn't something that I condone or would ever want to do. However, I do understand from personal experience. My tinnitus has driven me to almost breaking point where I have felt/hoped after going to bed at night not wanting to wake up in the morning to endure another day of misery. There is nothing stupid in that. If you ever had tinnitus to this extreme, then you would know the devastating impact that it can have on a person's quality of life. It can be ruthless and shows no mercy.

Michael
 
No matter how loud your Tinnitus is suicide is stupid, selfish, and NEVER AN OPTION ... get people to help you and deal with it .... if you think you life is over donate it to help others there are many places that keep you so busy helping that you will never ever think of your Tinnitus ... just my five cent
Condescending cunt you are.
 
I don't think you have ever had very severe tinnitus that has been ongoing to the point where you have felt that you're unable to carry on with life.

So I had days where the ringing was ALL I could here is that severe enough? I have been at the same point where you were, and it took me all my power to get over it .. and I lost best friends to suicide.. suicide IS ALWAYS A SHITTY OPTION .. just my five cent, you hurt a lot lovely people ..

Condescending cunt you are.

At least I never ever offend other people but write statements about opinions .. but as Schopenhauer said if you are out of arguments, just offend the person directly and out of contexts, make you look good in common eyes but you stay a fool ..

As hard as it sounds Michael ... deal with it, yes I had many days where I hated my ears, and don't know why this opinion is so offending. I know how horrible it can be still SUICIDE is never an option whatever no matter which illness etc ..

Cheers ... all the best
Wojtek
 
@Amber

At least I never ever offend other people but write statements about opinions .. but as Schopenhauer said if you are out of arguments, just offend the person directly and out of contexts, make you look good in common eyes but you stay a fool ..

@Amber --- Does it further strengthen any statement you may wish to make by lobbing profanity and castigating a fellow tinnitus sufferer? Best to take the "high road" and merely state your belief/opinioin in a dignified and respectful manner. It is more likely it shall be taken seriously if done so.

Best wishes,
Barbara
 
So I had days where the ringing was ALL I could here is that severe enough?
One can have "ringing" in the ears all day long and be able to manage as it all depends on its severity? In this instance you are the only person that knows. However your attitude, lack of empathy and understanding suggests to me it wasn't severe enough to cause long term distress. Just my opinion.
I have been at the same point where you were,
You can never know what point or how severe my tinnitus was just as I cannot know yours. I was on clonazepam. Very potent medication as I'm sure you are aware.

I hope that your resolve and resilience isn't tested at some time in the future, based on what you've written because life has a peculiar way of coming back at us. I counsel people with tinnitus. On the phone some welcome to be put out of their misery instead of having to face another day of torment. Fortunately it hasn't come to that. As I have said, I don't condone suicide but I understand how a person can be driven to that point, when a condition such as this reaches such severe levels, it can seriously affect the balance of one's mind.

Michael
 
be able to manage as it all depends on its severity

Ok put a 85-90db 7200hz and 4800hz next to your head 24h, imho that is severe. I just don't like whining about it while hundreds of thousand children starve to death.

My martial arts teacher taught me early pain is inevitable, suffering is an option. I have seen kids stepping on landmines, you prefer that as pain? Steven Hawkings can't move at all does he complain? When I got Tinnitus 20 years ago, it took me a year to find a doctor that was teaching Tinnitus does nothing to you of you do not let it.

I can understand that some people can't deal with it and can be driven to that point where they break, but you still have a choice. There are lot of other diseases that test your will to live too. Lost a a best friend to depression and suicide too. I I still believe suicide is a very shitty way out. You have nearly always other option.

And yes I have no empathy for people who want to kill themselves for what so ever.

I wish you all the best
Wojtek
 
@Wojtek Kalka I dunno, man. My father lost his ability to walk due to a degenerative disease long ago. If he decided that he's going to take his life because the quality of it was so bad, I would grieve him but I would understand. I'm not finding much joy in life these days due to a combination of tinnitus, hyperacusis and a degenerative eye disease that's causing me to lose vision pretty fast - my friends have told me that they really want me alive, but they understand why I'm suicidal.
 
@Zenyatta well you will hurt your friends for sure, and do you really think not walking is a reason to kill oneself? I have been in a wheelchair for three month. I have a friend who wakeboards and is a wheelchair he lost legs 20 years ago. I run around with an mp3 player 24/7 in my ears, my solution. But suicide is a very complex discussion that surely does not fit into a web forum. I can follow why some people kill themselves, as said I lost one of my best friends to suicide and I understand him that does not mean, I think it is a stupid and shitty way out. But everyone is entitled to have their own opinions and still live peacefully together .. which does not work that well on this planet most of the time sadly .. .

 
And yes I have no empathy for people who want to kill themselves for what so ever.

Then why are you here in a support group where some people suffer so much they would rather die? You're obviously better than us. Congratulations on your strength and superiority.
 
Then why are you here in a support group where some people suffer so much they would rather die? You're obviously better than us. Congratulations on your strength and superiority.

Cheers, no I am not better than any of you Lex but I learned to arrange myself with this shitty condition. Complaining about something I can't change what is the point. And I am thankful for having amazing friends and a great girlfriend who understands my condition and help me deal with it. And I am here to PREVENT people from doing suicide ... and actually some people wrote me that I helped and inspired them and if I only help one person in this forum to have a better time .. I did something good ...
 
And yes I have no empathy for people who want to kill themselves for what so ever

With respect this is my point. Why would anyone like you, that lacks understanding, compassion and empathy want to visit a support forum where people say they are in distress with tinnitus and can't cope.

Very interesting, lets hope that you are not in dire need of help and support some day.
I wish you well.
Michael
 
Ok put a 85-90db 7200hz and 4800hz next to your head 24h,
The CIA uses about 79db to mentally torture prisoners. How is it that the CIA can mess people up so badly with noise, but you find a way to function at a WAY louder 85-90db? You can tolerate more than what is used to mentally beak and take away the will of all these prisoners? Maybe the CIA has it wrong, they need to reevaluate their methods? I'm sure they don't have a clue what they are doing, maybe you should have a word with them, the CIA has to be mistaken.

Link:: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/4x374p/why-sound-torture-works

You are either A) full of shit b) delusional or c) completely and totally mentally crippled by your 85-90 db tinnitus. Which is it?
 
Why would anyone like you, that lacks understanding, compassion and empathy want to visit a support forum where people say they are in distress with tinnitus an can't cope.

As said Michael I agree to disagree again, this is strange reasoning ... someone like me who lacks understanding and compassion for suicide why I am on a support forum? To tell people that there are options NOT TO KILL THEMSELVES

And actually I met some amazing people here .. and made two or three friends

Didn't you read my last post? And why do you people got personally offending I never ever did this. I do not agree with your writings at ALL did I ever write a bad comment about you? Or calling your post crap? no I did not because that is very low, bad education a horrible attitude and just rude ...

Sincerely Wojtek
 
You are either A) full of shit b) delusional or c) completely and totally mentally crippled by your 85-90 db tinnitus. Which is it?

Damn again people why are you all guys so personally offensive? I said I had 2-3 days in my life where it was like this and I was lying in bed and hoping it gets better ... and it did get better and yes it was pure torture .. so what .
 
Didn't you read my last post? And why do you people got personally offending I never ever did this. I do not agree with your writings at ALL did I ever write a bad comment about you? Or calling your post BS? no I did not because that is very low, bad education a horrible attitude and just rude ...

When a person is losing an argument their first course of action is abuse.
I shall leave it there as you have revealed your true character
All the best
Michael
 
Strange you repeat my words, so we agree on that getting personal is very low ... and just because I do not agree with you does not mean I do not see that you have great intention of helping other people which is very honorable ...

Sadly you can't do the same
All the best
Wojtek
 
Damn again people why are you all guys so personally offensive? I said I had 2-3 days in my life where it was like this and I was lying in bed and hoping it gets better ... and it did get better and yes it was pure torture .. so what .
Ah, okay. Three days of torturous tinnitus, explains a lot about your ignorant posts.
 
@Wojtek Kalka I'm not saying you're not allowed to have an opinion, nor do I think that this is a topic that cannot be discussed - it's just that when you go to a forum full of deeply distressed people and basically call them shitty and stupid for considering suicide, well... You aren't going to get a good reaction, yanno?
 
@Zenyatta nope that is what people read. I never called anyone them stupid or shitty. Please read ALL my post, I never ever call someone anything , I talk about subjects. I do not offend or even mention other people personally ... because I have respect from strangers whatever condition they have and a decent education not to do so. Yes I do call suicide shitty and stupid, egocentric and more. That is and will be my opinion. You hurt everyone who loves you and regret it if you could.
 
Having an opinion where many disagree rarely gets you good reactions, you know the old story from Plato about the people in a cave? ... that is the way life is .. still I try to help wherever I can.
 
@Wojtek Kalka Well, a person's life is mostly reduced to their suicide if they end up doing it, which is why it's hard to dissociate the act from the person... Egocentric, okay, I'll give you that. Shitty and stupid, nah. The only reason I'm still alive is because I'm terrified of death and because I'm afraid of messing up the attempt and becoming a vegetable - it's purely an act of cowardice, not being brave and non-shitty and smart.
 
It's not God's plan for us to commit suicide. Yes T. is torture and i understand why people wonder why God would allow T. and all kinds of suffering but satan is the god of this world and thanks to him we are living in a fallen world.. It's men that disobeyed God in the beginning and we all have to pay for it unfortunatly. But the one true God is a loving God who wants to help you in times of great distress. Leave it in God's hands and you will come out of this stronger.
 

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