Audiogram and Other Hearing Test Results

The way I look at it is that you have a "perfect audiogram" (almost). Clearly your hearing isn't perfect as you suffer from tinnitus. A perfect audiogram is a necessary condition to perfect hearing, but not sufficient. Audiograms have important limitations, many of which you can find mentioned in this very forum. I do envy your hearing acuity, though.

I do not see bone conduction testing in the audiograms. Did they not perform it?

I guess it's the root cause that is difficult to pinpoint. You may find this flowchart useful to try to narrow it down.

Good luck!
Hey. Thanks for the reply. I wasn't given any bone conduction tests, maybe the Professor didn't see it as mandatory. My tinnitus wasn't caused by an acoustic trauma. It was due to a mix of Fluoroquinolone and Mirtazapine use.

I met the Professor today as well to have a final talk about my condition. At first I was suspecting ototoxicity. From what I have read, the mechanism of ototoxicity works like this: it eliminates the stria vascularis first, then moves on to eliminate the outer hair cells and inner hair cells. He also said that's what we theoretically expect but some kind of damage would be present on my audiograms/DPOAEs. He said he is pretty sure my ears are not damaged by ototoxicity, in fact it is my brain that's messed up due to Fluoroquinolones messing with my GABA-Glutamate balance and Mirtazapine affecting Serotonin whatnot. He thinks it's a polarization issue of the neurons inside the brain. This wording kinda made me hopeful of the upcoming potassium channel modulators. Maybe I can keep it under control, and permanently silence the tinnitus when they come out...
 
Does this look like ETD? I only feel fullness & hear ringing in my right ear.

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Dear community,

I just got a regular audiogram where everything looks normal (it seems that my hearing recovered after SSHL, at least in the standard ranges tested). However, there is a sentence in it that I do not understand:

"Acoustic reflexes could; unable to maintain a seal".

Does anyone know what that means, or if is concerning?

Many thanks!
 
"Acoustic reflexes could; unable to maintain a seal".

Does anyone know what that means, or if is concerning?
I can't parse the grammar there - seems like most of the predicate is missing. Is it handwritten?

Acoustic reflexes can be indicative of some conditions that are linked to tinnitus. For example, I failed the acoustic reflex on my otosclerosis ear, but because it's "very rare", the doctors originally brushed it off as "oh this happens sometimes", instead of taking it as a clue.
 
I can't parse the grammar there - seems like most of the predicate is missing. Is it handwritten?

Acoustic reflexes can be indicative of some conditions that are linked to tinnitus. For example, I failed the acoustic reflex on my otosclerosis ear, but because it's "very rare", the doctors originally brushed it off as "oh this happens sometimes", instead of taking it as a clue.
Thanks for your answer. You are right¸ the sentence became truncated. It seems that they meant:

"Acoustic reflexes could not be tested; unable to maintain a seal".
 
Dear community,

I just got a regular audiogram where everything looks normal (it seems that my hearing recovered after SSHL, at least in the standard ranges tested). However, there is a sentence in it that I do not understand:

"Acoustic reflexes could; unable to maintain a seal".

Does anyone know what that means, or if is concerning?

Many thanks!
Hi @Lucia Zuani.

Do you know what might have caused your SSHL? You have mentioned experiencing hyperacusis with tinnitus. Before your tinnitus started, did you regularly listen to audio through headphones, earbuds or headsets? These devices are common causes of noise-induced tinnitus with or without hyperacusis. Some people also experience SSHL. If you were a regular user of the devices I've mentioned, or went to clubs or concerts regularly, you might have noise-induced tinnitus. If this is the case, I advise that you don't listen to audio through any type of headphones even at low volume, as you risk the tinnitus and hyperacusis becoming worse.

Michael
 
Thanks for your answer. You are right¸ the sentence became truncated. It seems that they meant:

"Acoustic reflexes could not be tested; unable to maintain a seal".
Yeah that makes sense as a recovered sentence, but I'm wondering how they could not maintain a seal.

Were they struggling when they did the test? Does your ear canal not exhibit the typical somewhat cylinder shape that the test equipment can connect with? Were you moving around so much that they couldn't fit something in your ear? I'm having a hard time imagining how that could happen. Perhaps you have the answer to that.
 
I suppose the extended high-frequency hearing loss is the source of my tinnitus? Somehow my tinnitus started after taking Escitalopram...

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I suppose the extended high-frequency hearing loss is the source of my tinnitus? Somehow my tinnitus started after taking Escitalopram...

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What age are you? It's common to lose those frequencies above 8 kHz with age. It's not necessarily the cause unless you're young.
 
What age are you? It's common to lose those frequencies above 8 kHz with age. It's not necessarily the cause unless you're young.
Yeah, I am definitely not getting any younger... I asked the audiologist and they would not give me an answer about age-related hearing loss. Stating "it doesnt really follow any pattern."

I am 44.
 
First audiogram up to 8 kHz, second up to 18 kHz. Both normal - all thresholds 15 dB or less.

Yet tinnitus in both ears - right is actually worse with distortions. My audiologist said I have hyperacusis in my right ear, at 11-14 kHz, where the thresholds are 0/-5 dB, which is causing the distortions.

Cause was microsuction, so hoping this was just a 'shock' and it will fade in the coming months / year. I'm 9 weeks in now.

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Here is my audiogram. I suppose it shows I'm just on the cusp of having mild hearing loss. I've never really known what to make of it. This test was done a while back, and my tinnitus is much louder now.

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Anyone care to take a guess at what happened? Around 35 years old or so.
 

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Anyone care to take a guess at what happened? Around 35 years old or so.
You have hearing loss on your right-hand side, recorded at 6000 Hz. The data point at 6000 Hz probably does not reflect the peak of your hearing loss. That would be a complete fluke. More detailed testing at 250 Hz, or using smaller intervals such as 200 Hz or 100 Hz, would give you a clearer picture of your hearing loss in this range. You might find a bell curve or a skewed bell curve, and the 6000 Hz result would intersect that shape.

Alternatively, you might have a gradual loss of hearing beginning at 5000 Hz and continuing upward. By increasing the resolution of your testing, you will better understand exactly which frequencies are most affected. However, your audiologist probably will not perform this kind of testing.

The result at 8000 Hz on the right side is affected by the decibel hearing level (dB HL) method. This approach adjusts the high and low frequency data points in order to present a smooth and simplified result to the patient. In untreated hearing tests, it is common to see some hearing loss at both low and high frequencies, which is considered normal. The dB HL method tries to flatten the curve for easier interpretation.

Even with this adjustment in place, your audiogram still shows a drop at 8000 Hz, which is significant.

"Our ears do not respond equally to all frequencies. They are most sensitive in the middle range, roughly between 500 and 5000 Hz. Without the dB HL adjustment, a normal audiogram would appear more like an arch than a straight line, which can be more difficult for patients to understand."

The standard intervals used in audiogram testing skip over too much data to accurately show all areas of hearing loss. These common audiograms often have very limited value. A great deal of information between 500 Hz, 1000 Hz, 2000 Hz, 4000 Hz, and 6000 Hz is simply missed. Because testing typically stops at 8000 Hz, even more information in the higher frequencies is left out. That may be exactly where your tinnitus is coming from.

The results at 6000 Hz and 8000 Hz on your right side already suggest a downward trend in your hearing.

Damaged hearing cells do not recover. When they fail to provide enough input, the brain increases its sensitivity, which can lead to tinnitus. In an effort to compensate, nearby intact hearing cells may begin to respond to frequencies they are not naturally meant to detect. If that adaptation is successful, your tinnitus may decrease or even disappear.

However, because your hearing loss seems to progress in the higher ranges, this type of adaptation may not be enough to reduce high-frequency tinnitus.

Since natural sounds are always complex, it is unlikely that your hearing loss exists only within a narrow frequency band, especially if it was caused by noise exposure. A more detailed audiogram with higher frequency resolution would likely reveal moderate hearing loss across additional frequencies.

I have done some personal testing on my own ears and found that complex sounds—which span all frequency bands and are played at the correct intensity—can trigger hyperacusis. The sound duration I tested was 800 milliseconds, which is just under one second. Narrow band sounds did not trigger it. Very short sounds, such as 200 milliseconds, also did not trigger it.

The kind of sound I tested appears to activate all functioning hearing cells until it reaches the range where I have severe hearing loss. At that point, the higher frequencies in the sound are simply not detected by the remaining cells. I suspect that, due to recruitment, a group of somewhat damaged but still active cells is overburdened by the incoming sound, which results in pain.
 
Yeah, I mostly meant what on earth caused it.

I'm well aware of the limitations of standard audiograms, although I do appreciate your thorough rundown. But alas, it's what I have.

As for the tinnitus itself, one positive is that apart from a higher-frequency static hiss, it is not very piercing. The lower tones that come and go are actually the most bothersome.
 
Here are several audiograms done by an audiologist, along with my own hearing test, which I conducted in greater detail using noise-cancelling headphones and computer software.

This is what the chart shows:

1. My own measurements at 2000 Hz, 3000 Hz, 4000 Hz, and 6000 Hz are within 5 dB of the audiologist's measurements, indicating a reasonable match. Audiologist readings use 5 dB increments, which is relatively coarse.

2. The audiologist's measurements at 250 Hz and 8000 Hz show an upward shift, confirming that a dB-HL algorithm is being used. When you compare this with the raw dB measurements (the thin lines), you can see that my hearing deteriorates at those same frequencies. The audiologist's chart goes in the opposite direction.

3. There are large gaps in the audiologist's data. For example, the audiologist completely missed a hearing deficit in both ears at 4250 Hz. This frequency was not measured at all. The audiologist would likely say my hearing is fine for my age. That is not accurate. My tinnitus researcher reviewed this result and said it was "hidden hearing loss." That is also not accurate. It was never hidden—it was simply missed because the audiologist's testing protocol does not capture this vital information.

4. The audiologist's chart stops at 8000 Hz. I wanted to test further. My left-side measurements hit 100 percent volume on the Szynalski Tone Generator website at 7000 Hz, with an uptick at 8000 Hz. My right-side measurements show a more gradual decrease in hearing. I increased the browser input volume to get more range from the Szynalski Tone Generator volume slider. My tinnitus researcher recognized this as "turning up the gain."

5. I found a further drop in hearing capacity beyond -100 dB-HL. There are three distinct steps down in hearing on my left side. The third step is where my tinnitus is located. I can only estimate the actual hearing deficit in this range (aside from the 8000 Hz uptick), but I suspect it is well beyond -120 dB, which would qualify as profound hearing loss. This means I have tinnitus at a frequency where I am also mostly deaf. That makes tinnitus masking impossible and tinnitus retraining therapy (TRT) ineffective.

From here, the focus is on managing further risk. That means reducing unnecessary sound exposure and avoiding situations where noise might be present. I could still lose more hearing. Exposure to harmful volumes at 4250 Hz and above 6750 Hz could worsen my hearing loss and increase my tinnitus symptoms. My tinnitus tones are constant, 24 hours a day. It makes restorative sleep extremely difficult.
 

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Right, again, that is all well and good. I wish my audiologist had used your method and that in the future it will be standard, but they did not and it is not.

All standard tinnitus rules apply to me unless we determine there is some actual difference in the origin of the hearing damage.

I am well aware that my high frequencies are damaged on the right. I would also guess that a fair number of the outer hair cells are affected, given how poorly that ear picks up quiet finger rubbing. There is probably a large notch somewhere accounting for my fluctuating droning tone.

My question is, does the audiogram I currently have suggest any particular origin?
 

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