Benzos — It's More About Proper Use

[Laurie1961]

This can be done by using what's called a "substance biocircuit".

Lane this all sounds very interesting. In a physical way, if tinnitus is caused by a heavy metal, the sound vibration thing makes sense as a cause and as a method to move heavy metal about the body.

As far as the writer of this topic you answered, on Anxiety. If gut is off (and you might not recognize that) your brain won't get the chemicals it needs. HCl might help get the gut back to the right PH. If anxiety is a metal poisoning, could it be that anxiety maybe the adrenaline glands (on the kidney right?) are being hyper-activated by the presence of heavy metals that tend to muck up the renal tubules?

If anyone has severe anxiety, an OTC antihistamine with HCl for allergies might help.

 

[Jazzer]

Benzos can be helpful if used properly. If not, then problems can develop. What I have seen in a trauma level 1 ER over a 28 year period. To a few that this may interest - @dayma @Starthrower @Jazzer

Thanks for this info Greg.

So the perceived 'treatment' frequently makes the original problem far worse.
I have always had a deep distrust of psychiatric drugs; and for very good reason, so it seems.

My nephew (depression created by recreational drug abuse) and my son-in-law (bi-polar depression) both needed psychotherapy.
In both cases it was refused 'until their prescribed drug treatment was deemed to have made them susceptible to more therapeutic approaches.'

BULLSHIT !!!!!

(ie - they were not prepared, and could not be bothered with the cost of giving them proper humane treatments.)

Pascal (early thirties) and Mark (father of two, in his mid forties) committed suicide while under the 'care' of psychiatrists.

My belief:
your psychotherapist may well save your life,
your psychiatrist could well kill you.

To many, this will sound like sacrilege, but in both cases above, our families begged the psychiatrists for proper treatments.

For Christ sake - 'mere chemicals are not the answer.'
Yes - quick and easy - and dangerous, to me.







http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2014/05/22/xanax-related-er-visits-double-in-6-years/

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/the-other-prescription-drug-problem-benzos#1

***proper withdrawal***
https://drugabuse.com/library/benzodiazepine-withdrawal/

Benzos can be helpful if used properly. If not, then problems can develop. What I have seen in a trauma level 1 ER over a 28 year period. To a few that this may interest - @dayma @Starthrower @Jazzer


http://thechart.blogs.cnn.com/2014/05/22/xanax-related-er-visits-double-in-6-years/

https://www.healthline.com/health-news/the-other-prescription-drug-problem-benzos#1

***proper withdrawal***
https://drugabuse.com/library/benzodiazepine-withdrawal/

 

[Jazzer]

Thanks for this info Greg.

So the perceived 'treatment' frequently makes the original problem far worse.
I have always had a deep distrust of psychiatric drugs; and for very good reason, so it seems.

My nephew (depression created by recreational drug abuse) and my son-in-law (bi-polar depression) both needed psychotherapy.
In both cases it was refused 'until their prescribed drug treatment was deemed to have made them susceptible to more therapeutic approaches.'

BULLSHIT !!!!!

(ie - they were not prepared, and could not be bothered with the cost of giving them proper humane treatments.)

Pascal (early thirties) and Mark (father of two, in his mid forties) committed suicide while under the 'care' of psychiatrists.

My belief:
your psychotherapist may well save your life,
your psychiatrist could well kill you, it seems.

To many, this will sound like sacrilege, but in both cases above, our families begged the psychiatrists for proper treatments.

For Christ sake - 'mere chemicals are not the answer.'
Yes - quick and easy - and dangerous, to me.

 

[Autumnly]

So the perceived 'treatment' frequently makes the original problem far worse.

I'm putting this under spoiler as I'm not sure whether this is derailing the thread or not but still wanted to post this, hoping this is okay!

Spoiler

From what I've read and heard, the most crucial time in someone's recovery is once they start taking an antidepressant. Most people who kill themselves shortly after being on an antidepressant don't do so because the drug made their situation worse but because the drug gave them the energy to do so. This is why suicidality is a possible side effect, not because it makes them actually more suicidal but now that they're being slightly lifted out of their depression they have the energy to actually commit suicide.

"The effects of the antidepressant would sometimes allow patients the motivation and energy to act on an impulse or desire that their depression had previously kept them from acting on. This activation syndrome seems similar but with increased specificity and a new label." - source

"Researchers have previously speculated that when a person starts an antidepressant, they may suddenly have a surge of energy they didn't have before. If that person is suicidal, the effect may provide enough energy to act upon their feelings." - source

"Antidepressant therapy typically involves a substantial delay before clinically obvious improvements occur. During initial, partial recovery, it is possible that suicidal impulses as well as the energy to act on them may increase. Patients should be forewarned of this likely delay in treatment effects, should be given encouragement and monitored especially closely in the initial days and weeks of treatment. If full response to treatment is not observed, adjustments in medication dosage, or a change to a different antidepressant, may be necessary." - source

I wholeheartedly agree with @Jazzer that 'mere chemicals' are not the answer! Psychotherapy is essential while taking an antidepressant.

 

[Jazzer]

I'm putting this under spoiler as I'm not sure whether this is derailing the thread or not but still wanted to post this, hoping this is okay!

Spoiler

Many people, unfortunately, don't seem to know that the most crucial time in someone's recovery is once they start taking an antidepressant. From what I've read and heard, most people who kill themselves shortly after being on an antidepressant don't do so because the drug made their situation worse but because the drug gave them the energy to do so. This is why suicidality is a possible side effect, not because it makes them actually more suicidal but now that they're being slightly lifted out of their depression they have the energy to actually commit suicide.

"The effects of the antidepressant would sometimes allow patients the motivation and energy to act on an impulse or desire that their depression had previously kept them from acting on. This activation syndrome seems similar but with increased specificity and a new label." - source

"Researchers have previously speculated that when a person starts an antidepressant, they may suddenly have a surge of energy they didn't have before. If that person is suicidal, the effect may provide enough energy to act upon their feelings." - source

"Antidepressant therapy typically involves a substantial delay before clinically obvious improvements occur. During initial, partial recovery, it is possible that suicidal impulses as well as the energy to act on them may increase. Patients should be forewarned of this likely delay in treatment effects, should be given encouragement and monitored especially closely in the initial days and weeks of treatment. If full response to treatment is not observed, adjustments in medication dosage, or a change to a different antidepressant, may be necessary." - source

I wholeheartedly agree with @Jazzer that 'mere chemicals' are not the answer! Psychotherapy is essential while taking an antidepressant.

Very interesting points Autumnly.
That makes some sense to me.

Incidentally - what does 'spoiler' mean?
I'm a bit naive?

 

[Michael Leigh]

Sometimes, but not always, when I meditate, I am unaware of it.
The reality is that we all need to find the bery best coping methods for ourselves.
We are all trying to help each other, and at the very least, are keeping each other company.

@Jazzer

I know that you mean well and want to say a few things that may change your views on medications for Tinnitus or at least try to understand that they can be a help and not a hindrance as some people believe. Tinnitus comes in many forms and intensities and no two people experience it the same. In addition to this, a person's make up and in particular their living circumstances which we all have but again are different. Life is problematic and very few people escape problems of one sort or another. The stresses of life, coupled with loud intrusive tinnitus can be very debilitating and whilst one may not want to take medication and I'm referring to antidepressants and benzos such as clonazepam; if tinnitus is severe enough and this level of intensity is sustained, these medicines can help a lot in preventing a person's moods and mental wellbeing becoming too low, which may otherwise require them to be admitted into a psychiatric hospital.

I visit other tinnitus forums and whilst I don't want to divulge too much, correspond and counsel people to the best of my ability that ask for my help. Some are averse to taking antidepressant and benzo medication. I fully understand their reasons, but the result of not taking medication to help with severe intrusive tinnitus can become quite dire when one considers the depths this condition can take a person too.

Michael

 

[Jazzer]

@Jazzer

I know that you mean well and want to say a few things that may change your views on medications for Tinnitus or at least try to understand that they can be a help and not a hindrance as some people believe. Tinnitus comes in many forms and intensities and no two people experience it the same. In addition to this, a person's make up and in particular their living circumstances which we all have but again are different. Life is problematic and very few people escape problems of one sort or another. The stresses of life, coupled with loud intrusive tinnitus can be very debilitating and whilst one may not want to take medication and I'm referring to antidepressants and benzos such as clonazepam; if tinnitus is severe enough and this level of intensity is sustained, these medicines can help a lot in preventing a person's moods and mental wellbeing becoming too low, which may otherwise require them to be admitted into a psychiatric hospital.

I visit other tinnitus forums and whilst I don't want to divulge too much, corresponded and counsel people to the best of my ability that ask for my help. Some are averse to taking antidepressant and benzo medication. I fully understand their reasons, but the result of not taking medication to help with severe intrusive tinnitus can become quite dire when one considers the depths this condition can take a person too.

Michael

Thanks for this Michael, and I am very pleased that you have posted it, and put the situation from a different angle.
I completely agree with you regarding the depths of this hateful condition.

For myself, I have decided on some kind of stoical acceptance, meditation, self hypnosis, etc..
The condition is still there of course, and I have to imagine, it always will be.

Perhaps my unbelievably neglectful infancy gave me some kind of determination to go on - but I don't really know.

The two scenarios I gave of my family members being so let down, are obviously pertinent to me.
But I must leave this discussion as it is now.
By the way, thank you for your always informative posts.
Best wishes
Dave
Jazzer

 

[Michael Leigh]

Thank you for your kind comments @Jazzer and want to say again, that I'm sorry to hear of the loss of members of your family. I just want to finish by saying: Tinnitus has been around since the Egyptians, when the first medical account of it was recorded. Whilst their is still no cure for this condition like so many others, there are treatments that can help improve a person's quality of life, quite substantially in many instances.

I wish you well
Michael

 

[Jazzer]

Tinnitus has been around since the Egyptians,

- now you will understand why I avoid
'horizon watching.'

- not every palm tree indicates land....

 

[Jazzer]

Anybody out there.......

What is a 'Spoiler'.......?

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Jazzer @Michael Leigh @Autumnly

As to how to continue this conversation is difficult. All I can add are bits of health information where there are many variables. Medicine and proper medical therapy isn't a perfect science as outside influence from different groups can provide system pressure. Drug companies provide hospitals and doctors with incentives. Lobbyists and activists of all sorts have positioning within healthcare. Some doctors have photographic memories and are able to get thru med school - but that doesn't mean they are good doctors. Doctors and dentists will often cover each others' backs as in a Paul Newman movie. Hospitals and doctors cater to the rich and powerful. Hospitals will place free, flowers worth thousands of dollars in the rooms of the rich and/or famous. Who do you trust? Money talks and the super rich and leaders of society will get the best care. This is especially true if stress-related conditions are present. A movie was made about an electric utility company that caused cancer, birth defects and stress conditions to thousands in lower income communities.

I don't disagree with you Dave - Jazzer, but Michael has some good points. There are always lines that may need to be drawn such as with over use of hearing protection that may lower auditory threshold. Autumnly has provided some thoughtful study information in her above post.

Some benzos and ADs should only be used for certain body and mind conditions. Many of the older drugs are too powerful. Little was known about brain interaction and how they work. Autumnly and myself provided a link (160 pages) to a company that is FDA approved to do a final stage 3 study on a depression drug. So far there are no concerning side effects and only a 3-5 day taper is needed. It's also not a benzo. This company has researched brain activity like never before because they have hundreds of millions of dollars in backing. The drug, actually two drugs have brain influence to ALL the areas of the brain that tinnitus does. A tinnitus study should be coming as it is a subject concern to the company.

I'm so sorry for your loss Dave, but now medicine knows that anti-depressants need to be used less frequently in the treatment of bipolar disorder due to the risk of inducing rapid cycling or manic episodes. This link and the one that Autumnly has given provides information about this. https://www.healthyplace.com/bipola...s-of-bipolar-medication-and-how-to-treat-them

The links that I provided to start this thread include abuse and quick withdrawal, but benzos and ADs have many variables. The drugs need to be carefully selected for specific mind and body conditions. For many, long term use isn't recommended. Benzos and AD can interact badly with other drugs such as many pain medications.

My personal opinion is that the length of time for benzo use for many may have limitations. It's rare that a benzo used short term will spike tinnitus if used properly and with use of certain vitamins approved by a doctor. After withdrawal from a benzo the use of vitamins may need to be taken longer along with other therapies.

One of my biggest concerns when it comes to body and mind is physical pain and disease that may connect to their tinnitus or not.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Jazzer No one in your family should feel responsible for your son-in-law's situation. Many people with this condition like acceptance, but it's never enough. Along with this many people have mood swings - we are just human. There's only one aspect that can be a determining factor for this condition and that's intrusiveness like calling at three o'clock in the morning asking to borrow an iron. It's about wanting it now and I want perfectness - often with association to health. Whatever advice is given it will be over looked, but intrusiveness is the only way to confirm this condition.

 

[BobbyH]

Anybody out there.......

What is a 'Spoiler'.......?

Dave,

It's a way in a forum post to give the reader a "heads up" that they might not want to read it. People will do that if they're discussing a movie and someone will put the ending of the movie under a "spoiler alert" for those who haven't seen the movie yet. Or in the case of Autumnly did it because she thought it might derail the thread. It was a "side" post and a good way of saying....ignore this if going off topic will bother you.

Bobby

 

[BobbyH]

if tinnitus is severe enough and this level of intensity is sustained, these medicines can help a lot in preventing a person's moods and mental wellbeing becoming too low, which may otherwise require them to be admitted into a psychiatric hospital.

the result of not taking medication to help with severe intrusive tinnitus can become quite dire when one considers the depths this condition can take a person too.

Michael

This ^^^ is precisely why I take the meds that I do. I don't tell others to take these meds and my greatest hope is that someday I won't need them. But, in spite of the risks of these meds, I know in my heart that they keep me from permanently curing my own condition.

Thank you @Michael Leigh for writing this. I frequently hesitate to talk about my use of psych meds for fear of being judged. Your post means that at least one other person, in addition to my doctors, understand why I do what I do.

 

[Michael Leigh]

This ^^^ is precisely why I take the meds that I do. I don't tell others to take these meds and my greatest hope is that someday I won't need them. But, in spite of the risks of these meds, I know in my heart that they keep me from permanently curing my own condition.

Thank you @Michael Leigh for writing this. I frequently hesitate to talk about my use of psych meds for fear of being judged. Your post means that at least one other person, in addition to my doctors, understand why I do what I do.

Thank you for your kind comments @BobbyH I would like to give you some advice and hope that you do not mind. Firstly, I would like to say, that I am pleased that you have decided to medication to help with your tinnitus as this is the right course of action to take. Secondly, never be afraid to speak your mind if something that you sincerely believe in to be true then express it if you want to. We can't please everyone for there will always be someone with an axe to grind that won't like what you, I or someone else has to say. Writers, painters, musicians, politicians etc, come under constant criticism everyday. They take onboard what people have to say and dust themselves down and carry on and this is what we have to do.

I have spoken to people with tinnitus in a very emotional state and at the end of their tether. Medication has helped them cope with tinnitus and turned their life around as it did with me. One gentleman that I tried to help with tinnitus, was sadly admitted into a psychiatric hospital because he couldn't take the noise anymore and tried to self harm. He telephoned me from the hospital 5 times in one day and it was difficult for me to listen to the distress that he was in. Thankfully he did improve with the help of medication and was able to carry on with his life.

Take care and I hope that you continue to make improvement.
All the best

Michael

 

[glynis]

Medication can help but must be monitored closely with the treatment with regular reviews.

I was put on a AD med for osteoarthritis by the hospital for pain many years later I came down off it as had not had tramadol for years and I started suffering with depression as the meds helped the pain but my brain after 12 years was use to them and due to that im still on a AD.
I would never have taken them all them years ago for pain if new what it did to your mind.

I had a time needing a benzo but only was on 1mg a day and although put on my repeat perscription for a few months only took them for two weeks.
I think meds that effect the brain you should be given more support and told more about them as they get dished out like smarties .
love glynis

 

[Greg Sacramento]

I sometimes go to medical boards where doctors and dentists using made up identity names argue back and forth about tinnitus. Many neurosurgeons on these sites say tinnitus happens from physical hypersensitivity of nerves and cells where brain neutrons react, but no one knows why some develop tinnitus and others don't.

They mention that physical tinnitus can develop from nerve or soft tissue trauma within the neck or jaw or from muscle spasms where joints have been stressed. OK, we already know this and it can get complex, but I like what they say in the next paragraph.

Those with tinnitus should never blame themselves. They say that there's so many circuits of cells and nerves that it's impossible to predict who will get tinnitus. They mention that many people with bad posture or any bad habit do not get tinnitus. Some people live to be a 100 with bad habits and some conscious healthy people don't. On some medical boards neurosurgeons say that the mouth is the first place to look and dentists say no unless one hasn't been brushing their teeth.

 

[Jazzer]

@Greg Sacramento , @Michael Leigh ,

I would not criticise anybody for taking meds, but I will say this.

For myself, I do not trust drugs.
So you may take a drug, hoping for one specific outcome - a reduction in anxiety, or a reduction in depression - where the hoped for outcome is by no means certain - while you risk 37 unwanted side effects??

You may take an an antidepression tablet, where one of the listed side effects is an increase in suicidal thoughts??

Well big hairy bananas !!!
I am not that stupid!

These are gambles that are not going to appeal to me. No way.

What did Nardil and Librium ever have to do with my catastrophic infantile rejection and isolation?
Nothing.
So how could they cure those experiences?

The reasons for depression and anxiety are experiential.
The cures need to be experiential also.
That is where therapy becomes vital.

I know these are possibly very simplistic views, but I seem to hear sufferers eternally struggling to taper off of some drug or other.
If they didn't take these drugs that have a dubious efficacy in the first place, they wouldn't need to come off of them.

Just my way of looking at things.
Too much of a gamble for me.

Once you have taken a course of drugs,
you can not 'untake them' can you.
If there are unwanted side effects, what are you going to do?

 

[Michael Leigh]

For myself, I do not trust drugs.
So you may take a drug, hoping for one specific outcome - a reduction in anxiety, or a reduction in depression - where the hoped for outcome is by no means certain - while you risk 37 unwanted side effects??

You may take an an antidepression tablet, where one of the listed side effects is an increase in suicidal thoughts??

You are entitled to your opinion @Jazzer and have expressed it well. I hope that your tinnitus never gets severe enough that you will need to be hospitalized like some people. People talk to me in tears on the telephone as they are in total despair with the tinnitus noise. Medication as far as I'm concerned can be a formidable treatment in managing and coping with tinnitus and know this from personal experience.

The post below is for people that might be reading this thread and contemplating the use and effectiveness of medication for tinnitus and one's mental wellbeing. Properly managed by a doctor, they can be very effective in helping a person with tinnitus management.

Can antidepressants and other medications help tinnitus?

Tinnitus is a complex condition that comes in many forms and intensities and no two people experience it the same. It can be: mild, moderate, severe or extremely severe. Because its intensity can vary considerably, it can be difficult to know what another person is going through. When it is mild or moderate, many people are able to habituate to it and carry on with their life doing everything that they want to and may not always need a referral to ENT or a hearing therapist for treatment.

Tinnitus starts to become a problem when it loud and intrusive. If this level of intensity is sustained for a period of time, life can become a very traumatic experience, especially for someone that is new to the condition. A person's once peaceful world has suddenly been invaded by an unwanted interloper, and it can seem there is no end to the nightmare that has befallen upon them. Insomnia, stress and anxiety are common conditions affecting such a person, which can often make the tinnitus, seem louder and more intrusive. Stress makes tinnitus worse and tinnitus makes stress worse. So, the more relaxed someone is the less intrusive the tinnitus will appear to be and often making life more tolerable.

If your GP suggests taking an antidepressant or a sleeping draft then I advise you to consider it. However, for various reasons some people are averse to taking medications, and when it comes to antidepressants or sleeping tablets they vehemently oppose the idea and prefer to deal with the problem without assistance from prescription drugs. Admirable as this might seem, coping with intrusive tinnitus isn't easy. The usual methods of keeping busy to distract one's attention from the noise or masking it with another sound so that it can't be heard often prove unsuccessful and at times exhausting, because tinnitus is quite resilient and will put up a fight.

Contrary to what some people believe, antidepressants or other medications to help cope with tinnitus, don't have to be taken long term and can act as a safety net, helping to prevent a person becoming too down. Remember, the less stressed and relaxed we are, the less intrusive the tinnitus will appear to be. This can go a long way in helping a person to habituate to the condition with time.

Some medications can make tinnitus more intrusive and this has been said about antidepressants. However, in many cases the effects are usually temporary. As we are all different it wouldn't be right to say everyone that takes AD will be adversely affected. My blood pressure medicine is listed as "can cause ringing in the ears". I haven't noticed any increase in my tinnitus and I have been taking it for quite some time.

Life can be problematic even at the best of times. With the added pressure of coping with intrusive tinnitus, my advice is to try and make things a easier on yourself. Talk to your doctor and if an antidepressant or other medications is advised then try it and give it time to work, at least six weeks.

Michael

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Jazzer I need to start some serious pain medications for life, so I will never be able to use 'mind' drugs again. Plus I have a serious heart condition. I respect your thoughts as age also enters the equation, but hospital doctors may not consider age if they feel that they are needed.

I do also agree with Michael that some do need them, but hopefully a low dose will do. Some will take them as needed such as when T fluctuates from low to extreme. They may take these mind drugs for a couple of days/nights when this happens.

 

[Jazzer]

@Greg Sacramento

- I'll just remind you that two members of my immediate family committed suicide while under the "care" of psychiatrists, and while taking psychiatric medications.

.....er......it kind of colours your opinions slightly.

Not a great track record for this particular family would you say ??

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Jazzer Your son-in-law had a condition that wasn't his fault and it's really impossible for family members to help. This condition was unknown/understood with proper study until a few years ago. I had taken training on this at the K Street Mall that shared an entry way with Old Town years ago. I spent my lunch period every day at Old Town listening to Jazz. They knew nothing about this condition back then.

I was once a crisis counselor for both a hotline and later in a college setting. I was let go by the director of the hotline because I didn't follow his training procedures. I was young without any other related experience. He did not want us showing compassion by saying I'm sorry... A young girl called with a very sad story and I said that I was sorry - the director was monitoring and this happened right after receiving an excellent review.

I read your personnel postings and I shared with you by PM.
You are a beautiful person Dave and I respect your thoughts not only to others here, but to yourself.

 

[Jazzer]

@Jazzer I need to start some serious pain medications for life, so I will never be able to use 'mind' drugs again. Plus I have a serious heart condition. I respect your thoughts as age also enters the equation, but hospital doctors may not consider age if they feel that they are needed.

I do also agree with Michael that some do need them, but hopefully a low dose will do. Some will take them as needed such as when T fluctuates from low to extreme. They may take these mind drugs for a couple of days/nights when this happens.

I have to ask you Greg,
do you meditate........?

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Jazzer I have a lot of physical problems with pain, but my facial and mouth from dental nerve damage is unbearable. My entire mouth, gums, teeth, lips, jaw and face are burning with pain. This situation has been getting worse. Before I was able to meditate, but now I find it hard to even type a sentence.

 

[Jazzer]

@Jazzer I have a lot of physical problems with pain, but my facial and mouth from dental nerve damage is unbearable. My entire mouth, gums, teeth, lips, jaw and face are burning with pain. This situation has been getting worse. Before I was able to meditate, but now I find it hard to even type a sentence.

Dear Greg - I am so so sorry my friend.
What wretched conditions you have been forced to bear. So hateful.
Far from believing in god, my own feeling is that
'the universe doesn't give a pickled shit!'

We are both suffering as a result of the 'cause and effect' of the vile incompetence of other people.
There is no justice in this life.

There is nothing very much to help us with what life has dumped on us.
One thing that does help to some degree is the understanding, the love and deep concern of other people - you for me - me for you etc...

Obviously, in a life full of considerable psychological trauma I have considered god.
At no time have I 'felt' his presence with me.
Yes - I have prayed my heart out, with tears running down my face, so often as a child, and very frequently as an adult, and the net result for me has been
- guess what - nothing!

My integrity and my logic are unmoved by the vile biblical threats of 'hell fire' etc.... implicit in the wonderful biblical message of an all-loving god.
Ineffable love - eh?
(Believe - out of fear - no thanks - I have more self respect than that.)

So with absolutely no faith in even the existence of an 'almighty,' with no cure or even treatments for these hateful ailments that continually attack us, virtually the only thing that gives us any respite, is the loving care that we can show each other, with this human predicament in which we all find ourselves.

Blimey Greg - I'm really going for it this morning mate - and I haven't even had a cup of tea yet!

Very best wishes Greg - thank you for your very kind words - they help of course.
So to sum up - what I do believe in is
'the lovely kindness of good people,'
and that's you my friend.

So I'll just leave you with a couple of irreverent thoughts.....

 

[Jazzer]

@Greg Sacramento
Another couple of beauties for you Greg.......

 

[Greg Sacramento]

@Jazzer - Dave, I couldn't agree more with your expressions in your last two posts to me. Thank you so much for your caring.

 

[glynis]

@Greg Sacramento ,
Like you I suffered greatly from a dental procedure affecting my nose and sinus area but was put down to a sinus problem and my allergies but after letting them know What I had done they said it was possible.
Happy to say over a year it all calmed down and now gone and just allergies as normal.
never give up hope...
love glynis

 

[Starthrower]

Hi everyone. I haven't had time to read each thread carefully yet. I see a lot of truth in everyone's experiences.
Somehow maybe breaking this down into two different - rather than combining - anxiety medications and A/D and the medications @Jazzer has mentioned (losing his family members) - and @Lane's excellent post - would be more effective?

First though I needed some time to regroup my uneasiness. This is such a difficult subject to address and so many of us have our own personal issues and bad experiences that are all very important to respect.

@BobbyH thank you so much for participating here! I was on the same type of protocol with my doctor(s). When a tinnitus patient like @TracyJS tries to explain that anxiety from the intrusive noise is so bad the doctors hear the wrong message. They translate this to depression. Clinical depression is a separate issue during this stage (if a patient has not been diagnosed with the condition prior to tinnitus).

I am not a big supporter of A/Ds. Not for this condition at first contact. The anxiety the loss of sleep and eating and fear and other associated issues are best addressed with other therapies. But with tinnitus it is a real physical reaction.

Short time use on xanax (mostly because it had been shown to help the tinnitus issue better) under a doctor's care can help the patient move on towards other therapies like meditation or hypnosis or CBT.

For some reason I never experience a tolerance level. I never had to increase the low dose in three years. But everyone's physical make-up is different. Many people have problems with addictive qualities which needs to be carefully considered.

Jazzer's loss - I agree - I cannot go into detail right now about the other types of mind altering medications given without proper montioring. The doctors tried to make me take all kinds of A/Ds. But in my gut I knew something wasn't right about that for me in particular.

@Greg Sacramento in most parts I agree with you. I understand the pain from the dental. It is what ruined my life in 2002. A botched root canal that was in my lower back jaw. The drilling not only damaged my jaw bone but also my inner ear nerves. Way to much to write about now. I am sending my caring thoughts as you deal with the pain. I hope we can still talk more when you are able.


@Lane thanks so much for information. I am taking some time to read over the info and your links. As you know I think in prior threads we crossed paths with good information.

I'm taking heart from some of the courageous comments by @Starthrower however, and have decided to share a bit more on some of my extensive experiences with energy medicine, including homeopathy. My own experiences and perspectives tell me that you have more choices than you may realize, if you're open to various kinds of energetic therapies.

Much love,

Jen

 

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@Starthrower
I do have some concern regarding tolerance and Xanax. I fear I could develop a tolerance and then have a much harder time.
In terms of an AD, the thinking is that this could help the anxiety. I guess there is less of a risk of tolerance, but there's still a concern about how it would affect tinnitus both short term and long term.
I'm still struggling with this decision and more of my life and self are slipping away...