BEWARE of the ECoG Test! Made My Tinnitus Much Worse

[linearb]

I refused an ECOG yesterday and the audiologist told me that she probably wouldn't have even asked if I was willing to try it, because "I never want to risk doing anything that could make a situation worse".

Good audiologists exist, folks.

 

[dpdx]

I refused an ECOG yesterday and the audiologist told me that she probably wouldn't have even asked if I was willing to try it, because "I never want to risk doing anything that could make a situation worse".

Good audiologists exist, folks.

You made a good decision. I regret what I did every day. Here I am with Severe H and Severe T.

 

[OnceUponaTime]

Here I am with Severe H and Severe T

So sorry. I hope the hyperacusis goes away. What have you tried or done to help the H??
Once

 

[AZeurotuner]

@dpdx Is the eeg test safe??? It looks like it is....what do you guys think?
Once

From what I read it doesn't appear to be a "dangerous" test. What it does appear to be is a scam.

Auditory Evoked Potential Response and Hearing Loss: A Review
M. P Paulraj, Kamalraj Subramaniam, [...], and C. R Hema

"EEG based hearing threshold level determination is most suitable for persons who lack verbal communication and behavioral response to sound stimulation."

It seems like this test is most useful for individuals that can't speak, or can, but aren't able to intelligently relay information (such as young children).

Another thing I don't understand is why audiologists insist on all these tests when the therapy is almost guaranteed to simply consist of WNGs and CBT. You don't need a bunch of fancy test to tell you that you have tinnitus and hyperacusis. It's tantamount to giving a blind man a vision test.

$1600 for a near useless test that only takes an hour to perform? Sounds like a racket to me.

 

[OnceUponaTime]

@AZeurotuner

My mistake, it is actually a qEEG test. This is not a hearing test at all. It is a brain test. It is not performed by an audiologist. Its about 20/30 minutes.

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitology-and-dr-abraham-shulman.28392/

Once

 

[AZeurotuner]

@AZeurotuner

My mistake, it is actually a qEEG test. This is not a hearing test at all. It is a brain test.

Once

Seems that a QEEQ only differs from a standard EEG is the sense that it "compares your client's EEG to that of a normative database".

I'm calling BS either way. I don't understand why an audiologist need this test to treat tinnitus and hyperacusis. They're making $1600 for an hour of monitoring brain waves, when a much simpler and cheaper speech audiometry test can do the same thing.

 

[AZeurotuner]

@AZeurotuner

My mistake, it is actually a qEEG test. This is not a hearing test at all. It is a brain test. It is not performed by an audiologist. Its about 20/30 minutes.

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitology-and-dr-abraham-shulman.28392/

Once

Also, I don't understand why measuring a patient's ability to decipher speech helps their treatment of tinnitus and hyperacusis. It's not like they can regenerate your hearing. At this point I can completely understand why folks like @Contrast hate audiologists so much. Seems like most (not all) just want to send a massive bill to your insurance company to line their own pockets.

 

[OnceUponaTime]

why measuring a patient's ability to decipher speech helps their treatment of tinnitus

Uhh??? I dont understand this? No one is measuring my ability to decipher speech. Im not seeing an audiologist either.
I think you have some tests confused here.

https://brainworksneurotherapy.com/qeeg-brain-mapping


Once

 

[AZeurotuner]

@Dizzyhead888 @just1morething
@dpdx I just went to see Dr. Abraham Shulman in Brooklyn, he wants me to have the electrocochleaography test done. I really was not expecting this.... I dont think Im doing it. He said either way we will move forward and try to find a therapy that will help me. Have another appointment in 2 weeks.

He also wants me to do the EEG test. I do not think that's dangerous but who knows. Problem is the test costs $1650, the foundation/grant will cover $650 and I have to pay the rest. My insurance covers it as long as it is done in network.... well, guess what, the lab he referred me to is OUT of network. ugh. Trying to find and in network lab that will do this test.

Waiting on Neuromod.
Once

This post makes it seem as if you were. You expressed your frustration with the cost of the test and ended it by saying you were waiting on Neuromod. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[OnceUponaTime]

This post makes it seem as if you were. You expressed your frustration with the cost of the test and ended it by saying you were waiting on Neuromod. Sorry for the confusion.

Yeah, the cost of the test was all sort out by my insurance. No problem there now.
Yes, I am waiting on Neuromod to deliver something better than pills, but if while I am waiting there's something I can do to get relief, Im willing to try it.

Once

 

[Lane]

My theory is still that the damage cant heal simply because our cochlear fluids are devoid of healing factors that are present in human blood.

@JohnAdams -- You may want to check out THIS VIDEO, where the speaker expresses a great deal of optimism about healing the inner ears. The segment from about the 24:00 Mark to the 29.++ Mark kind of gives the gist of his optimism. His main point appears to be his belief that nerve cells at the base of the hair cells (which are seldom damaged) can be revitalized with stem cells, positively affecting the connected hair cells.

 

[JohnAdams]

@JohnAdams -- You may want to check out THIS VIDEO, where the speaker expresses a great deal of optimism about healing the inner ears. The segment from about the 24:00 Mark to the 29.++ Mark kind of gives the gist of his optimism. His main point appears to be his belief that nerve cells at the base of the hair cells (which are seldom damaged) can be revitalized with stem cells, positively affecting the connected hair cells.

I hope you're right.

 

[Blue28]

IMO some of the tests that audiologists perform are unnecessary and damaging to an already compromised auditory system. I learned this the hard way

 

[dpdx]

IMO some of the tests that audiologists perform are unnecessary and damaging to an already compromised auditory system. I learned this the hard way

You did microsection right? oh man that is a guarantee hearing damage.

 

[Blue28]

You did microsection right? oh man that is a guarantee hearing damage.

Yes I had microsuction, it wasn't explained to me and I didn't know what it was. I just went to see an ENT as I had a wax build-up in my ear... He suctioned both and caused an acoustic trauma. Microsuction should be banned imo.