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Elmer B Fuddled said:
@Michael Leigh has had tinnitus for a number of years. His knowledge of tinnitus is very accurate, although some may not agree, but if you read what he has contributed to tinnitus on here, it explains a lot.
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I agree with some of what Michael says. But also some of it not so much. I think the biggest issue is how he handles criticism.

I have heard elsewhere how blood pressure can influence tinnitus.
 
#7,472
Elmer B Fuddled said:
Here's a weird one. My tinnitus used to sometimes go over the top. After my blood pressure went out of control, my ears really started ringing, which high blood pressure will do. Now that the high blood pressure is under control, all ringing has become very mild. Some days I don't have any ringing going on. The hell's going on here?
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It is a truly bizarre condition and who knows what the hell's going on but to be honest, whatever it is you've done to get the ringing down to mild, keep doing it lol.
 
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Just back from Denmark. Here's a photo of the hotel we were in, on the 21st floor.

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UKBloke said:
It is a truly bizarre condition and who knows what the hell's going on but to be honest, whatever it is you've done to get the ringing down to mild, keep doing it lol.
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Yeah, well, it didn't last long. Tinnitus decided it's time to strike again, loud and clear.
 
#7,474
Elmer B Fuddled said:
Yeah, well, it didn't last long. Tinnitus decided it's time to strike again, loud and clear.
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Got talking with a customer today who told me he's got Ménière's. When I asked him if he suffered with tinnitus as well, his face scrunched up while he told me of the awful screeching that was so loud it used to wake him in the middle of the night. "Used to wake you?" I asked. "Yes" he said, "I thought I was going completely deaf because all I could hear was screeching. But then I was prescribed Amitriptyline, which I took for a couple of years and eventually the tinnitus went. I haven't suffered with it since 2018."

He still gets wobbly on his feet with Ménière's but today is tinnitus free. Funny old world.
 
#7,475
UKBloke said:
Got talking with a customer today who told me he's got Ménière's. When I asked him if he suffered with tinnitus as well, his face scrunched up while he told me of the awful screeching that was so loud it used to wake him in the middle of the night. "Used to wake you?" I asked. "Yes" he said, "I thought I was going completely deaf because all I could hear was screeching. But then I was prescribed Amitriptyline, which I took for a couple of years and eventually the tinnitus went. I haven't suffered with it since 2018."

He still gets wobbly on his feet with Ménière's but today is tinnitus free. Funny old world.
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The cynic might ask: "was the cure as a result of the Amitriptyline or would/did the tinnitus go away of its own accord?"

The answer, I guess is: "draw up the sample group and the control group and start popping them pills."

:coffee:
 
#7,476
UKBloke said:
Got talking with a customer today who told me he's got Ménière's. When I asked him if he suffered with tinnitus as well, his face scrunched up while he told me of the awful screeching that was so loud it used to wake him in the middle of the night. "Used to wake you?" I asked. "Yes" he said, "I thought I was going completely deaf because all I could hear was screeching. But then I was prescribed Amitriptyline, which I took for a couple of years and eventually the tinnitus went. I haven't suffered with it since 2018."

He still gets wobbly on his feet with Ménière's but today is tinnitus free. Funny old world.
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I don't think I could agree to a medication that knocks tinnitus out. It may decrease the ringing. Once the hair cells become damaged, the brain is picking up signals from the ears and those signals display that your hearing is screwed. There's no cure. Anything promising a cure is snake oil.
 
#7,483
kingsfan said:
My tinnitus has been far less stable after having COVID-19. I hope I never catch it again.
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Well, fasten your seat-belt the winter wave of respiratory infections are on their way. I just got a blast of something... flu or something just this week which had my tinnitus on a spike. C'est la vie.
 
#7,484
Elmer B Fuddled said:
I don't think I could agree to a medication that knocks tinnitus out. It may decrease the ringing. Once the hair cells become damaged, the brain is picking up signals from the ears and those signals display that your hearing is screwed. There's no cure. Anything promising a cure is snake oil.
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You're spot on Elmer.

There ain't no cure and there almost certainly never will be.

Our hearing has been compromised by volume damage, and there's no way back from that. The best we can do is learn a psychological adjustment. I have done this - and I'm okay with it folks.

Dave
Jazzer
 
#7,485
Jazzer said:
You're spot on Elmer.

There ain't no cure and there almost certainly never will be.

Our hearing has been compromised by volume damage, and there's no way back from that. The best we can do is learn a psychological adjustment. I have done this - and I'm okay with it folks.

Dave
Jazzer
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I mean, it may take time, but with human ingenuity, I believe there could be a way back from it. Hell, we transplant people's hearts and livers, if we could just figure out how to make nerve regrowth faster, who's to say we couldn't grow a new cochlea and connect it, or get what remains to fix itself? Now is that a thing I would recommend banking on in the next 20 years? The more advanced version, probably not, but there's certainly things we can do for some of the nerves.
 
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I'd like to put it on the record that my post regarding the conversation I had with a guy who took Amitriptyline was in no way meant to promote that drug as a cure for knocking out tinnitus. Also, I relayed the anecdote here fully aware (having observed how conversations on this website pan out) that what may seem to work for one person often makes another worse.

Obviously I wasn't going to tell the guy his story was BS. Neither did I feel the need to challenge him about Amitriptyline because he wasn't trying to promote it. He was just relaying his experience, and regardless of the process involved I thought it worth repeating here because it's a positive story.

Regarding a cure: I've reached the conclusion that tinnitus won't be solved until Big Academia/Pharma (i.e. the organisations with the resources) fund those researchers (and not the journeymen and women) who can challenge the existing paradigm; i.e. the one that is attempting to solve something it can neither define nor objectively measure.

To cure this condition we need to move beyond the flawed idea (IMHO) that damaged hair cells cause tinnitus. If that were the case, every person with hearing loss would experience tinnitus and we know that's not true. There is something else at play and the path to treatments lies in solving that. Unfortunately I see very few professional tinnitus researchers discussing that contradiction, which is something I hope will change over the coming years.
 
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UKBloke said:
I'd like to put it on the record that my post regarding the conversation I had with a guy who took Amitriptyline was in no way meant to promote that drug as a cure for knocking out tinnitus. Also, I relayed the anecdote here fully aware (having observed how conversations on this website pan out) that what may seem to work for one person often makes another worse.

Obviously I wasn't going to tell the guy his story was BS. Neither did I feel the need to challenge him about Amitriptyline because he wasn't trying to promote it. He was just relaying his experience, and regardless of the process involved I thought it worth repeating here because it's a positive story.

Regarding a cure: I've reached the conclusion that tinnitus won't be solved until Big Academia/Pharma (i.e. the organisations with the resources) fund those researchers (and not the journeymen and women) who can challenge the existing paradigm; i.e. the one that is attempting to solve something it can neither define nor objectively measure.

To cure this condition we need to move beyond the flawed idea (IMHO) that damaged hair cells cause tinnitus. If that were the case, every person with hearing loss would experience tinnitus and we know that's not true. There is something else at play and the path to treatments lies in solving that. Unfortunately I see very few professional tinnitus researchers discussing that contradiction, which is something I hope will change over the coming years.
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Hasn't there already been research saying it's not just damaged hair cells but damaged nerves.
 
#7,488
Utdmad89 said:
Hasn't there already been research saying it's not just damaged hair cells but damaged nerves.
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That's not really the point I was making, but yes there is research into nerve damage or so-called 'hidden hearing loss' as a causal factor. There's also Ménière's, viral, COVID-19/jabs, barotrauma, microsuction, stress, depression etc etc etc.

These 'causes' are often presented to us in terms of the heterogeneity of tinnitus but I believe this is misleading and that they are actually satellites to a central phenomena - the "something else going on upstream" hinted at in Rauschecker's paper from way back.

Even though recent studies are still being carried out into hidden hearing loss, I'm not aware that researchers have stated categorically that every person who suffers with chronic tinnitus exhibits hidden hearing loss. It seems to me this type of nerve damage can just as easily be another trigger to a malfunctioning upstream mechanism that only exists in tinnitus sufferers.

FWIW, I believe these upstream mechanisms are fundamentally neural in nature. I also wonder whether or not similar systems are at play in other neural issues, which is why I recently posited a question (which unfortunately hasn't received any replies) regarding schizophrenia. I can't see there being a great deal of difference between hearing phantom voices and hearing phantom screeching other than each of them originating from different processing centres in the brain. Perhaps the two conditions share a common bio-marked denominator that could be investigated.

Anyhow, this is what I mean by changing the paradigm. I hope for the appearance of a new generation of tinnitus researchers; a bit of new creative blood to potentially open up some fresh paths of research.
 
#7,489
UKBloke said:
That's not really the point I was making, but yes there is research into nerve damage or so-called 'hidden hearing loss' as a causal factor. There's also Ménière's, viral, COVID-19/jabs, barotrauma, microsuction, stress, depression etc etc etc.

These 'causes' are often presented to us in terms of the heterogeneity of tinnitus but I believe this is misleading and that they are actually satellites to a central phenomena - the "something else going on upstream" hinted at in Rauschecker's paper from way back.

Even though recent studies are still being carried out into hidden hearing loss, I'm not aware that researchers have stated categorically that every person who suffers with chronic tinnitus exhibits hidden hearing loss. It seems to me this type of nerve damage can just as easily be another trigger to a malfunctioning upstream mechanism that only exists in tinnitus sufferers.

FWIW, I believe these upstream mechanisms are fundamentally neural in nature. I also wonder whether or not similar systems are at play in other neural issues, which is why I recently posited a question (which unfortunately hasn't received any replies) regarding schizophrenia. I can't see there being a great deal of difference between hearing phantom voices and hearing phantom screeching other than each of them originating from different processing centres in the brain. Perhaps the two conditions share a common bio-marked denominator that could be investigated.

Anyhow, this is what I mean by changing the paradigm. I hope for the appearance of a new generation of tinnitus researchers; a bit of new creative blood to potentially open up some fresh paths of research.
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I remember reading your post about schizophrenia and I can see where you're coming from in regards to its relevance in investigations. It brings to mind the recent discovery by researchers investigating Alzheimer's disease in which they found a potential link between gum disease and Dementia. It's unexpected findings like these (connection between oral health and neurological conditions for instance) that can lead us to new paths of research.

It's all about opening new avenues for exploring links/connections between tinnitus and other factors, especially when prior associations, like hearing loss, show contradictions in their research. I'm on the same page as you.
 
#7,490
I had an email from the audiologist for a 2-year hearing check-up. Of course it's right in the middle of the tinnitus having a fun time without asking permission to drive me nutter than I am. The appointment is tomorrow. I shall update the outcome of the test.
 
#7,491
Jazzer said:
There ain't no cure and there almost certainly never will be.

Our hearing has been compromised by volume damage, and there's no way back from that. The best we can do is learn a psychological adjustment. I have done this - and I'm okay with it folks.
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There is nothing fundamental preventing the finding of a cause and a cure for tinnitus, so likely there will be a solution in the future. But probably not in the near future. I think that the cure may come through stem cell therapy or nanorobotics.

If only humanity spent as many resources on science and medicine as it spends on war... That future could be much closer.
 
#7,492
Hearing test done. It hasn't changed so that's good. I had hearing aids adjusted so that I can wear them. They were way out, to the point that any loud noise had me pulling them out.
 
#7,493
Elmer B Fuddled said:
Hearing test done. It hasn't changed so that's good. I had hearing aids adjusted so that I can wear them. They were way out, to the point that any loud noise had me pulling them out.
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Glad you resolved that issue my elder brother.

Now that you stopped pulling your hearing aids out, you can work on not pulling your pecker out as the neighbors may get vexed with your eccentric behavior.

Love and hugs to you and the family. Stay well Elmer.

Daniel
 
#7,494
Daniel Lion said:
Now that you stopped pulling your hearing aids out, you can work on not pulling your pecker out as the neighbors may get vexed with your eccentric behavior.

Love and hugs to you and the family. Stay well Elmer.

Daniel
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I live in the mountains so I can step outside any time and extract myself to pee any damn place I want, with or without my hearing aids.
 

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