Which form of magnesium do you guys recommend for T and H? I ended up going with glycinate 400mg daily. Does it matter if its citrate, glycinate, or any of the other forms?
Choosing the Right Magnesium?
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Different forms of magnesium absorb at different rates.
If magnesium causes a temporary spike in T, there is no reason to think that it is anything more sinister than a temporary spike in T.
Magnesium does seem to spike my T, and I would therefore not use it just for that. It also helps with muscle tension, though when used orally it can also cause me some insomnia and GI problems.
Overall I've gotten wary of taking isolated chemicals as supplements. I think that if I want to bump my magnesium intake, yI should start by basing your diet around leafy greens, eg, "the thing that we evolved to use as a dietary base which contains a plethora of vitamins, minerals and nutrients in addition to magnesium". I don't always have the patience to eat two bundles of kale a day, but, hey, that's why god gave me the money to buy a juicer :-P
If magnesium causes a temporary spike in T, there is no reason to think that it is anything more sinister than a temporary spike in T.
Magnesium does seem to spike my T, and I would therefore not use it just for that. It also helps with muscle tension, though when used orally it can also cause me some insomnia and GI problems.
Overall I've gotten wary of taking isolated chemicals as supplements. I think that if I want to bump my magnesium intake, yI should start by basing your diet around leafy greens, eg, "the thing that we evolved to use as a dietary base which contains a plethora of vitamins, minerals and nutrients in addition to magnesium". I don't always have the patience to eat two bundles of kale a day, but, hey, that's why god gave me the money to buy a juicer :-P
Magnesium glycinate is the best form to take. After years and years of supplementing, I am just learning this now. I was ignorant and assumed magnesium was magnesium and didn't realize the various forms. Research!
The problem with getting mag from food sources is the soil is severely lacking the mineral due to modern agricultural practices. Pretty much the average population on whole is lacking and therefore supplements are crucial for your overall health. Magnesium is a very, very important mineral.
Or you can grow your own crops and test your soil for magnesium but that isn't very easy to do.
Due to my pain issues I am now on a very high dose of mag glycinate that was scripted to me by my pain doc.
The problem with getting mag from food sources is the soil is severely lacking the mineral due to modern agricultural practices. Pretty much the average population on whole is lacking and therefore supplements are crucial for your overall health. Magnesium is a very, very important mineral.
Or you can grow your own crops and test your soil for magnesium but that isn't very easy to do.
Due to my pain issues I am now on a very high dose of mag glycinate that was scripted to me by my pain doc.
Yes! read my post.
Other forms don't easily absorb well and also some are useless and basically act like a laxative.Research
I hate to be a pessimist but I don't think it matters. I think you'll find no matter what, it won't help tinnitus.
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Really Dr.Nagler? You understand the effects of magnesium and how it could be helpful overall in a person with hyperacusis? Cause I do. No cure, but helpful..for anxious person with T too.. eh well..regardless still good for you.
Yes, really. I really agree with @MattK's post. You seem to feel differently about it.
Anyway, here's to quieter days ahead for all!
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There are a number of studies that indicate a correlation between intake of magnesium and the suppression of symptoms of tinnitus/auditory function. I do not immediately have an opinion on the studies themselves. But what I can say is that the heterogeneity of the etiologies behind tinnitus probably contribute to the potential inability to demonstrate efficacy in some studies. A clear cut view of sub-units of tinnitus is necessary (= essential) in order to conduct a proper study.
The use of existing drugs being re-purposed for the study of tinnitus is exactly what Prof. Moore (and colleagues) are conducting research on (which would, for example, include the use of Trobalt):
www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/team-trobalt-update-%E2%80%94-april-9-2015.9064
[USERGROUP=11]@Team Trobalt[/USERGROUP] is with the help of TRI currently attempting to document the efficacy of Trobalt in a more refined sub-set of patients using case studies (as a "consequence" of the information documented in the following very recent animal-study):
www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/new-study-on-trobalt-maxipost-in-relation-to-shl-induced-tinnitus.9505
For good tinnitus research, it is all about reducing heterogeneity in the study population.
As for studies on Magnesium in relation to tinnitus, auditory insults and recovery (which is the subject of this thread), here are a couple that suggest efficacy to some degree:
attheedgeofscience
08/JUN/2015.
The use of existing drugs being re-purposed for the study of tinnitus is exactly what Prof. Moore (and colleagues) are conducting research on (which would, for example, include the use of Trobalt):
www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/team-trobalt-update-%E2%80%94-april-9-2015.9064
[USERGROUP=11]@Team Trobalt[/USERGROUP] is with the help of TRI currently attempting to document the efficacy of Trobalt in a more refined sub-set of patients using case studies (as a "consequence" of the information documented in the following very recent animal-study):
www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/new-study-on-trobalt-maxipost-in-relation-to-shl-induced-tinnitus.9505
For good tinnitus research, it is all about reducing heterogeneity in the study population.
As for studies on Magnesium in relation to tinnitus, auditory insults and recovery (which is the subject of this thread), here are a couple that suggest efficacy to some degree:
- www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22249877
- www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19084059
- www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12170143
attheedgeofscience
08/JUN/2015.
Perhaps I spoke too hastily. I suppose if tinnitus could be caused by s variety of factors, and peoples tinnitus reacts differently to different things, then it's not that surprising that magnesium might bring some people relief. But that has not been my experience nor the experience of other people I know. So I remain skeptical, but everyone should do what they believe helps.
Actually, I liked it better the way you stated it the first time!
I think that ultimately any effect of magnesium in lowering tinnitus will be found to be purely placebo. Same deal as Vitamin C and the common cold - a lot of initial excitement followed by a dose of reality. The only real winner here is the supplement industry.
I fully agree. Believe me, I would LOVE it if magnesium helped. Same thing with vit C. A few years ago I had a bad cold coming on. So I fell for the bs if taking 1000 mg of vit c every hour... Yeah that did jack crap and wasted money.
Saying you don't believe something will be of help is generally an unpopular position on a support board, which is - after all - a place people turn to for help.
But as a medical doctor I just think that it does the fine folks on this board a disservice for me to state something I do not believe to be true ... simply because it is what they want to hear.
But as a medical doctor I just think that it does the fine folks on this board a disservice for me to state something I do not believe to be true ... simply because it is what they want to hear.
Something for all to consider: Dr. Nagler is an MD who treats tinnitus and I'm sure he's seen it all and has heard it all. If magnesium or any supplement worked, he'd most likely know. And since he also has tinnitus, he'd probably be thrilled if it were as easy as popping a mg pill.
This. First zinc. Then it was Ginko biloba and now magnesium and NAC. It would be so easy to double blind trial these to see if they really work.
Negative results are seldom published, which is why the question is still up in the air. If it did anything, we would know about it already and people would be making bank out of it.
I have ordered magnesium citrate in the hope that it will relax my neck muscles. I got T from a concussion and suspect that the hit has misaligned my upper cervical vertebra and resulted in neck muscles spasm contributing to the tinnitus volume. I am not even sure if all this is happening but thought to give magnesium a try in the hope that it will relax my neck muscles if that is the case.
I know all this sounds absurd & crazy but I don't want to leave any stone unturned in this condition. I dont expect magnesium to directly affect my T but maybe somewhat indirectly. The suppliment is calmagzinc having calcium magnesium and zinc
I know all this sounds absurd & crazy but I don't want to leave any stone unturned in this condition. I dont expect magnesium to directly affect my T but maybe somewhat indirectly. The suppliment is calmagzinc having calcium magnesium and zinc
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For what it's worth--can't the truth be somewhere in between "does not work" and "is a cure for tinnitus"?
@Dr. Nagler, from what I am reading, seems to be indicating that magnesium has no effect on tinnitus whatsoever. @attheedgeofscience is indicating that there may be some pharmaceutical effect on certain subtypes of tinnitus:
In the spirit of support, I think it is logical to suggest to tinnitus sufferers that supplements like this are not likely to help you significantly with your tinnitus, like you and Dr. Nagler have suggested. But in the spirit of the "research" and "awareness" side, I also don't think it is wise to completely close off discussion regarding any potential source of tinnitus relief, regardless of to which degree or which subtype it may help.
@marqualler for research purposes everything is worth looking into. But from my personal experience and the experience of people I know personally, magnesium in any form doesn't help.
But something else to consider. Magnesium might be a relatively safe supplement but taking supplements in general can be dangerous as they are unregulated.
Keep in mind, I am not anti-supplement. And I'm not saying magnesium has no benefits but I have serious doubts about it helping tinnitus.
But something else to consider. Magnesium might be a relatively safe supplement but taking supplements in general can be dangerous as they are unregulated.
Keep in mind, I am not anti-supplement. And I'm not saying magnesium has no benefits but I have serious doubts about it helping tinnitus.
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Right, but the point is that regardless of one's personal opinion on whether something works or doesn't work, the research is currently still "up in the air."
Support and research & awareness are two sides of the same coin.
And I am most definitely not "completely closing off discussion." I offered my view of things. Sure, as Matt points out, I've got a bit of experience in my back pocket - but still and all, it's my view of things.
Regarding the magnesium studies cited above, only one of the three was a tinnitus study. And that one (as has already been mentioned) was neither blinded nor controlled. More significant than that is the journal in which it appeared. But you have to know a little about the history of the International Tinnitus Journal to appreciate my point.
I would be interested in knowing the history of this journal. All I can see if that it publishes sometimes strange papers (in my opinion), is almost never cited and its last issue dates back from december 2013.
I'd like to know why the word " cure " got thrown into this thread because that is not what the OP asked.
Maybe people ought to read posts properly and respond accordingly.
Also if you haven't bothered to research, don't bother to respond. Dude just wanted to know if he chose the right form of mag and the answer is YES. He didn't say why he is taking it for his T and H, yet somehow people assumed he was asking about it curing T...ridiculous. .No one said it cures T. I said it is beneficial IMO for people with H or those with high anxiety due to their T..
It really doesn't take more than a few clicks of a mouse to see the positive effects magnesium supplementation has on our bodies...and why we need it..
I also have personal experience!
Maybe people ought to read posts properly and respond accordingly.
Also if you haven't bothered to research, don't bother to respond. Dude just wanted to know if he chose the right form of mag and the answer is YES. He didn't say why he is taking it for his T and H, yet somehow people assumed he was asking about it curing T...ridiculous. .No one said it cures T. I said it is beneficial IMO for people with H or those with high anxiety due to their T..
It really doesn't take more than a few clicks of a mouse to see the positive effects magnesium supplementation has on our bodies...and why we need it..
I also have personal experience!
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