DIY Low-Level Laser Therapy for Tinnitus on a Budget — LLLT Under 100,-

[Marlino]

I use a sony mdr-v55 semi closed head phone. Its able to go way higher than 8kHz.
I used to have a good closed akg but I unfortunately I sold that one.

But I'm ok with the 8kHz, even though I match my T frequency above. Besides I couldn't find a convenient app for testing up to 12kHz.

If improvements are gonna happen by lllt, then they should be visible in from 0kHz to 8kHz as well.
And also every audiogram is a compromise not covering the in between frequencies.

Lets see what the future brings...

 

[PatrickG]

@ehrfried please please write a success story and post it on the forum (if you haven't done so)!! It would be greatly appreciated by many people, giving them hope and something to fight for. There are way too few success stories!

 

[Reinier]

please please write a success story and post it on the forum

I agree. But please also be honest. If there is lack of success also tell us.

 

[Marlino]

@Pumpkinate:
If seen you in the other thread building your own powerfull device.
Can you give us an update about your progress? Are you still using it?

 

[Marlino]

Yesterday I've had an 8. Impact on my life is like a headache then. Today I would rate it as a 3 again, no real impact on my life. This level fixed, I would never complain again. Half of that and I would consider myself as healed.

Anyway yesterday I used my 808nm 100mW for 3 hours. Today my ear feels really sore deep insight. This cannot be delusion! Also loud noises hurt.
This seems to be inline what other users tell for the beginning. I will continue then.

 

[Marlino]

-----------------------periodical lllt user report:--------------------------------

- weeks since lllt begin: 1

- perceived tt level since last report:
7 8 3 3 2 2
- change in tt description since last report:
Much fainter and softer for 4 days now.
- other relevant remarks:
Additional to 650nm 5mw I use a 808nm 100mw laser modul for about 1 hour each day.
After that my ear feels really sore but T level goes down. Since the effect of LLLT seems to be good so far, U will also use a 650nm 100mW laser from now on.

 

[medal]

@Marlino

Good to read about your experience first of all!
I can't seem to find the LINIENLASER 635NM 5MW 60° on Conrad:/?
And what 650nm 100mW are you planning to use?

 

[Reinier]

I use a 808nm 100mw laser modul for about 1 hour each day.
After that my ear feels really sore but T level goes down.

I assume this 100 mW is inside the ear canal?
Are you not worried that your ear feels sore? Perhaps one hour is too long?

 

[Marlino]

I can't seem to find the LINIENLASER 635NM 5MW 60° on Conrad:/?
And what 650nm 100mW are you planning to use?

I'm currently using:

808nm 100mW, focal lense removed to avoid possible eye damage. Fits more or less into the ear:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/201509501960

650nm, 150mW (sorry, I said 100mW before), I will mount that to a closed ear protection gear to guarante that no beam comes into my eyes.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/111004738915

635nm 5mW. Absolutely plug and play. fits well into the ear like a ear plug. No eye damage possible, since lense already widens up beam to a line:
https://www.conrad.de/de/lasermodul-linie-rot-5-mw-laserfuchs-lfl635-5-6-9x20-60-816300.html

 

[Marlino]

I assume this 100 mW is inside the ear canal?
Are you not worried that your ear feels sore? Perhaps one hour is too long?

I guess its more or less 100mW light power. This power is dissipated and transportet away by blood. I assume treatment warms up the ear locally but not in a harmfull way.

For me ear feeling sore is acceptable if T is lower then. Its hard to describe but the soreness doesn't really feel bad at all.

 

[Reinier]

I am alternating between 650nm 100 mW and 808 nm 400 mW for 20 minutes inside the ear canals.
So: One day 650nm and the following day 808nm.
I do not notice discomfort. I used to get vertigo using the 808 nm on higher power (700/750mW).
So, I lowered the power and changed the angle. Now I sometimes get slight vertigo for a couple of minutes after a treatment.
I have been doing the treatment for two months.
I feel it is not doing anything yet )-;

 

[Marlino]

How warm

I have been doing the treatment for two months.
I feel it is not doing anything yet )-;

Do you have ear pain or fullness feeling? Does you T vary?

I cannot say yet that me T is better due to the LLLT , since it normal that it changes so much.

 

[Bobby B]

@Marlino
Since your T was/is caused by stress /anxiety or depression as per your long intro story , it's kind of normal that LLLT will have no effect .

Why aren't you trying to solve some of your underlying stress/anxiety issues instead ? That may bring a lot more results in your case.

Even for noise damage LLLT isn't really a T cure - it can help improve H and hearing range as per Wilden claims and was proven by some of the audiogram that were posted by independent members here but that's about it .

 

[Reinier]

Do you have ear pain or fullness feeling? Does you T vary?

No ear pain. Sometimes fullness feeling. No improvement regarding tinnitus level.
Definitely more instances of this weird effect. I think it is called fleeting tinnitus. When I experience this fleeting tinnitus, for a few seconds my tinnitus is almost non existent.

But let's not forget: I can never claim that any improvement or change is because of LLLT. This can never be a double blind test.

I was hoping it would alleviate hyperacusis and distortion issues.

I still remain hopeful. Two months is probably not long enough.

 

[medal]

I'm currently using:

808nm 100mW, focal lense removed to avoid possible eye damage. Fits more or less into the ear:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/201509501960

650nm, 150mW (sorry, I said 100mW before), I will mount that to a closed ear protection gear to guarante that no beam comes into my eyes.
http://www.ebay.de/itm/111004738915

635nm 5mW. Absolutely plug and play. fits well into the ear like a ear plug. No eye damage possible, since lense already widens up beam to a line:
https://www.conrad.de/de/lasermodul-linie-rot-5-mw-laserfuchs-lfl635-5-6-9x20-60-816300.html

Thanks! Although one thing I don't get is that you mention 650nm in some posts but the device is 635nm? They also sell one that is 650, that's why im confused..

Additional to 650nm 5mw

 

[Marlino]

...some posts but the device is 635nm? They also sell one that is 650, that's why im confused..

635nm is correct. Sorry for mixing it up before. But it's chosen randomely. Just wanted to cover all the wavelengths popular in laser treatment...

 

[Marlino]

But let's not forget: I can never claim that any improvement or change is because of LLLT. This can never be a double blind test.

I agree. Also in my treatment the ear canal gets quite warm which also can have an effect besides the light.
Who cares if it helps.

 

[Marlino]

Since your T was/is caused by stress /anxiety or depression as per your long intro story , it's kind of normal that LLLT will have no effect .

This is misinterpreted, like my GP did as well when I finally saw him. First I got T, then after 1 week of no sleep I was in panic when I saw my GP. His diagnose: you are stressed. just relax and wait. No Cortison. Bullshit!!! I had a stressful time before T but I have had much worse times before in my life.
2 or 3 month later I signed up on TT and then I was depressed.

Actually I liked the stress theory in the beginning because it's better to have some reason for T than no reason at all. Which is what it is in my case: no obvious reason. I just know that I had T 10years ago on the same ear for 1 year and it went away completely. Then the T might has been due to ear infection. But if this new T is connected to the old one...who knows.

 

[ehrfried]

@PatrickG
Yes I'll do that. I just want to make some more progress before so it's a real success story and not a "what helped me so far" story.

 

[Ian Mac]

Since I'm doing the ABR myself using my own equipment and measuring techniques, and I want to develop a multispectral version I'll have to work it longer I just hope the instruction I have are good enough for me to replicate it and that I can then improve on it.



Yes, I'm sure everyone could replicate what I'm doing right now, but let's find out if it's worth it first.

Do you think it is worth it? Any improvements in hearing or tinnitus or hyperacusis?

 

[Marlino]

-----------------------periodical lllt user report:--------------------------------

- weeks since lllt begin: 2

- perceived tt level since last report:
2-4
- change in tt description since last report:
Much fainter and softer. No spikes so far
- other relevant remarks:

 

[GregCA]

-----------------------periodical lllt user report:--------------------------------

- weeks since lllt begin: 2

- perceived tt level since last report:
2-4
- change in tt description since last report:
Much fainter and softer. No spikes so far
- other relevant remarks:

I see you say "unknown" in your "cause of T", but could it be long term music exposure? The audiologist I saw Friday mentioned that people with hearing loss from music exposure have a notch around 4 kHz, so that seemed to match your audiogram.

 

[Marlino]

I see you say "unknown" in your "cause of T", but could it be long term music exposure? The audiologist I saw Friday mentioned that people with hearing loss from music exposure have a notch around 4 kHz, so that seemed to match your audiogram.

Could be so. I listened pretty much to music with in-earphones before. Never did again since.
But I don't know, many people do it and don't have T.

 

[GregCA]

Could be so. I listened pretty much to music with in-earphones before. Never did again since.
But I don't know, many people do it and don't have T.

True, but you do seem to have the audiogram to show for it...
Life's mostly a statistics game: you can be smoking 3 packs a day for decades and be fine while the neighbor never smoked and gets lung cancer, but the odds of that are small (which means it'll still happen in a world of billions of people).

 

[Leon909]

@Marlino

Thanks for reporting in such a transparent way. Makes it a lot easier for everyone else to be part of your progress.

 

[Tom Cnyc]

@Marlino is there a difference between "tt" and "T" ? I assume you mean tinnitus, correct? Not to be a pedant, but most users on this board use "TT" to mean "Tinnitus Talk", or the board itself - with the exception of one user. Can you specify what you're referring to?

 

[Marlino]

I assume you mean tinnitus, correct?

Correct

 

[gotyoubynuts]

What happened to this @Cityjohn guy? Cured?

 

[Reinier]

What happened to this @Cityjohn guy? Cured?

I would guess it is because of summer brake. Universities recently started again if I am not mistaken.

 

[Cityjohn]

What happened to this @Cityjohn guy? Cured?

I would guess it is because of summer brake. Universities recently started again if I am not mistaken.

I was on an extended holiday, I have just come home and will update shortly after I take care of all the other things that piled up exponentially.