Do You Hear Tinnitus in Sleep?

[osoba]

It happened to me to hear Tinnitus while sleeping, in a dream.
But I can not hear anything for most of my dreams. Dreams are different things, I remember them, I remember conversations in my dreams. But there are usually no squeaks there.

I also noticed that when I fall asleep, when I leave, I stop hearing Tinnitus. It's just that I'm dozing off, I stop hearing. But when I come back, I will wake up, slowly squeaks back from 0 to the usual volume level.
That would mean that the brain could cut off these sounds entirely. I am thinking that the brain then cuts off all sounds, those from the environment too.

But even if it is possible to cut off all sounds (even with those in the environment), it would be beneficial for some people. How would it go off in full or in part, sounds like medication or meditation? Mute the brain area responsible for sound?

 

[vermillion]

Mute the brain area responsible for sound?

A lobotomy maybe?

 

[Bam]

Seems like it should be so simple to turn off huh, to dampen down the auditory system. There's probably a tinnitus cure locked away in the vault at GlaxoSmithKline. But they've looked at the facts and though hold on a minute why sell one drug when we can sell about 27 different drugs to millions of these desperate a**holes for the rest of their pitiful lives. I mean do the math, how many millions of dollars worth of AD's, benzos and sleeping pills have the members of this forum alone consumed this year? Tinnitus is already a multi billion dollar winner for big pharma so in there eyes if it ain't broke, why fix it. Literally. This I'm afraid is why we can cry blue murder and kick and scream, but a drug cure ain't coming, ever. We're just too fat a cow to stop milking.

 

[osoba]

A lobotomy maybe?

Hmm. Recently, I wrote back to someone who wanted to "live blissfully" like these creatures: https://www.wykop.pl/cdn/c3201142/comment_sv3btFSpFxvC3C6DakToFItonyqgfOW0.jpg

 

[osoba]

Maybe... But independent research is also ongoing.

 

[Bam]

Maybe... But independent research is also ongoing.

Independent research with basically zero in funding.

Trust me if every tinnitus sufferer stopped with all the benzo's and AD's that don't actually treat tinnitus, but just monkey around with emotions, within a year we would magically have the cure pill. Because big pharma would go hold on those tinnitus f***ers have stopped lining our pockets buying the crap that dances around the problem. We better open the vault and give them what they actually want, if we want to get sales up again.

If I'm wrong it would at the very least inspire them to plough more in research if we weren't already such amazing customers. We're like some mug who walks in to a shop for a pair of nice running shoes and instead ends up paying twice as much for a few painkillers and some advice on learning to to cope with the pain of running around in bare feet.

 

[John_415]

It happened to me to hear Tinnitus while sleeping, in a dream.
But I can not hear anything for most of my dreams. Dreams are different things, I remember them, I remember conversations in my dreams. But there are usually no squeaks there.

I also noticed that when I fall asleep, when I leave, I stop hearing Tinnitus. It's just that I'm dozing off, I stop hearing. But when I come back, I will wake up, slowly squeaks back from 0 to the usual volume level.
That would mean that the brain could cut off these sounds entirely. I am thinking that the brain then cuts off all sounds, those from the environment too.

But even if it is possible to cut off all sounds (even with those in the environment), it would be beneficial for some people. How would it go off in full or in part, sounds like medication or meditation? Mute the brain area responsible for sound?

That happend to me as well (when my T was moderate insead of light as it is right now), I would sleep and not hear anything, then wake up get my bearings, think: is T gonne today? Go listen to hear if its there and sure as anything it would show up. I think the mind focuses on what you think about and if your not thinking about it, its like its not there for a bit.
On a bit of a side note, this also happens when your really enjoying yourself doing something, all things fall away except that which you focus on and its like T is not there, but once you stop and think: I don't hear it, is it gonne? It shows up again. Then again I only have experience with lighter T so maybe higher up it gets worse.

 

[John_415]

Independent research with basically zero in funding.

Trust me if every tinnitus sufferer stopped with all the benzo's and AD's that don't actually treat tinnitus, but just monkey around with emotions, within a year we would magically have the cure pill. Because big pharma would go hold on those tinnitus f***ers have stopped lining our pockets buying the crap that dances around the problem. We better open the vault and give them what they actually want, if we want to get sales up again.

If I'm wrong it would at the very least inspire them to plough more in research if we weren't already such amazing customers. We're like some mug who walks in to a shop for a pair of nice running shoes and instead ends up paying twice as much for a few painkillers and some advice on learning to to cope with the pain of running around in bare feet.

Indeed, they earn to much off of there drugs, I would rather donate to Tinnitus charity.

 

[Samir]

I also noticed that when I fall asleep, when I leave, I stop hearing Tinnitus. It's just that I'm dozing off, I stop hearing. But when I come back, I will wake up, slowly squeaks back from 0 to the usual volume level.

I have written about these experiences myself. It's not unusual.

We're just too fat a cow to stop milking.

Thankfully, I am not a cow.

 

[Bam]

Indeed, they earn to much off of there drugs, I would rather donate to Tinnitus charity.

I donate to the Kresge hearing institute at the university of Michigan. We all should. They are the closest to a 'cure' device. That's our best bet, a device, cos for the reasons I stated a pill ain't coming. Pharma loves selling us crap that doesn't fix it and doctors adore us because we gobble it up and never expect to be cured. We're the perfect patients, low expectations, high demand, written off as mental if we complain.

 

[Samir]

I would sleep and not hear anything, then wake up get my bearings, think: is T gonne today? Go listen to hear if its there and sure as anything it would show up. I think the mind focuses on what you think about and if your not thinking about it, its like its not there for a bit.

I don't think it helps to stop thinking about it. I think this is false assumption. That's not my experience at all. When this was happening to me, I would become increasingly conscious as I was waking up and in this drowsy state I would not hear the tinnitus at all. The first time it happened I could hardly believe it, and I may have started analyzing myself and listening for it. But when it happened the second, the third and the fourth time I was not as surprised about it and didn't think anything of it. I knew it would steadily crawl back on me, and it did, every time. Without me ever listening for it.

This is why I say that it has a mind of its own. I used to think this way... I would fall into the trap of thinking that perhaps the people who say that if you are thinking about your tinnitus makes it worse are right. I no longer fall for that, because my experience tells me that the severity or loudness of tinnitus has nothing to do with my attention to it. It has to do with brain activity. That's not to say that my thoughts are not the result of brain activity, but I don't think that thought processes affect tinnitus. There may be some interactions. But it's as if cognition and tinnitus are running on two separate circuits.

The very fact that we can perceive these phantom sounds we call tinnitus tells us that there are indeed interactions. Our brains are not dumb lumps of tissue and our thoughts are not isolated to specific region of the brain with no interaction with other parts of the brain. That would mean that we are not able to think and walk at the same time for example. You know that's not true.

Of course there will be interactions. But last time I checked I was not able to control tinnitus with my thoughts. I was not able to make it better or make it worse. It's just there... and I can't do much about it. If it's going to be better on some days it's going to get there on its own, I still haven't found any kind of pattern that allows me to predict what will make it better or what will make it worse.

It seems as if sleep affects it more than anything else. When I get good night's sleep it usually gets better in the morning, but not always it seems. It's unpredictable to say the least.

The thing about the brain is that there all these interactions and activities are so complex, we hardly understand any of it. In a human subject we can hardly see into the brain. Our best MRI machines can only give us crude approximations of what is actually going on inside the brain. We need way better instruments with much better spatial and temporal resolution if we want to study, understand and diagnose complex brain disorders in live subjects, human or otherwise.

 

[Seawater7]

You have two types of sleep deep dreamless sleep and rem cycle dream sleep. You can hear tinnitus or the mind can react to it still in dream sleep but not in deep sleep.

In deep sleep you're not aware of anything