Dr. Charlie — ENT Specialist With Tinnitus

I have the luxury of not caring if it's there or not.

An interesting perspective. Reminds me of the famous scene in Lawrence of Arabia, where Lawrence lets a match burn down in his fingers without flinching. One of his men tries to do the same thing and burns himself and lets out a yelp of pain exclaiming "it hurts!". Upon being asked "what's the trick sir" Lawrence replies: "The trick William Potter is in not minding that it hurts"

Is it the same with tinnitus? If I don't mind it being there is it there for all extents and purposes?

Consider this: you're most likely reading this sat down, let me call attention to the sensation on the bottom of your forearms, are they resting on something hard or something soft? Are they warm or cold? Now that I have called attention to them you can answer. But...that sensation was always there, you had to pay attention to it to answer the question.

Do we have forums for people with constant forearm stimulation constantly opining : "This forearm sensation is always there all day; it's driving me crazy" of course not. The reason why is there is no emotional salience to how your forearm is feeling; it's no big deal. Your limbic system is scanning your sensory inputs from sensory receptors in your arm but the signals reaching are of no concern, it's no big deal.

However...suppose I were to throw a black widow spider in Dr Charlies tuxedo and off it scurried inside. Would a constant sensation in his sleeve bother him? Most certainly, his brain would find any sensory input from inside his jacket as annoying. The limbic system would have gone on alert and found anything different as a threat and constantly send signals to his Dorsal Anterior Cingulate Cortex* telling him to find it distressing.

[* The dACC is a fascinating part of the brain, one of it's purposes is to tell you to find pain distressing, patients with lesions to it or after operations called "Cingulotomies" can experience terrific chronic pain prior to the operation but afterwards still feel the pain but will now say it doesn't bother them at all, maybe habituation is the dACC realising that all this neural traffic from the limbic system is serving no purpose and moving on to more important matters?]

So....what's the "spider in the tuxedo" for tinnitus? My own personal view is it's the caring about the loss of silence.
Most losses in the body such as hearing, sight, etc come with age; they're gradual and happen so slowly they don't trigger any anxiety, tinnitus as a rule appears in a short period of time and knocks the brain's cognitive homeostasis of kilter. Your limbic system is obliged to forward the traffic to the dACC. Once that happens you begin to focus on it and another part of the brain becomes annoyed by the fact that it's there but also that the silence is gone forever.

It's not as if prior to T we used to sit in quiet rooms all day savouring it (although that sounds great now!)

As humans we feel loss worse in a relative sense, being sufferers of T ourselves we look at people without it and feel envy, it makes us care more about having it ourselves.

Here's a thought experiment for you: Suppose the earths core started vibrating at frequency. Scientists investigated and found out it was a natural event and totally harmless. However...it gave everyone on the planet tinnitus. From the the president of the USA to an innuit fisherman in Alaska...see those people on the bus? They all have it, the crowd at a football match on TV yup all of them too. Would you feel better about yours now that "we're all in it together". Most likely yes, in fact we might feel a bit privileged and superior because we've "been there done that, you'll get used to it buddy" I suspect we would put tinnitus to bed and turn the light out, we would stop caring. But hold on! Has out T got better? Is it getting quieter? Ah....actually no it hasn't, we're just thinking about it differently. It's a hell of a difference though.

"The trick dear reader is in not minding that you have tinnitus...it's not as if we have had our arm chopped off"
 
Hello @Dr. Charlie

Thank you very much for helping out with this board! We all appreciate any help or guidance that you're able to give!

I was curious on what your thoughts were regarding people who have hyperacusis (Since you have it yourself) and if they are more susceptible to permeant increases in their Tinnitus if they're exposed to sounds that their ears are sensitive to (I have moderate T and mild H in both ears. The sounds that I am sensitive to are usually high frequencies like beeps from electronics and fishes clanking)

An example of this happened to me today:

I recently had a moment today where I was crossing over to the other side of the street today and was on the way to entering a park by my house to go for a walk. All of a sudden one of those street cleaning trucks (that cleans the side of the street) zooms towards me, pulls over about half a block in front of me, and starts cleaning with its loud vacuum going!

I guess I should have turn the other way and ran, but I would have had to run back to the 4- way stop, so the truck would have probably caught up to me.

Anyways, I moved as far away as I could away from the street cleaning truck (about 15 feet, since a fence was right next to me), plugged both my ears using my fingers pressing on the tragus to make a good seal, and just tried to speed walk past it. I walked about half a block away and released. I would imagine that doing that would give me enough protection, it helped block out a lot of the sound from the truck from what I could tell.

Anyways, when I got home, my T was quite a bit louder. I know my attention has now been brought to it, and I am just trying to stay busy and stay calm which I am doing a pretty good job at. I know sometimes with my T, it usually settles down by morning (usually due to tirdness, food or the hustle and bustle from the day), so I am hoping that it does the same in this case.

I am about to be evaluated by a trained audiologist in about a week (after 5 months of waiting) and have spent a lot of that time inside my parents home, so I hope I will finally be able to know where my H stands and will hopefully be able to have a loudness discomfort test done.

I am trying to get out in the world as much as I can. But I am just nervous when I have moments like that, and am still trying to figure out when to use ear plugs and when to not. As well as if things like car horns, dishes clanking etc... is going to crank that dial a little bit louder on my T.

Any thoughts or suggestions on this matter would greatly be appreciated!

Thank you
 
Hi Dr. Charlie. Welcome and Happy thanksgiving!! I'm Canadian - our thanksgiving is celebrated in October because winter arrives earlier here. In fact it is snowing as I write this. Just a quick note. My tinnitus and Hyperacussis started three and a half years ago. Mine has a pattern that is frustrating. The cycle is this: Day 1 it is loud, day 2 it drops to medium, day 3 it is much lower but then I get dizzy. By dinner time my left ear starts ringing and by midnight I awaken to very loud, distressing T. This cycle starts all over again. I have no anwers, have you ever had anyone present with this same situation?
 
I totally sympathize with your discomfort, Km. We have trash collection trucks where I live with extremely loud and offensive exhausts. My personal solution is to 1) Keep some pleasant mid-volume sound around me as much as possible - avoid total silence. 2) Keep my ear plugs positioned loosely in my ear canals in any situation where I might be exposed to loud noises (such as going out on a public street, to a restaurant, shopping, etc.) 3) When a situation arises where I can reasonably anticipate or actually encounter a bothersome sound, I simply push my earplugs deeper into my ear canals for a more complete blockage of the ear canal. As soon as the threat abates, I pull them out a bit and permit normal sounds to enter. This puts me in control of how much sound enters my ear canals, and at what volume. When I have control, I have no fear. No fear = my brain automatically ignores my tinnitus, and this = habituation. I wear clear ear plugs, so they are not quite as noticeable to others as the bright orange or yellow ones I used to wear. People notice, a few ask about them, so I explain briefly that I have very sensitive ears. I occasionally ask someone to please not speak so loudly for this same reason. Again, I maintain control, so I am free to go wherever I like whenever I like.

Hope this helps. Bless you.
 
Rooster, from your description, you may well have endolymphatic hydrops (EH.) Have you read my posts about food sensitivities and EH? Do you keep an all inclusive food journal? If not, begin one immediately to search for a pattern of food or drink ingestion in relation to the cycle of T and H that you describe. You may identify at least one common denominator over a period of several weeks or months.

Good luck and bless you.

Dr C
 
I totally sympathize with your discomfort, Km. We have trash collection trucks where I live with extremely loud and offensive exhausts. My personal solution is to 1) Keep some pleasant mid-volume sound around me as much as possible - avoid total silence. 2) Keep my ear plugs positioned loosely in my ear canals in any situation where I might be exposed to loud noises (such as going out on a public street, to a restaurant, shopping, etc.)

Hope this helps. Bless you.

Thank you very much for the recommendation @Dr. Charlie . I will give that a go next time I'm out and about!

I just had two other quick questions if you would maybe be able to shead a little insight on.....

1.) Have you ever heard of yourself, or anyone that you've helped regarding Hyperacusis making you more susceptible to permanent increases in your Tinnitus due to noises that your sensitive to? (or if you had any thoughts not the matter)

2.) I hope this isn't to personal, but did you yourself ever try TRT for your Hyperacusis and Tinnitus.

I am looking to start it very soon and hope that it will give me some help in reducing or eliminating my hyperacusis and helping me handle the spike in my T that I suffered over the summer.

Thank you very much, and once again, it is nice to have you as a part of this board.

Cheers,

Kris
 
Kris,
1. I have not had this experience. Hyperacusis does not make our ears more vulnerable to being injured by loud sounds. It makes loud sounds seem louder than they really are. thus, hyperacusis is a fear of loud sounds.
2. I did not try TRT. While its results are well documented, TRT is more expensive than the method I use, and requires 12 to 18 months which is far too long (for me) to achieve habituation. I feel that TRT and ART are both reliable methods to achieve similar end results. Regardless of which method one applies, perfusing our environment with pleasing sounds is essential to recovery.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

:)
 
Hyperacusis does not make our ears more vulnerable to being injured by loud sounds. It makes loud sounds seem louder than they really are. thus, hyperacusis is a fear of loud sounds.
I agree that hyperacusis does not make our ears more vulnerable to injury from loud sound, but I thought hyperacusis was discomfort due to loud sounds. Phonophobia is a fear of loud sounds. Perhaps Dr. Smithdeal understands it differently. I'll defer to him.

stephen nagler
 
K: Re my statements above about TRT:

Tinnitus Retraining Therapy - TRT - A Review

Tinnitus Retraining Therapy (TRT) relieves suffering from tinnitus in approximately 85% of trainees, but it requires 12 to 18 months to become effective. Developed in the 1980s by Dr. Pawel Jastreboff at the University of Maryland, this therapy works through a process called habituation. TRT consists of two closely integrated and equally essential parts:

A) The use of sound therapy, and

B) Counseling by a knowledgeable professional.

To understand how TRT works, you first need to understand that tinnitus involves not just the ears, but multiple structures within the ears and brain.

Sound is collected by the external and middle ear as vibration, converted to electrochemical energy in the cochlea, and transmitted as nerve impulses along the acoustic nerve to specialized brain cells called auditory centers in the temporal lobes of the brain. Brain cells then interpret these nerve impulses as sound. It's these interpretations that determine how you hear the sound. Even more significant, these and other centers in your brain determine the relative importance of that sound.

Think about this for a moment. Your conscious mind can pay attention to only a few hundred bits of information (stimuli) at any given instant. There are thousands of bits of information constantly bombarding you, some deemed by your mind to be more important than others. To avoid sensory overload, your conscious mind chooses to ignore stimuli not deemed threatening, stimulating, challenging, exciting, rewarding, essential to your survival or well being, etc. That is, your brain ignores things it considers unimportant, so you remain unaware of them until something changes to make them become important. Some of these bits consist of auditory (hearing) stimuli. Others are kinesthetic (touch,) olfactory (smell,) gustatory (taste,) and visual (sight.) The relative importance of each stimulus changes frequently, so the degree of attention you grant them also changes.

Any new stimulus will always be noticed and evaluated by our brains as to whether it presents a threat or warns of danger. Your mind learns to ignore any recurring stimulus that it considers unimportant. This is called habituation. One of the goals of TRT is to teach your brain to consider any remaining tinnitus so unimportant that you will automatically ignore it unless and until you choose to hear it. Pretty neat choice, huh?

A) Sound therapy in TRT consists of presenting a second or new intruding sound (NIS) to your ears, with that sound being far less intense than the tinnitus in your head. The NIS typically consists of a constant low level of white or pink noise, a balanced broad spectrum perceived as a gentle hissing. When a NIS is first presented, you notice it because it's new, and the limbic system in your brain needs to determine if it's threatening or warning of danger. Because this NIS is constant, innocuous, and fairly faint compared to other environmental sounds, your limbic system quickly determines that it's not important, so it pushes it into the background. Your conscious mind then switches focus and actively listens for other sounds. In so doing, you ignore the NIS as though it doesn't exist. This process is slow, but while training your mind to ignore this artificially induced, unimportant NIS, your mind also learns to ignore other unimportant sounds inside your head-your tinnitus. A word of advice: Tinnitus sufferers must avoid silence at all times. Beginning right now, keep some sound around you at all times-something you enjoy such as music, a waterfall, etc. Not loud, just at a "background" volume you find pleasant.

B) Professional counseling is an essential component of TRT. Studies have shown that sound therapy alone results in far less improvement for tinnitus sufferers than the combination of sound therapy and professional counseling. The primary aim of professional counseling is to remove negative emotions associated with tinnitus, such as anxiety, stress, and fear. Understanding the roles of the auditory system and brain plays an important part in removing fear surrounding tinnitus. 75% of all people with tinnitus automatically habituate the sound and generally ignore it. 85% of those who initially suffer show significant improvement following 12 to 18 months of TRT.

Along with anti-anxiety medications, TRT has become accepted by physicians in mainstream medicine as the treatment of choice for patients suffering anxiety from tinnitus. My issues with this therapy are the cost involved and the length of time required for relief.

Cost: TRT trainers typically recommend that a professional sound-generating device similar to a hearing aid be worn 24/7. These devices are quite expensive, often costing upwards of $2000. My personal experience is that patients can enrich their own environments with pleasing sound just as effectively and for far less money. This can be accomplished by playing soft music, white noise, or nature sounds on a CD, through a computer, via special CD-player pillows at night, or through sound generating devices from electronic or specialty stores such as Radio Shack or Brookstone.

Time: Patients typically require 12 to 18 months of TRT before obtaining maximum relief. Exceptions certainly exist, but it seems likely that the majority would spontaneously habituate the noise within this length of time without costly therapy. Any stimulus repeated day and night for this long will surely be determined to be non-threatening. As soon as this occurs, the conscious mind literally becomes bored with the noise and automatically begins to ignore it.

All emotions, including anger, fear, frustration, and anxiety reside in the subconscious mind. Counseling - such as cognitive-behavioral therapy - involves direct communication between counselor and patient using words and diagrams - an activity of the conscious mind. Attempting to correct a subconscious problem with a conscious solution is like trying to paint a wall with a hammer. Picture this. It can be done, but is terribly inefficient because you are using a less-than-ideal tool for the job.

Hypnotherapy and relaxation techniques can relieve some of the anxiety associated with tinnitus, but require a therapist familiar with the causes of tinnitus itself. Very few of these exist. Results from general hypnosis alone are disappointing.

Energy psychology methods, such as EFT and Anxiety Relief Techniques® (ART) directly unhook the subconscious fear response from any stimulus or thought held in the conscious mind. In so doing, anger, fear, frustration, and anxiety associated with tinnitus can be eliminated within hours, rather than weeks or months. These methods utilize the body's meridian system, and are similar to acupuncture only in this regard. Acupuncture alone is not generally effective for relieving fear and anxiety from tinnitus. EFT and ART are highly effective.

Dr Charlie
 

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A valid point of semantics, Dr Nagler. In my work, I find that discomfort is a sensation accompanied by fear. Without the fear, would it still be uncomfortable?

Would hyperacusis still be uncomfortable without fear? Absolutely. To be sure, fear can be a consequence of severe hyperacusis, but there are many hyperacusics who leave loud rooms because of discomfort, not because of fear.

Regarding semantics. While I respect your opinion to the contrary, I personally do not consider accurate definitions to be a semantic issue. The waters of tinnitus and hyperacusis are muddy enough as it is!

Enjoy your Thanksgiving. We're having twelve for dinner in a few hours - so it's time for me to help my wife with the final preparations.

stephen nagler
 
Hi Dr. Charlie,

Sorry to bother you for your opinion, but I read your word of advice and I would have a question regarding silence..

I did a Vipassana course one year and a half before I had T.. It involved "10 days/12 hours a day" of silent meditation retreat with a very rigid schedule and complete silence.. It was an incredibly self-relieving and profound experience for me..

Do you think then it could be harmful to put myself through such silent experience with T ringing constantly without masking in my head, or maybe, after a first discomfort and initial adjustment, I could benefit from it in terms of acceptance of it and for managing anxiety T-related…

I have been wanting to try to do it again but a bit reluctant about how my mind could react.. and myself with it..

I would appreciate yours or anybody's opinion on it.

Thank you all in advance...
 
@Lorenzo74

I dont know the answer to your question. Some say that silence is fine and some say that silence is a no no. Who knows who is right. I have sat in silence and it does not seem to make any difference as I have sat with background sounds as well.
I have slept with background noise and without background noise. Doesnt seem to make any difference.
 
Enjoy your Thanksgiving. We're having twelve for dinner in a few hours - so it's time for me to help my wife with the final preparations.
I have been assisting my wife this morning as well. May you and your family and guests have a blessed Thanksgiving, Dr Nagler. As I stated earlier, I have great respect for you and for your work in the field of tinnitus. By sharing our respective experiences, let's hope we can help relieve the suffering of victims around the world who so desperately need help. Perhaps we can can have a private conversation soon toward this end.

Bless you,

Dr Charlie
 
Lorenzo, I'm a great believer in trying things that make sense - and do not appear to be harmful in any way. Whet works subjectively for you may not work for me. Having said this, my experience is that the hearing mechanism becomes more sensitive when in total silence. It's as though the "ears squint" in an attempt to search out sounds. For most individuals, silence makes the internal noise of tinnitus more noticeable. Reactive tinnitus is another story altogether.

Asian cultures have been silently advocating meditation for centuries. They must be doing something right.
 
Thank you Dr. Charlie,

I think as well it could make it more sensitive, and I would not want that to happen to my T… I guess I just entertained the dream that facing silence and myself for that long maybe would eventually help me to accept it fully, or even make it go away, as it is a very powerful personal experience… The power of the mind is endless I guess…

Sorry for straying away from the main subject, and thank you again for being this helpful.. Really interesting reading your posts..

Bless to all...
 
Cost: TRT trainers typically recommend that a professional sound-generating device similar to a hearing aid be worn 24/7. These devices are quite expensive, often costing upwards of $2000. My personal experience is that patients can enrich their own environments with pleasing sound just as effectively and for far less money. This can be accomplished by playing soft music, white noise, or nature sounds on a CD, through a computer, via special CD-player pillows at night, or through sound generating devices from electronic or specialty stores such as Radio Shack or Brookstone.
Time: Patients typically require 12 to 18 months of TRT before obtaining maximum relief. Exceptions certainly exist, but it seems likely that the majority would spontaneously habituate the noise within this length of time without costly therapy. Any stimulus repeated day and night for this long will surely be determined to be non-threatening. As soon as this occurs, the conscious mind literally becomes bored with the noise and automatically begins to ignore it.

Thank you!
 
Tinnitus Retraining Therapy (TRT) relieves suffering from tinnitus in approximately 85% of trainees, but it requires 12 to 18 months to become effective.

Improvement in TRT is seen as early as three months. Many patients are done in six months. TRT can take up to 12-18 months to be maximally effective.

Sound therapy in TRT consists of presenting a second or new intruding sound (NIS) to your ears, with that sound being far less intense than the tinnitus in your head. The NIS typically consists of a constant low level of white or pink noise, a balanced broad spectrum perceived as a gentle hissing.

I have never heard of the term "new intruding sound" or "NIS." Indeed, the sound therapy in TRT is designed specifically so that it does not intrude.

85% of those who initially suffer show significant improvement following 12 to 18 months of TRT.

85% of those who initially suffer show significant improvement following up to 12 to 18 months of TRT. And that would include those who have been suffering for 20 years or more before starting TRT.

Cost: TRT trainers typically recommend that a professional sound-generating device similar to a hearing aid be worn 24/7.

In many cases, wearable devices are not required at all in TRT. When they are, they are never worn 24/7. The rule is that they should be worn as much as possible while awake, but at least for eight hours a day. They are not worn at night. And when they are worn during the day, most of the time the wearer is totally unaware of them.

These devices are quite expensive, often costing upwards of $2000.

That's because audiologists often fold the cost of the counseling into the cost of the devices.

TRT should not be undertaken lightly. It requires a considerable amount of due diligence to find a knowledgeable and experienced clinician who will be a good fit for you. And, yes, TRT is not inexpensive. Today TRT can run $3000 or more for the entire program (including evaluation, devices where needed, counseling, and follow-up.) Back when I did TRT in 1994-5, it cost me $5500, which in today's dollars is more than $8500. But that said, other than my wedding band, TRT was the very best investment of my entire life.

Your mileage may vary.

Dr. Stephen Nagler
 
I'm unhappy reading this last exchange, so much so that I no longer find this helpful. I'm leaving this discussion, but first I'd like to say a BIG thank you to Dr Charlie, you gave me hope, when previously I had none. That's all we often need. Don't shoot the good guy down in flames Dr Nagler.
 
I'm unhappy reading this last exchange, so much so that I no longer find this helpful. I'm leaving this discussion, but first I'd like to say a BIG thank you to Dr Charlie, you gave me hope, when previously I had none. That's all we often need. Don't shoot the good guy down in flames Dr Nagler.

I am incredibly pleased to see a Board-Certified ENT on this board. @Dr. Charlie represents a tremendous resource. And he certainly knows tons more about ENT than I do.

But in this one particular limited case @Dr. Charlie is making some incorrect statements regarding a subject that I happen to know more about than he does. So I corrected them. If you are unhappy about that ... if you find it unhelpful to have accurate information on this board ... then why have information at all!

I would expect @Dr. Charlie to appreciate the corrections; I certainly do when folks correct me.

Dr. Stephen Nagler
 
DR. Charlie .
I've had T 3 months now .I have searched for every cure over the net talking to others that have it but from what I've learned there is no cure but to realize there is nothing to cure . My ENT Dr. Mckinnon at She clinic in Memphis Tn said my brain will eventually learn to habituate to it .My question is does habituation happen anyway over time so we are just trying to get through the period of time till then.My problem is sleep.I took ambien and Lunesta nothing worked.Had a panic attack the ER gave me xanax it worked and I slept 7 hrs straight.I've got a couple 1mg left what is your view on using these kinda meds to sleep and or antidepressants like Amytriptyline.

Michael
 
I am late here to welcome Dr. Charlie. Thank you for sharing your knowledge & experiences as a doctor to help out others for free counselling. I also admire Dr. Nagler greatly for his long dedication to helping others freely. You guys are the best out there in the medical profession who have so much compassion for others' suffering and are willing to help out selflessly in your retirement years.

So nice to have an ENT on TT. I wish he was my ENT when I was first hit by high pitch T and later hyperacusis. My ENT's concluding statement in my first visit was 'You have to live with it. The only way I can stop your ringing is to shoot you!'. Can you imagine my distress level upon hearing that? It was like the death sentence had just been announced, when I was supposed to get some hope or relief by seeing an ENT. I hope the ENTs of the future will get some better training to counsel their patients who have intrusive tinnitus.

I have a question myself due to my recent experience of panic attacks. I have been a sufferer of anxiety & panic disorders for decades prior to T & H. Since my T experience, I have learned some good techniques from CBT such as mindfulness and exposure, acceptance of the fear instead of avoiding it. These techniques have helped me stabilized from the recent panic attacks. I even booked a mini cruise of the Bahamas with my wife a week after the flaring up of panic attacks. So I was eating and dancing, enjoying the cruise with my sweet wife while the panic and anxiety symptoms are still strong. The heck with them. Challenging one's distorted thoughts or so called cognitive distortions, and staying positive is so important to reduce the fear.

But I guess we are all human. When the discomfort level is high whether it comes from panic/anxiety symptoms or from really loud T which is new, the body's natural tendency is to consider these harsh sensations as threats and so the sufferings ensue due to the fear of the uncertainty and discomfort. It seems to me during the initial impact of these events (panic attacks or tinnitus erupting), there is nothing much any techniques can stop the body from reacting negatively. During my initial T & H days, I suffered relentless anxiety & panic attacks triggered by T&H on auto mode. Meds such as Ativan & Prozac plus sleeping pills were the only effective tools to stop some panic & anxiety symptoms.

Are these techniques such as EFT, ART you are talking about able to relieve these fearful reactions within the short time of the initial attacks, or they are generally good as a follow-up treatment after the body calms down more from the horrible symptoms? Even with my prior knowledge of CBT principles, it is still not easy at the initial attack to stop the fear and anxiety symptoms. Acceptance and welcoming the harsh symptoms can only go so far due to the strong sensations. If there are faster effective techniques out there to bring down the severity of the panic and anxiety symptoms, it is surely interesting to learn about.
 
@Dr. Charlie

I have the same question as above @uncle vikin re sleep. I have been given sleeping pills but they dont give me more than the 4 hours I can get with no meds at all. If I take a half I can get 2 hours. So all I can do is when I wake up I take half a xanax (0.25mg whole pill = .12.5mg) to get another couple of hours sleep - in fact sometimes with a xanax I can get up to another 3.5 hours sleep.
What do you think about the problem with lack of sleep and not being able to get sufficient sleep?
So my problem is similar or same as @uncle vikin above... (Michael hope you dont mind me jumping on your post as well?)
I can fall asleep but I cannot stay asleep longer than 4 or 4.5 hours and it has been like that for months.
Xanax is highly addictive in a short space of time so I am loathe to use it except on an absolute as and when urgent basis. Therefore I am surviving on minimum sleep which I am sure is not good for me or my T. And all I want is for the T to literally die down....
Have approached the doc but absolutely useless - wont give me anything except xanax or same sleeping pill (both of which have contra effects of T). She the doc assured me that the sleeping pils would give me 7 hours of sleep at night but no......only 4 hours maximum.......and no matter what I say to her she insists that I must take these pills in order to get 7 hours sleep.....she said that she uses these pills to sleep when she had problems sleeping.
As for having an ENT specialist.....last one I saw diagnosed 'brain fatigue' whatever that is?
Any ideas how to conquer this sleep problem - prior to T i slept like a baby so about 7 or 8 hours a night...

Final question - please can you explain what is the difference between EFT and ART and how do they achieve habituation and therefore relief so much more quickly than TRT? What is it about the method of ART or EFT that is more efficient time wise than TRT?

thanks for your help Dr. Charlie .......
 
Wow! I've been engaged with family and friends for Thanksgiving, so am tardy in replying to posts.
First, let me assure Slipware that both Dr Nagler and I are equally devoted to helping relieve the suffering of anyone with tinnitus and hyperacusis. We may have slightly different views about which particular method is preferred in any particular situation, but our objective will always the same. I feel confident that I can speak for both of us when I say we will iron out any differences in private, and continue to make ourselves available to members of the community. Also, our recommendations may change over time, based on new studies, developing technology, and up-to-date information. It is our responsibility and privilege as medical professionals to investigate new approaches, select those that appear 1) safe and 2) beneficial, and then recommend them to others.

Bless you,

Dr Charlie
 
AM and UV, I am not a fan of taking anti-depressants, sleep medications, or tranquilizers, and would never recommend doing so without close monitoring by a mental-health professional. For anyone taking any of these drugs, please be very careful, and read about the side effect and withdrawal issues.

Re Xanax, I recommend the article at the following link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benzodiazepine_withdrawal_syndrome

Re SSRI's these medications can be extremely dangerous. Please read the following article:

http://www.breggin.com/31-49.pdf

Bless you,

Dr Charlie
 

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