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Earplugs Making Hyperacusis Worse?

JuneStar

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Sep 10, 2018
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8/18
Cause of Tinnitus
noise induced
After my initial acoustic trauma and tinnitus, I didn't wear earplugs because I didn't have hyperacusis (maybe a little) but it was getting better.

Then I started wearing earplugs more because I wanted to protect my ears and now my hyperacusis is worse and I'm having more sound distortion.

Am I overprotecting my ears?

Should I wear earplugs less? I wear them a lot because I'm afraid of my kids making a sudden shriek or just sudden loud noises in general.
 
I am in a similar situation as well. Didn't have problems with sound sensitivity until I started wearing earplugs in certain situations.

Some people talk about how over protecting our ears makes them more sensitive and increases sound sensitivity. Many people on here have talked about how their sound sensitivity got better AFTER they stopped over protecting.

I have no science to back any of this up so take it with a grain of salt. I am sure some people on here would disagree with the above statement, but everyone situation is different.
 
Honestly, it's better to protect your ears after trauma so that they have a chance to heal. After a month or two or so, I would ween yourself off of the earplugs and just wear them when you need because hyperacusis can always get better but hearing loss is probably permanent.
 
I'm going to resurrect this thread because I think this is happening to me. I've been protecting more and more the last few weeks or so, and sounds keep bothering more and more. I'm basically protecting everywhere but in my house now, and still it seems that my hyperacusis (fear with a bit of pain, I think) is getting a little bit worse and worse as time goes on.

I tried to use my earplugs (20 dB with filters) less, but then I had a (thankfully temporary) spike and I backslid.

Any and all advice is appreciated. Hyperacusis is really kicking my butt. It's like I can't tune out sounds anymore.
 
I'm going to resurrect this thread because I think this is happening to me. I've been protecting more and more the last few weeks or so, and sounds keep bothering more and more. I'm basically protecting everywhere but in my house now, and still it seems that my hyperacusis (fear with a bit of pain, I think) is getting a little bit worse and worse as time goes on.

I tried to use my earplugs (20 dB with filters) less, but then I had a (thankfully temporary) spike and I backslid.

Any and all advice is appreciated. Hyperacusis is really kicking my butt. It's like I can't tune out sounds anymore.
For me hyperacusis never increased when using hearing protection. My hearing did worsen and I lost hearing due to one-off episodes of loud noise exposure, actually even wearing hearing protection (and sometimes double hearing protection).

So based on personal experience I would say it is best to protect your ears even if there is not loud noise but the possibility of being exposed to loud noise exists... an example is a quiet neighbourhood where loud motorbikes go past often. The street is quiet but there is the possibility of it going from quiet to really loud in a second, so use hearing protection.
 
For me hyperacusis never increased when using hearing protection. My hearing did worsen and I lost hearing due to one-off episodes of loud noise exposure, actually even wearing hearing protection (and sometimes double hearing protection).

So based on personal experience I would say it is best to protect your ears even if there is not loud noise but the possibility of being exposed to loud noise exists... an example is a quiet neighbourhood where loud motorbikes go past often. The street is quiet but there is the possibility of it going from quiet to really loud in a second, so use hearing protection.
See, that's the problem: I'm already doing that. But I'm not improving at all, unless it's at a snail's pace. It feels like I'm getting worse. Sometimes it's hard to tolerate my family.
 
See, that's the problem: I'm already doing that. But I'm not improving at all, unless it's at a snail's pace. It feels like I'm getting worse. Sometimes it's hard to tolerate my family.
I was at that point too. Voices of close relatives would bother me, or be perceived as very loud. Over time it got better.
 
I will bump this thread. My hyperacusis is getting worse and I don't know why. I use ear protection more. My sleep is off, I fall asleep anywhere between midnight and 4 am. Often I wake up at 8 am or so, and may sleep until 11 am or noon. When I wake up in the morning, I put on earmuffs to sleep. I've been doing that for a while, maybe 2 months already.

I wear hearing protection when in car, recently foam earplugs rather than musician's earplugs like before. Otherwise not much, not when walking in the woods outside, though the recent spike in hyperacusis has made some birds annoying.

My tinnitus is screaming when I wake up. It seemed even worse when I tried to use sound enrichment last night (been sleeping in silence until now).

I do not know what to do.
 
I do not know what to do.
I have been reading some of your recent posts @gameover and understand the difficulties that you are going through. Overusing hearing protection runs the risk of making tinnitus and hyperacusis worse and is not the way to habituate to noise-induced tinnitus. In most cases habituation can be achieved but it takes time and requires a person to follow a plan; whether they are doing this themselves or under the care of an audiologist that specialises in tinnitus and hyperacusis management.

Please go to my started threads and read the following posts: New to Tinnitus, What to Do?, The Habituation Process, How to Habituate to Tinnitus, Hyperacusis, As I See It. Start using low-level sound enrichment at night using a sound machine by the bedside. If you are feeling stressed, I advise that you talk to your family doctor.

Michael
 
I have started to need / use sound enrichment at night. I position the device on the floor beside my bed so I don't feel like it's directly at my ear level. The volume is low enough to not make me focus too much on it and I start it as soon as I go into my room (so roughly 20 minutes to 30 minutes before closing my eyes to sleep). I use grey noise on the Oasis Sound Machine.

In terms of earplugs usage, I would be an over-user but I try not to be. I notice if I use earplugs most of the day, that my tinnitus is louder that evening. Blinking took them out when getting dressed at the gym today - right after that someone used the hand dryer beside me. I looked silly running away holding my ears but so be it! My audiologist warned me about overprotecting would make me much more sensitive to everyday normal sounds. But I still protect to hoover, hairdryer, when my partner is using the power hose - these to me are everyday noises that are a bit too high on the dB scale for not protecting.
 
It's that point that arises over and over again; overprotection vs. underprotection.

What is certain though:

- Overprotect, then you risk hyperacusis getting worse.

- Underprotect, then you risk tinnitus getting worse.

This creates a huge problem of balance. And with reactivity thrown in, it complicates things even more.

The truth is no one knows and no one can tell you what will work best for you. This is something you will need to figure out for yourself.

The consensus of opinion/experience from the forum is that hyperacusis generally reduces over TIME, more so than tinnitus. And that hyperacusis can reduce itself without any treatment/effort at all.

Tinnitus can fade too but there is less chance of this happening. Habituation is a likely outcome if it doesn't fade (completely).

No one gets everything right in this TIME. Everyone has setbacks and has to rethink their approach. This could be very personalised too, dependent on what bothers you the most, the tinnitus or the hyperacusis.

Some believe the priority should be to overprotect, especially early from onset, then gradually ease off overprotection over a space of weeks and months, continually assessing the effect on your tinnitus and hyperacusis, then adjusting accordingly.

Some believe the priority should be to underprotect, allowing your ears to adjust back into the sounds around you again and only protect with obvious LOUD sounds.

What complicates this even further is, as @Michael Leigh has pointed out many times, is that no two people will respond the same.

Sadly, there is no 'real' truth except the truth you will discover for yourself over time.
 
Overprotecting does not make hyperacusis worse. Not sure why people still say that even in 2023. Yeah, you might notice sounds are a little louder than usual, but then your brain adjusts. It's never permanent. Not sure why so many people say wearing hearing protection is going to make you permanently worse! Nah. Jastreboff came up with that and he is a scam artist. Funny how all the audiologists say not to protect but they don't have a hint of hyperacusis, let alone noxacusis.
 
If a person has hyperacusis or noxacusis and chooses to overprotect their ears using hearing protection, they risk making these conditions worse, by lowering the loudness threshold of their auditory system which will make it more sensitive to sound. Some people believe staying at home in a quiet environment is the answer to heal their oversensitivity to sound but unfortunately it isn't. In most instances they will make their situation worse. If they are not careful, other problems can develop, such as phonophobia and misophonia. I have covered this in my thread: The Complexities of Tinnitus and Hyperacusis.

Anyone reading this thread that has noise-induced tinnitus, with or without hyperacusis and naxacusis, my advice is not to overuse hearing protection and deliberately staying at home to avoid normal everyday sounds in the outside environment, this is not the answer because all you are doing is making your condition worse. The auditory system needs to be desensitised, the only way to to do this is to use sound therapy.

Use low-level sound enrichment which I have covered in my thread: Hyperacusis, As I See It. Wearing noise reducing earplugs can be beneficial but they must be used with prudence. If self-help doesn't work for you then try to see an audiologist that specialises in tinnitus and hyperacusis treatment.

I once had very severe hyperacusis that was extremely painful, it was completely cured in two years wearing white noise generators and having counselling as part of TRT. I have been hyperacusis free for 26 years.

Michael
 
If a person has hyperacusis or noxacusis and chooses to overprotect their ears using hearing protection, they risk making these conditions worse, by lowering the loudness threshold of their auditory system which will make it more sensitive to sound. Some people believe staying at home in a quiet environment is the answer to heal their oversensitivity to sound but unfortunately it isn't. In most instances they will make their situation worse. If they are not careful, other problems can develop, such as phonophobia and misophonia. I have covered this in my thread: The Complexities of Tinnitus and Hyperacusis.

Anyone reading this thread that has noise-induced tinnitus, with or without hyperacusis and naxacusis, my advice is not to overuse hearing protection and deliberately staying at home to avoid normal everyday sounds in the outside environment, this is not the answer because all you are doing is making your condition worse. The auditory system needs to be desensitised, the only way to to do this is to use sound therapy.

Use low-level sound enrichment which I have covered in my thread: Hyperacusis, As I See It. Wearing noise reducing earplugs can be beneficial but they must be used with prudence. If self-help doesn't work for you then try to see an audiologist that specialises in tinnitus and hyperacusis treatment.

I once had very severe hyperacusis that was extremely painful, it was completely cured in two years wearing white noise generators and having counselling as part of TRT. I have been hyperacusis free for 26 years.

Michael
I made my problem worse in a couple of months by sitting in silence. Except for silence, anxiety or maybe natural worsening over time, I can't attribute it to anything!

Best
 
There are differing camps here on this thread to say the least.

I would like an opinion on something.

I have loudness hyperacusis, I know there's a debate about reactive tinnitus which I'd rather not get into.

I have been in silence with earplugs for the last 6 weeks or so now, my tinnitus can change volume and pitch quite easily when I try to remove the earplugs. Can this be an element of my hyperacusis that I could eventually see improvement on and gain more stability?
 
What if the person wants to concentrate on reigning in their tinnitus for a period of time?
If a person wants to do this, they can, and see how they get on. Please note, most people that have an oversensitivity to sound usually have noise-induced tinnitus. This oversensitivity which I call hyperacusis, can manifest itself in many ways and no two people will experience it the same. As I have mentioned in my thread: Keeping Things Simple with Tinnitus, I believe this to be the right approach.

Whether one wants to call this oversensitivity, hyperacusis, noxacusis, reactive tinnitus, the treatment for it is sound therapy which I have covered in many of my threads and particularly in Hyperacusis, As I See It. Unless this oversensitivity to sound improves by itself or is treated with self-help or being under the care of an audiologist, that specialises in tinnitus and hyperacusis treatment, the affected person will always have an oversensitive auditory system, that will manifest itself as spikes, sometimes being extremely painful.

Not only do I have personal experience of noise-induced tinnitus and acute oversensitivity to sound (pain hyperacusis), I have corresponded and counselled people affected by these conditions; they are my main areas of interest. Immersing oneself in silence, overusing hearing protection and keeping away from normal everyday sounds is not the solution.

All the best,
Michael
 
I made my problem worse in a couple of months by sitting in silence. Except for silence, anxiety or maybe natural worsening over time, I can't attribute it to anything!
As you have found, sitting in silence isn't a good idea as it can make oversensitivity to sound worse. You can reverse this so don't despair. Start using low-level sound enrichment during the day and especially at night, by placing a sound machine by your bedside. Read my thread: Hyperacusis, As I See It.
I have been in silence with earplugs for the last 6 weeks or so now
I am surprised that you have been doing this @Hardwell, and I advise you to stop overusing earplugs and staying in silence, as you are not helping yourself. Please read my threads again especially Hyperacusis, As I See It.

Michael
 
Yes @Michael Leigh, tell a person who gets pain from low-level sounds to keep pumping sounds into their body until their face is numb.

It doesn't matter if things sound too loud or they get trigeminal nerve pain, the treatment is always the same!
 
If a person has hyperacusis or noxacusis and chooses to overprotect their ears using hearing protection, they risk making these conditions worse, by lowering the loudness threshold of their auditory system which will make it more sensitive to sound. Some people believe staying at home in a quiet environment is the answer to heal their oversensitivity to sound but unfortunately it isn't. In most instances they will make their situation worse. If they are not careful, other problems can develop, such as phonophobia and misophonia. I have covered this in my thread: The Complexities of Tinnitus and Hyperacusis.

Anyone reading this thread that has noise-induced tinnitus, with or without hyperacusis and naxacusis, my advice is not to overuse hearing protection and deliberately staying at home to avoid normal everyday sounds in the outside environment, this is not the answer because all you are doing is making your condition worse. The auditory system needs to be desensitised, the only way to to do this is to use sound therapy.

Use low-level sound enrichment which I have covered in my thread: Hyperacusis, As I See It. Wearing noise reducing earplugs can be beneficial but they must be used with prudence. If self-help doesn't work for you then try to see an audiologist that specialises in tinnitus and hyperacusis treatment.

I once had very severe hyperacusis that was extremely painful, it was completely cured in two years wearing white noise generators and having counselling as part of TRT. I have been hyperacusis free for 26 years.

Michael
Michael, you give some people good advice but you don't have noxacusis and you have never had noxacusis. Stop telling people false information about these conditions. If you have what I have, you're not exposing to sound or doing TRT - I'm sorry to say it. The hyperacusis community is plagued with TRT and Jastreboff and mild sufferers telling severe people they need to expose to noise and TRT cures everything. Obviously not. I've seen a lot of your newer posts and do my best not to say anything. You can say whatever you want about loudness hyperacusis but you don't have any evidence more noise helps noxacusis. Yeah obviously, if people are mild and expose to sound, nothing will happen.

My life has been ruined because of severe noxacusis. Don't come on here and tell lies and gaslight people. Mild cases don't need to avoid noise but being in silence does not make tinnitus and hyperacusis worse. If you define worse as your tinnitus being 5% louder or ears being 10% more sensitive to noise for a short period of time, which reverses when the person is exposed to noise, then ok. I have never heard a single case in history of a person getting permanently worse from silence, but I have seen pretty much every person getting worse from noise.

Some cases of hyperacusis can be in the brain for sure but some are middle and inner ear related and these theories have been proven. The problem with your Jastreboff theories is you expect exposing to sound to work for everybody which obviously it doesn't or there wouldn't be thousands of people in support groups and hundreds of people in bed who've had severe noxacusis for decades.

It's so cute when you think I haven't tried exposing to noise. I do it every day. Know what happens? Feels like a chainsaw is going through my left ear with burning poison knives being deeply shoved into my ears. It is excruciatingly painful and the pain lingers for days. The only time I've had any relief in two years is when I finally soundproofed a room. Now I can play games and talk for a bit, go for runs at night, brush my teeth without pain, eat without pain, but guess what? Because I read your false theories and worked with Ben Thompson to "desensitize" my ears, my noxacusis became permanent and it's been over a year since my left ear has been hurting nonstop on silence. I was literally pain free in my home but decided to believe the mild cases who say they were severe who were cured by sound therapy. Now I have to take low dose Naltrexone, CBD, ice my ear twice a day, soak in garlic oil, run most nights, and be in silence just to deal with the pain. I expose to noise that doesn't feel like razor blades going in my ears. My worst offending external noises are high pitch, especially door screeches, artificial audio, sirens, birds, and frequencies in that range. Completely avoiding those sounds and resting my ears I eased my way into being able to tolerate the buttons on my Xbox controller with no protection and being able to talk with no protection. Exposing to my bad frequencies makes me worse, period.

Now I remember when you said you were so "severe" you had to ask somebody to lower their voice. That is not severe. That's mild moderate. You say your ears were in pain but don't mention specific pain sensations. That is not noxacusis. That's what every person with loudness hyperacusis says; that their ears hurt so bad, that sound hurts them.

Now do not compare your case to mine because I've tried exactly what you did and got worse. I cannot imagine if I "cured" my severe neuralgia from exposing to more sound. You were never homebound, you didn't have neuralgia, you didn't have lingering pain (if you did, it was super mild). I've gotten very good at reading hyperacusis cases at this point. You had moderate-to-severe loudness hyperacusis with barely existent noxacusis. Now bear in mind I have read many cases who get a little ear discomfort, go on forums, read horror stories and become afraid to leave their homes. Then when they try TRT or sound exposure, they're like omg, I'm cured!

No brother, noxacusis is a very serious illness and not a joke. You can say what worked for you all you want but don't be going on support forums gaslighting people, mentioning misophonia and other mental issues dealing with sound intolerance. I don't care about not liking sound, I don't give a crap about being sensitive to sound, I don't care about hearing every noise 100x louder. I care about severe neuralgia pain I get deep in my left ear that makes me vomit and go absolutely insane from how painful it is. I don't care what you think you had, but you don't have what I have, I promise you that. If you think you're tougher than me or you can take more pain than me, you are sadly mistaken. I've been shot before, torn my peck off the bone, almost died from an infection, broke many bones, tore many muscles, I have experienced very painful things in my life and still nothing comes close to this pain. Noxacusis is neuralgia in the ear - did you know the most painful condition known to man is trigeminal neuralgia? It's on every signal medical page across the internet, go look it up. Noxacusis for some people is that pain in their ears and it does not go away with more sound.

I just love how there's both sides of extremes when it comes to hyperacusis. You're on the gaslight, sound therapy, TRT, positive mindset side that takes things way too far to the point to where it's offensive to many of us. And there's people on my side who take things too far and tell everybody to be afraid of sound, to never leave their homes again to never protect from noise. That's not true either, I even tell people who get this that they don't have to protect from every noise unless they're getting really bad pain. Very few people actually have to do what I do to be able to manage severe noxacusis. It's also very funny how Dr. Silverstein told me specifically that TRT and sound therapy doesn't work for severe cases and told me just not to try it in general. Funny how I've seen 5 neurotologists and 7 audiologists who all told me the same exact thing, if sound is causing me severe pain, I should avoid it and do my best to protect my ears, and expose to sound only when it's not causing me pain. So I'm guessing they're all idiots, right? But you're going to listen to Jastreboff who isn't even a doctor.

If you can find me specific research studies with data and specific evidence testing sound therapy on hyperacusis sufferers and hyperacusis sufferers only, be my guest. But you won't. There's one study they did on "healthy" ears of college students who wore earplugs for a week whose hearing got more sensitive by 10 dB. Then it went back to normal after the study. These were healthy ears, not damaged ones. That's science 101. Now you can keep giving your amazing success story on how TRT "cured" your "severe" noxacusis but don't you dare say it should work for me or you know better than me. Not every case is the same and consider yourself lucky you don't have what some of us have.
 
If a person has hyperacusis or noxacusis and chooses to overprotect their ears using hearing protection, they risk making these conditions worse, by lowering the loudness threshold of their auditory system which will make it more sensitive to sound.

Michael
Do you have any research papers to support the assertion that over-protecting can make noxacusis worse? The causes of noxacusis are not fully understood, but the newest research is demonstrating that central gain is likely not the issue in these cases like it is with loudness hyperacusis and tinnitus, and there is no evidence from what I have seen to support the idea that noxacusis and over-protecting have any correlation in the vast majority of cases. But I'm open-minded and willing to change my mind if you could provide evidence contrary to my understanding.
 
Michael, you give some people good advice but you don't have noxacusis and you have never had noxacusis. Stop telling people false information about these conditions. If you have what I have, you're not exposing to sound or doing TRT - I'm sorry to say it. The hyperacusis community is plagued with TRT and Jastreboff and mild sufferers telling severe people they need to expose to noise and TRT cures everything. Obviously not. I've seen a lot of your newer posts and do my best not to say anything. You can say whatever you want about loudness hyperacusis but you don't have any evidence more noise helps noxacusis. Yeah obviously, if people are mild and expose to sound, nothing will happen.

My life has been ruined because of severe noxacusis. Don't come on here and tell lies and gaslight people. Mild cases don't need to avoid noise but being in silence does not make tinnitus and hyperacusis worse. If you define worse as your tinnitus being 5% louder or ears being 10% more sensitive to noise for a short period of time, which reverses when the person is exposed to noise, then ok. I have never heard a single case in history of a person getting permanently worse from silence, but I have seen pretty much every person getting worse from noise.

Some cases of hyperacusis can be in the brain for sure but some are middle and inner ear related and these theories have been proven. The problem with your Jastreboff theories is you expect exposing to sound to work for everybody which obviously it doesn't or there wouldn't be thousands of people in support groups and hundreds of people in bed who've had severe noxacusis for decades.

It's so cute when you think I haven't tried exposing to noise. I do it every day. Know what happens? Feels like a chainsaw is going through my left ear with burning poison knives being deeply shoved into my ears. It is excruciatingly painful and the pain lingers for days. The only time I've had any relief in two years is when I finally soundproofed a room. Now I can play games and talk for a bit, go for runs at night, brush my teeth without pain, eat without pain, but guess what? Because I read your false theories and worked with Ben Thompson to "desensitize" my ears, my noxacusis became permanent and it's been over a year since my left ear has been hurting nonstop on silence. I was literally pain free in my home but decided to believe the mild cases who say they were severe who were cured by sound therapy. Now I have to take low dose Naltrexone, CBD, ice my ear twice a day, soak in garlic oil, run most nights, and be in silence just to deal with the pain. I expose to noise that doesn't feel like razor blades going in my ears. My worst offending external noises are high pitch, especially door screeches, artificial audio, sirens, birds, and frequencies in that range. Completely avoiding those sounds and resting my ears I eased my way into being able to tolerate the buttons on my Xbox controller with no protection and being able to talk with no protection. Exposing to my bad frequencies makes me worse, period.

Now I remember when you said you were so "severe" you had to ask somebody to lower their voice. That is not severe. That's mild moderate. You say your ears were in pain but don't mention specific pain sensations. That is not noxacusis. That's what every person with loudness hyperacusis says; that their ears hurt so bad, that sound hurts them.

Now do not compare your case to mine because I've tried exactly what you did and got worse. I cannot imagine if I "cured" my severe neuralgia from exposing to more sound. You were never homebound, you didn't have neuralgia, you didn't have lingering pain (if you did, it was super mild). I've gotten very good at reading hyperacusis cases at this point. You had moderate-to-severe loudness hyperacusis with barely existent noxacusis. Now bear in mind I have read many cases who get a little ear discomfort, go on forums, read horror stories and become afraid to leave their homes. Then when they try TRT or sound exposure, they're like omg, I'm cured!

No brother, noxacusis is a very serious illness and not a joke. You can say what worked for you all you want but don't be going on support forums gaslighting people, mentioning misophonia and other mental issues dealing with sound intolerance. I don't care about not liking sound, I don't give a crap about being sensitive to sound, I don't care about hearing every noise 100x louder. I care about severe neuralgia pain I get deep in my left ear that makes me vomit and go absolutely insane from how painful it is. I don't care what you think you had, but you don't have what I have, I promise you that. If you think you're tougher than me or you can take more pain than me, you are sadly mistaken. I've been shot before, torn my peck off the bone, almost died from an infection, broke many bones, tore many muscles, I have experienced very painful things in my life and still nothing comes close to this pain. Noxacusis is neuralgia in the ear - did you know the most painful condition known to man is trigeminal neuralgia? It's on every signal medical page across the internet, go look it up. Noxacusis for some people is that pain in their ears and it does not go away with more sound.

I just love how there's both sides of extremes when it comes to hyperacusis. You're on the gaslight, sound therapy, TRT, positive mindset side that takes things way too far to the point to where it's offensive to many of us. And there's people on my side who take things too far and tell everybody to be afraid of sound, to never leave their homes again to never protect from noise. That's not true either, I even tell people who get this that they don't have to protect from every noise unless they're getting really bad pain. Very few people actually have to do what I do to be able to manage severe noxacusis. It's also very funny how Dr. Silverstein told me specifically that TRT and sound therapy doesn't work for severe cases and told me just not to try it in general. Funny how I've seen 5 neurotologists and 7 audiologists who all told me the same exact thing, if sound is causing me severe pain, I should avoid it and do my best to protect my ears, and expose to sound only when it's not causing me pain. So I'm guessing they're all idiots, right? But you're going to listen to Jastreboff who isn't even a doctor.

If you can find me specific research studies with data and specific evidence testing sound therapy on hyperacusis sufferers and hyperacusis sufferers only, be my guest. But you won't. There's one study they did on "healthy" ears of college students who wore earplugs for a week whose hearing got more sensitive by 10 dB. Then it went back to normal after the study. These were healthy ears, not damaged ones. That's science 101. Now you can keep giving your amazing success story on how TRT "cured" your "severe" noxacusis but don't you dare say it should work for me or you know better than me. Not every case is the same and consider yourself lucky you don't have what some of us have.
Thank you @Brian Newman for tirelessly explaining the reality of severe noxacusis to readers of this forum.

It annoys me to no avail that @Michael Leigh keeps ignoring your experience and experience of other sufferers and relentlessly floods the forum with his copy-and-paste spam, even if it is partially correct, it contains wrong and dangerous advice as well.
 
Do you have any research papers to support the assertion that over-protecting can make noxacusis worse? The causes of noxacusis are not fully understood, but the newest research is demonstrating that central gain is likely not the issue in these cases like it is with loudness hyperacusis and tinnitus, and there is no evidence from what I have seen to support the idea that noxacusis and over-protecting have any correlation in the vast majority of cases. But I'm open-minded and willing to change my mind if you could provide evidence contrary to my understanding.
I am replying to your post because you have been respectful. I have made it abundantly clear on numerous occasions, I will not correspond with anyone that uses abusive language towards me or is disrespectful in any way, including calling me a liar.

Research into tinnitus and hyperacusis is something that I welcome, if more understanding into these conditions is to be learnt, hopefully a cure is found. I do not have any data for you to read, because I help people based on personal experience, for I have lived with noise-induced tinnitus for 27 years. I once had very bad pain hyperacusis that was successfully cured wearing white noise generators as part of TRT with counselling. The positive feedback I receive from people suggests to me that I have been of some help and therefore, will continue to do what I do.

I have previously said to try and keep things simple with tinnitus and I suggest you read my thread: Keeping Things Simple with Tinnitus. The more complicated one makes tinnitus by using certain types of terminology, the more difficult it can be to overcome and eventually habituate, because the healing process first starts in the mind. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not saying tinnitus and hyperacusis are generated in the mind, but these conditions can have a profound effect on our mental and emotional well-being.

I have helped many people that have tinnitus and pain hyperacusis. Some people call this noxacusis. As I have said, try to keep things simple with tinnitus and not overcomplicate them. One such person was @Eleanor89. Her hyperacusis was so severe, her ears would hurt from the slightest sound. She followed my advice on gradually introducing sound therapy using a sound machine, then slowly began using white noise generators. @Eleanor89 was having difficulty using them the way her audiologist advised. When she followed my advice, the way I was taught by my audiologist, she had more success. In 2 years @Eleanor89 has got her life back and is in a much better place.

I wish you well,
Michael
copy-and-paste spam, even if it is partially correct, it contains wrong and
I have only ever copied and pasted one post, which was only partial regarding TRT. The 9000 plus posts I have submitted to this forum have all been written individually.

Michael
 
For mild cases of hyperacusis, there is no problem exposing to sound.

Severe cases of hyperacusis (noxacusis) should protect from sound.

Seems easy - right?

But what of those in-between? How can they be sure of what to do? Can we have an argument, sorry heated discussion, and thrash this one out too please?

What is the crossover point when they know it is 'safe' to expose. Is it when they don't experience any pain/discomfort from exposure? But what if they have reactive tinnitus and their tinnitus shoots up for the rest of the day after moderate exposure? Does that mean the person is too sensitive and should not expose (or reduce exposure?) or should they just push on and expose, aiming to reduce reactiveness as well?

Or is it safer to simply err on the side of caution and not expose, hoping healing will occur and that hyperacusis/reactiveness naturally resolves.

It's the middle people that face the most difficult decision as it's far from clear cut.
 
I am surprised that you have been doing this @Hardwell, and I advise you to stop overusing earplugs and staying in silence, as you are not helping yourself. Please read my threads again especially Hyperacusis, As I See It.
I am surprised myself and frustrated by my own actions. A lot of it has a mental aspect for sure, apart from me feeling safer and protecting myself from it spiking temporarily from ambient noise. The biggest issue is it makes it easier for me to deal with the increase, it's loud and should be loud be loud while wearing earplugs, my anxiety/depression can deal with this. But when I take the earplugs out and I notice how much louder it is pre-spike, I go in a downward spiral.

I know I'm dealing with this the wrong way and habituation would be almost impossible like this. But it's a mental struggle I'm having issues with, as always your comments and support are greatly appreciated.
 
Thank you @Brian Newman for tirelessly explaining the reality of severe noxacusis to readers of this forum.

It annoys me to no avail that @Michael Leigh keeps ignoring your experience and experience of other sufferers and relentlessly floods the forum with his copy-and-paste spam, even if it is partially correct, it contains wrong and dangerous advice as well.
Thank you, I try to stay off forums because of all the gaslighting but I gotta say something because some people are just so wrong, they could hurt other people and end up like me because of that advice. Drives me nuts.
 
I am replying to your post because you have been respectful. I have made it abundantly clear on numerous occasions, I will not correspond with anyone that uses abusive language towards me or is disrespectful in any way, including calling me a liar.

Research into tinnitus and hyperacusis is something that I welcome, if more understanding into these conditions is to be learnt, hopefully a cure is found. I do not have any data for you to read, because I help people based on personal experience, for I have lived with noise-induced tinnitus for 27 years. I once had very bad pain hyperacusis that was successfully cured wearing white noise generators as part of TRT with counselling. The positive feedback I receive from people suggests to me that I have been of some help and therefore, will continue to do what I do.

I have previously said to try and keep things simple with tinnitus and I suggest you read my thread: Keeping Things Simple with Tinnitus. The more complicated one makes tinnitus by using certain types of terminology, the more difficult it can be to overcome and eventually habituate, because the healing process first starts in the mind. Please do not misunderstand me, I am not saying tinnitus and hyperacusis are generated in the mind, but these conditions can have a profound effect on our mental and emotional well-being.

I have helped many people that have tinnitus and pain hyperacusis. Some people call this noxacusis. As I have said, try to keep things simple with tinnitus and not overcomplicate them. One such person was @Eleanor89. Her hyperacusis was so severe, her ears would hurt from the slightest sound. She followed my advice on gradually introducing sound therapy using a sound machine, then slowly began using white noise generators. @Eleanor89 was having difficulty using them the way her audiologist advised. When she followed my advice, the way I was taught by my audiologist, she had more success. In 2 years @Eleanor89 has got her life back and is in a much better place.

I wish you well,
Michael

I have only ever copied and pasted one post, which was only partial regarding TRT. The 9000 plus posts I have submitted to this forum have all been written individually.

Michael
Remember that ears hurting from the slightest sound is not deep ear burning, stabbing, razor wire pain, aching and neuralgia. You seem to be very mixed up between loudness hyperacusis and noxacusis. If the person does not describe the pain as lingering stabbing, burning, aching, razor wire, it's not noxacusis, it's loudness hyperacusis. When my loudness hyperacusis was severe, I couldn't touch a plastic bag without my ears fluttering. It was very bad. Touching my shirt was too loud but in reality I could still go to the store or whatever I wanted to do because what's the worst that would happen? Temporary discomfort. If you have noxacusis, you will suffer horrible pain for hours, even days and have severe setbacks. There's no magic counseling, TRT, CBT, 7 thousand dollar headphones needed to help loudness hyperacusis. You just ease your way into sound slowly over time and avoid loud noise. Once again, if people are not describing neuralgia pain in their ears, it's not noxacusis.

And like @Jupiterman said, there's a lot of people just stuck in the middle not sure what to do. Gentle sound exposure will help some, others it won't. It's not a one fix for all. It's definitely worth a try if sound isn't causing somebody neuralgia like pain because noxacusis is probably 1 in 100,000. Loudness hyperacusis is 1 in 50,000. I'm all for people having access to every possible treatment but there needs to be warning labels with skulls on sound therapy for noxacusis because for most it's just a horrible idea. If TRT and sound exposure fixed everybody, there wouldn't be so many members online struggling. Masking tinnitus is one thing, but using more sound to treat severe ear pain from sound makes zero sense. It's very rare for people have to live in a room like me but I have met a few people who still deal with it decades later. It's the future, we're all fed up with the garbage treatment available and want something that works.
 

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