Eckhart Tolle — “Stillness Speaks”

[emmalee]

Since there is no treatment for this, each of us must of necessity take an utterly individual, unconditionally ends-justify-the-means-approach in finding what will avail us (and even to the smallest degree, even if it sounds baseless to others).

Exactly.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

It doesn't seem to me that Greg was disapproving of others who may find meaning, value, solace, or hope in the teachings of Tolle.

I think he was stating that he heard Tolle say that no matter what kind of pain, injury, or suffering one experiences, one should still be able to be happy and joyous. Simply: It is the individual in pain who is making themselves unhappy. Therein we find the objection.

I can't stress this enough: I am not saying that anyone on this forum is saying that or has said that. I'm simply responding to what Greg states he heard Tolle say.

Thank you Tracy for these comments of understanding.

My words: "Now with severe pain of mouth and entire body from head to toe, it's just too severe on top of physical somatic and pulsatile tinnitus. Plus, I'm almost blind."

Like with all, I come here to share my experiences and any knowledge and will continue as long as I can.

Hugs.

 

[TracyJS]

Thank you Tracy for these comments of understanding.

My words: "Now with severe pain of mouth and entire body from head to toe, it's just too severe on top of physical somatic and pulsatile tinnitus. Plus, I'm almost blind."

Like with all, I come here to share my experiences and any knowledge and will continue as long as I can.

Hugs.

You are welcome Greg.

I am so deeply sorry for your pain.

You have always been such a kind and wise presence here, despite how much suffering you experience everyday. Thank you.

 

[TracyJS]

Tracy - I agree with every word.

I am not one of the new age 'positivity' disciples at all. Much of what Eckhart Tolle says I would kick straight out the door. His ideas on physical pain, and physical noise particularly.

No wonder he has made many enemies.

I barely cope with everything that I have now, and they are deteriorating conditions so will undoubtedly get worse.

I sincerely hope I go before that time.

Greg has so much on his plate and I feel for him greatly - I always have and I always will.

I apologise Greg if I upset you.

I know that I don't always express myself the best way.
On a physical pain level Eckhart Tolle is quite wrong.

With regard to the causes of mental illness, which I have suffered from life long due to near total maternal neglect and abuse, he makes more sense.
Even there I feel he has expounded on the original views of others.

My only point of deviation is that I personally do not wish to 'throw the baby out with the bath water.'

I just hope I am making some kind of sense here.

Dave-

You are making sense. If you find meaning and comfort in the words and ideas of Tolle, that's all that matters. Period.

Chronic pain, physical or mental, can make one's world very small. It can be like a room made only for one, and sometimes you can't leave.

I know about the mental pain you have, and its links to your childhood maternal trauma. You know that I understand that all too well.

That certain things help you may not work for others or certain ideas may not resonate is really of no matter.

We each find what we can.
We can share it with others. And offer kindness, understanding and non judgement—always in our imperfect, messy, flawed, yet undeniably human ways.

 

[Jazzer]

Dave-

You are making sense. If you find meaning and comfort in the words and ideas of Tolle, that's all that matters. Period.

Chronic pain, physical or mental, can make one's world very small. It can be like a room made only for one, and sometimes you can't leave.

I know about the mental pain you have, and its links to your childhood maternal trauma. You know that I understand that all too well.

That certain things help you may not work for others or certain ideas may not resonate is really of no matter.

We each find what we can.
We can share it with others. And offer kindness, understanding and non judgement—always in our imperfect, messy, flawed, yet undeniably human ways.

A good post Tracy.

I agree wholeheartedly with every word.

Not too surprising - we are both psychologists and have clearly read some of the best people in the field.

I believe we recognise each other on a deep level. I would also agree that none of us can know the depth and extent of another's pain.

We are all attempting to cope with a pretty hateful painful world, the best, and sometimes the only, way we can.

 

[Jazzer]

We are all free to choose our own inspirational mentors, and so it must be.

 

[Greg Sacramento]

I am so deeply sorry for your pain

Thank you Tracy for your kindness and understanding. Studied mind and body in college & afterwards and worked in hospitals and counseling centers for 28 years. Doctors, psychologists and inspirational mentors are able to help many. Unfortunately for me, I realize my severe painful health problems can't be addressed.

 

[Jazzer]

 

[Lane]

Unfortunately for me, I realize my severe painful health problems can't be addressed.

Hi @Greg Sacramento -- I'm sorry to hear about your continuing, unrelenting pain problems. You may want to check out this post[/B] on a thread I started. It's by a guy who tried out a DMSO/Magnesium Oil combination I wrote about, and how it can be very helpful for pain syndromes. Here's a quote from his post:

"...all in all over the past couple weeks it's chopped the face pain, hyperacusis, spasms and ETD in at least half."​

Take care Greg, All the Best...

 

[Ed209]

Thank you Tracy for these comments of understanding.

My words: "Now with severe pain of mouth and entire body from head to toe, it's just too severe on top of physical somatic and pulsatile tinnitus. Plus, I'm almost blind."

Like with all, I come here to share my experiences and any knowledge and will continue as long as I can.

Hugs.

Greg, your situation is one that often crosses my mind when I visit this site. You are always compassionate and helpful towards others, and you do this even though you are in considerable pain. I have a lot of time and respect for you.

The same goes for @Jazzer (Dave). We've had arguments in the past, but that's life (as he already pointed out). Sometimes perspectives clash, and it's certainly not out of malice. It's all water under the bridge at the end of the day. Life goes on. Dave has been through a lot, but he still helps out with words of encouragement and distraction.

There are many on this site that are so thoughtful and caring that it restores a tiny bit of my faith in humanity. @emmalee is possibly the least argumentative person I've ever come across, for example. She's all heart.

Love to you all.

 

[Jazzer]

The same goes for @Jazzer (Dave). We've had arguments in the past, but that's life (as he already pointed out). Sometimes perspectives clash, and it's certainly not out of malice. It's all water under the bridge at the end of the day. Life goes on. Dave has been through a lot, but he still helps out with words of encouragement and distraction.

Thank you Ed.

I believe that we all do our best to try to help and encourage each other.

Yes we are all flawed, of course; life in many cases has done its damnedest to destroy us, yet as well as having the courage to keep going, we go out of our way to help others if we can.

Inevitably, problems amongst ourselves arise, often through our different perspectives, different belief structures, and sometimes just through misunderstandings, but if we can accommodate each other's differences, we will always come through in a brotherhood/sisterhood, just a recognition of our shared humanity.

Very well said brother.
xxx

 

[Lane]

@emmalee is possibly the least argumentative person I've ever come across, for example.

And then there's that Lane guy, who's probably the most argumentative person you'll ever run across, especially when it comes to his thinking on the relative insanity of conventional health care. But, try to be compassionate. As I mentioned another time, he just can't seem to help himself!

 

[Jazzer]

And then there's that Lane guy, who's probably the most argumentative person you'll ever run across, especially when it comes to his thinking on the relative insanity of conventional health care. But, try to be compassionate. As I mentioned another time, he just can't seem to help himself!

@Lane - I've always found you to be okay, you know, one of the good guys - but then I've always been considered a bit weird me'self.

 

[Ed209]

And then there's that Lane guy, who's probably the most argumentative person you'll ever run across, especially when it comes to his thinking on the relative insanity of conventional health care. But, try to be compassionate. As I mentioned another time, he just can't seem to help himself!

It's all good, Lane. You've always been one of the good guys, and it's nice to see people with differing views getting along just fine; as it should be!

I'm no different. I can't help but get drawn into deep debates sometimes, but I suppose it's par for the course on a site like this. Take care of yourself.

 

[emmalee]

There are many on this site that are so thoughtful and caring that it restores a tiny bit of my faith in humanity. @emmalee is possibly the least argumentative person I've ever come across, for example. She's all heart.

Love to you all.

Thank-you for the lovely compliment, Ed.

You forgot to add your own name to the many who are thoughtful and caring. You have shown this side of yourself over and over again. Too many times to count, in fact.

 

[emmalee]

And then there's that Lane guy, who's probably the most argumentative person you'll ever run across, especially when it comes to his thinking on the relative insanity of conventional health care. But, try to be compassionate. As I mentioned another time, he just can't seem to help himself!

You are a valuable member of this community, Lane. Your posts never cease to amaze me, I for one am glad that you can't help yourself.

 

[emmalee]

@Lane - but then I've always been considered a bit weird me'self.

Really, Dave? I hadn't noticed...

 

[Jazzer]

Really, Dave? I hadn't noticed...

"You crack me up sometimes Em"

 

[emmalee]

"You crack me up sometimes Em"

I was having a bit of fun, Dave. You are able to poke fun at yourself and this is refreshing, especially on a tinnitus forum. We all need some laughter, here, more often than not.

"If you find it hard to laugh at yourself, I would be happy to do it for you."

Groucho Marx ~

 

[Damocles]

Yes, we should defend out own genuine beliefs.

This topic is a good one and I feel that you started it because it has helped you a great deal. Wanting to share this with the other Tinnitus Talk members is admirable. If it is not another's "cup of tea" then this is okay, too.

I think open and honest feedback is healthy, as long as it is respectful and knowledge based. We can only learn from such discussions. Differing opinions are always refreshing, as long as we are not trying to convince another that what they believe is wrong.

Sorry if I appear pushy, it's just that I truly believe that there is a need for this topic on the forum.

You may not like my opinions or my demeanour @emmalee, but just know that I only ever have yours and everyone else's best interests at the forefront of my mind.

I desire to live in a world free of pain, because a world free of pain is a desirable place to live.

Even if people find it hard to view my fiery temperament as the result of care and concern, they'll just have to take me at my word, that it contains no more malice than does a parent's scolding of their child, whom they feel the need to protect.

And even if it's not my/your cup of tea, there's never any harm in making a second cup (maybe of some nice Bai Mudan Green).

All the best, Damocles.

 

[emmalee]

You may not like my opinions or my demeanour @emmalee, but just know that I only ever have yours and everyone else's best interests at the forefront of my mind.

I desire to live in a world free of pain, because a world free of pain is a desirable place to live.

Even if people find it hard to view my fiery temperament as the result of care and concern, they'll just have to take me at my word, that it contains no more malice than does a parent's scolding of their child, whom they feel the need to protect.

And even if it's not my/your cup of tea, there's never any harm in making a second cup (maybe of some nice Bai Mudan Green).

All the best, Damocles.

Well, you certainly have my attention with this post, Damocles. At the risk of sounding rude, which I most certainly don't want to sound, we have never had a discussion. That is, not one that I can remember?? Please correct me if I am wrong.

There is no reason for me to like or dislike your opinions or demeanor. Thank-you, though, for saying that you have my (and everyone, else's) best interests at the forefront of your mind. This is very thoughtful of you.

Perhaps we need to sit down and have that cup of tea you talk about.

All the best to you, too.

 

[Damocles]

Well, you certainly have my attention with this post, Damocles. At the risk of sounding rude, which I most certainly don't want to sound, we have never had a discussion. That is, not one that I can remember?? Please correct me if I am wrong.

There is no reason for me to like or dislike your opinions or demeanor. Thank-you, though, for saying that you have my (and everyone, else's) best interests at the forefront of your mind. This is very thoughtful of you.

Perhaps we need to sit down and have that cup of tea you talk about.

All the best to you, too.

HA HA! You are quite right @emmalee. I'll come clean and admit to the fact I have (intentionally) taken your post out of context for the purpose of passively addressing a number of people I was recently in a heated debate with.

But I appreciate that you see the sincerity in my message!

I would absolutely love to sit and enjoy a cup of tea with you sometime.

 

[Jazzer]

To return to the teachings of Eckhart Tolle, become aware of the voice in your head that may well be 'your own worst enemy.'

 

[Jazzer]

"Many people live with a tormenter in their head, that continuously attacks and punishes them and drains them of vital energy. It is the cause of untold misery and unhappiness as well as of disease. It is not uncommon for the voice to be a persons worst enemy."


This universal scenario insidiously 'ties in' with being a tinnitus sufferer - hence 'this hell on earth is obviously my punishment - I deserve it !!'


The answer is to recognise this voice as a false self, a liar, a fabrication, and dis-identify with it, it does not describe who I am - the moment it starts it's negative narrative, usually on awakening.

 

[TracyJS]

 

[Jazzer]

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Exactly Tracy.
Not just the way we talk to them.
The way we treat them.
The way we look at them.
The way we respond to them.
Whether we go to them and pick them up,
and love them better when they cry.

 

[TracyJS]

I am as I am treated.
Or rather, I believe I am as I am treated.

 

[Jazzer]

 

[Jazzer]

Practice listening to the incessant negative self-talk within you.

 

[Jazzer]