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Fix for Sound Induced Pain — Stellate Ganglion Block?

Thanks for reporting back - this makes me wonder whether it would be worth trying with hyperacusis from prolonged noise exposure, sounds like it!

I find SGB helps relieve my hyperacusis with acquired audio-somatic synesthesia from Developmental Trauma/Complex PTSD. I've had the procedure 5 times since late Sept and find relief with each. The symptoms creep back after a couple of weeks so I'd like to try a few SGBs two weeks apart.

Unfortunately, the SGB has not relieved my tinnitus, and sometimes it seems to have made it worse. Dunno, tho. I've had it for about 5o years, don't really recall life without it, mostly try to ignore it.
 
I find SGB helps relieve my hyperacusis with acquired audio-somatic synesthesia from Developmental Trauma/Complex PTSD. I've had the procedure 5 times since late Sept and find relief with each. The symptoms creep back after a couple of weeks so I'd like to try a few SGBs two weeks apart.

Unfortunately, the SGB has not relieved my tinnitus, and sometimes it seems to have made it worse. Dunno, tho. I've had it for about 5o years, don't really recall life without it, mostly try to ignore it.
@Shay Seaborne thank you for sharing your experience with the SGB! May I ask more specifically how it has helped your hyperacusis? For example, if you have burning ear pain did the block help with that? Also, if you have hyperacusis in both ears, did the block only effect the ear on the side that the block was administered?

I have severe ear pain with my hyperacusis, and I've been considering this block. I'm very interested to hear more about how it has helped your hyperacusis.
 
Welp, I had two stellate ganglion blocks on my right side done last week (applied about 3 days apart), and unfortunately, they did not relieve any of my sound induced pain.

I do have chronic aching, burning, stinging, and sometimes itching ear pain in silence, and it seemed to temporarily relieve some of that. It also seemed to help with the burning sensation in my nose and throat that I sometimes get.

So, not a total bust, but not the amazing relief that woman from the article got. Based on the description of her pain, it sounds like the block helped her with TTTS induced pain, but I don't think I have that.

I will say that the sedative they gave me contained Clonidine, and it was AMAZING. Neither ear hurt for a few hours after that, and I have to admit that I felt pretty intoxicated (which was a nice break from being so miserable for months).
 
Welp, I had two stellate ganglion blocks on my right side done last week (applied about 3 days apart), and unfortunately, they did not relieve any of my sound induced pain.

I do have chronic aching, burning, stinging, and sometimes itching ear pain in silence, and it seemed to temporarily relieve some of that. It also seemed to help with the burning sensation in my nose and throat that I sometimes get.

So, not a total bust, but not the amazing relief that woman from the article got. Based on the description of her pain, it sounds like the block helped her with TTTS induced pain, but I don't think I have that.

I will say that the sedative they gave me contained Clonidine, and it was AMAZING. Neither ear hurt for a few hours after that, and I have to admit that I felt pretty intoxicated (which was a nice break from being so miserable for months).
Did it do anything regarding facial pain?
 
Did it do anything regarding facial pain?
I did feel some numbness on my right cheek right after the second block, but I honestly don't get a whole lot of face pain. When I do, it's more of an atypical burning itch and spreads all over my face and head. I thankfully haven't had a severe flare of that since the receiving the blocks, but I don't know if that is because of the blocks or not, because I still can't expose myself to much noise because of the ear pain that I still have.

Something also interesting that may be specific to only me, but Benadryl really helps when the severe burning itch starts to flare up on my face (feels very neuropathic). I have read histamine does play a role in inflammation and pain, and I've read about some people finding relief from neuropathy with Benadryl. I know everything is ototoxic, but when the pain is bad I just don't care.
 
I did feel some numbness on my right cheek right after the second block, but I honestly don't get a whole lot of face pain. When I do, it's more of an atypical burning itch and spreads all over my face and head. I thankfully haven't had a severe flare of that since the receiving the blocks, but I don't know if that is because of the blocks or not, because I still can't expose myself to much noise because of the ear pain that I still have.

Something also interesting that may be specific to only me, but Benadryl really helps when the severe burning itch starts to flare up on my face (feels very neuropathic). I have read histamine does play a role in inflammation and pain, and I've read about some people finding relief from neuropathy with Benadryl. I know everything is ototoxic, but when the pain is bad I just don't care.
I take small dose Benadryl (one children's tablet) too at night. It does help with my face pain, too. I try not to take it every night, though.
 
I am so excited guys, tomorrow I am going to see a chiropractor whose office does this procedure and I am hoping I will be able to get it done. I really hope it can help me out.

I am also going to see him to see if he can help with my TMJ.
 
Hey guys, so I met the pain doctor and he upped my Gabapentin dosage and said he's going to talk to his boss and next time when I come back in like 2 weeks for the follow up, we'll talk more about it.
 
Hey guys, so I met the pain doctor and he upped my Gabapentin dosage and said he's going to talk to his boss and next time when I come back in like 2 weeks for the follow up, we'll talk more about it.
How long did your pain reduction last after ultrasound treatment?
 
Anyone else thinking of trying this? Reading the acoustic shock paper again suggests to me that this could be a useful way to "break the cycle" while addressing other co-factors, such as stress, TMJ/jaw issues, histamine problems (see Norena's acoustic shock paper), muscular-skeletal issues (neck in particular) etc.
 
Welp, I had two stellate ganglion blocks on my right side done last week (applied about 3 days apart), and unfortunately, they did not relieve any of my sound induced pain.

I do have chronic aching, burning, stinging, and sometimes itching ear pain in silence, and it seemed to temporarily relieve some of that. It also seemed to help with the burning sensation in my nose and throat that I sometimes get.

So, not a total bust, but not the amazing relief that woman from the article got. Based on the description of her pain, it sounds like the block helped her with TTTS induced pain, but I don't think I have that.

I will say that the sedative they gave me contained Clonidine, and it was AMAZING. Neither ear hurt for a few hours after that, and I have to admit that I felt pretty intoxicated (which was a nice break from being so miserable for months).
Hey @Marin, did you have any side effects from your SGB?
 
Hey @Marin, did you have any side effects from your SGB?
Thankfully, no. The hardest part was getting to and from the medical facility and waiting in the doctors' office because I was homebound at the time. Other than that, the procedure wasn't bad and I didn't experience any negative side effects.
 
Anyone else thinking of trying this? Reading the acoustic shock paper again suggests to me that this could be a useful way to "break the cycle" while addressing other co-factors, such as stress, TMJ/jaw issues, histamine problems (see Norena's acoustic shock paper), muscular-skeletal issues (neck in particular) etc.
I've read some of your posts. You seem quite knowledgeable on noxacusis. Do you think a GSB would resolve some of the direct pain experienced from sounds? What do you mean by breaking the cycle if I may ask?

I am planning on visiting a pain clinic which claims to be specialized in treating tinnitus. Recently, I spoke with one of their assistants on the phone. It was a bit of a vague story but she told me the clinic employs nerve blocks and medication, and she claimed they have successfully treated some patients with hyperacusis. Unfortunately my insurance company is being difficult, so I might not be able to get treated (long story), but if I do, I'll be sure to let this forum know how it meant.
 
I've read some of your posts. You seem quite knowledgeable on noxacusis. Do you think a GSB would resolve some of the direct pain experienced from sounds? What do you mean by breaking the cycle if I may ask?

I am planning on visiting a pain clinic which claims to be specialized in treating tinnitus. Recently, I spoke with one of their assistants on the phone. It was a bit of a vague story but she told me the clinic employs nerve blocks and medication, and she claimed they have successfully treated some patients with hyperacusis. Unfortunately my insurance company is being difficult, so I might not be able to get treated (long story), but if I do, I'll be sure to let this forum know how it meant.
Hey @StoneInFocus. I'm not very active on here these days but in short, I think a GSB could definitely provide some short term relief. It's something I may eventually try myself but am currently treating my jaw as one of my co-factors and wish to see how that plays out first.

As for "breaking the cycle", it would be better for me to direct you to the acoustic shock paper written by Norena to explain what I mean by this. This for me is really one the definitive papers when it comes to explaining what is probably happening to those of us with hyperacusis and addresses the various co-factors that make it difficult to recover (if left untreated).
 
Hey @StoneInFocus. I'm not very active on here these days but in short, I think a GSB could definitely provide some short term relief. It's something I may eventually try myself but am currently treating my jaw as one of my co-factors and wish to see how that plays out first.

As for "breaking the cycle", it would be better for me to direct you to the acoustic shock paper written by Norena to explain what I mean by this. This for me is really one the definitive papers when it comes to explaining what is probably happening to those of us with hyperacusis and addresses the various co-factors that make it difficult to recover (if left untreated).
Just curious, how are you treating your jaw? Because I have TMJD myself and except wearing a splint, I don't know what to do. I went to 6 doctors and no solution.
 
Just curious, how are you treating your jaw? Because I have TMJD myself and except wearing a splint, I don't know what to do
I would consider Botox treatment if I were you. Might have a synergy effect on hyperacusis as well - at least temporary.
 
Just curious, how are you treating your jaw? Because I have TMJD myself and except wearing a splint, I don't know what to do. I went to 6 doctors and no solution.
It's taken me almost 2 years to figure this out, but I believe in my own personal case, one of my co-factors (among stress and others) has been a retracted mandible. No splint (unless it's a mandibular advancement splint) is going to fix that. When the mandible is retracted (i.e. set back), it can compress the trigeminal nerve, and if the TGN is compressed the Eustachian tube can go out of whack, middle ear inflammation can set in, the tension of the ear drum can change, the middle ear muscles can tense up and the nerve itself can start to become sensitised. In short, all hell can break loose.

In order to understand how that happens, I highly recommend reading this article. I had come across it early on in my reading but dismissed it, only to stumble across it again 18 months later after exhausting a lot of other options. It's long and it's heavy, but it's written by someone who has a background in robotics engineering and applied the principles of that discipline to how the body can malfunction when one part of the system starts to fail. Essentially, everything is connected. He's now a trained physiotherapist and is currently retraining to become a fully qualified doctor

I think intuitively speaking, a lot of us feel that our jaws are involved, and many ENTs seem to suggest it as well, but as the jaw is not their area they can't advise - they just know there is a connection.

As for the solution to a retracted mandible? Permanent habitual change i.e. forcing your jaw forward by about 2-4mm (very subtle) by engaging the lateral pterygoids. It is really important one doesn't engage the suprahyoid muscles under the chin to compensate, as this is can actually make things worse as these muscles can set the jaw back. Being long in the neck is also good and it's useful to train the deep neck flexors (see MSK neurology YouTube channel for these exercises). A lot of people think chin tucks should help - they are actually very bad for you if you have a retracted mandible.

Finally, how to know if you have a retracted mandible? The three main things I've learned to look for are:

a) An overbite i.e. your upper teeth close over your lower teeth
b) A false double chin, particularly if you're slim
c) Perhaps the biggest tell of all three - a noticeable bulge anterior to the jaw joint when opening the mouth (see photo below):

None of these signs in isolation mean you have a retracted mandible, but the congruence of all three in my opinion would certainly suggest so - or at least (a) and (c). Here's a photo example showing difference between retracted and non-retracted mandible:

Anyway, within days of keeping my mandible protracted I saw noticeable improvements in my symptoms, particularly my trigeminal neuralgia. My sensitivity has improved a bit as well, and it's only been two weeks. I have gone a bit backwards on some days but my understanding is that this is because my lateral pterygoids may be becoming inflamed after being inactive for so long, and the TGN branches into these muscles. But the overall trend has been positive.
 

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I would consider Botox treatment if I were you. Might have a synergy effect on hyperacusis as well - at least temporary.
I would avoid it like the plague, unless you are absolutely sure the problem is overgrown masseters/clenching. Notwithstanding the case that there have been anecdotal cases of hearing loss from Botox (it is a toxin, after all), it isn't necessarily obvious that the problem would be overgrown masseters. The evidence points more towards inhibition of the lateral pterygoids, which as I explained further above leads to retraction of the mandible and compression of the TGN (and all the ear-associated problems that go with that).
 
I would consider Botox treatment if I were you. Might have a synergy effect on hyperacusis as well - at least temporary.
Thanks for the suggestion. Not sure if Botox will help because it will relax the muscles, not the nerves. My pain is on the nerves, for example, when I put the earmuffs on, the pain becomes a lot more severe in an instant.
 
Not sure if Botox will help because it will relax the muscles, not the nerves. My pain is on the nerves, for example, when I put the earmuffs on, the pain becomes a lot more severe in an instant.
It works for facial nerve issues - at least for me.

Whether it would work for you I wouldn't know.

But my pattern of pain and so on is different to yours.

Best of luck with your recovery @Taw.
 
It works for facial nerve issues - at least for me.

Whether it would work for you I wouldn't know.

But my pattern of pain and so on is different to yours.

Best of luck with your recovery @Taw.
So you did Botox and it works with your pain? My pain is mostly in the trigeminal and occipital area, not sure if you had the shot in one of these 2 areas...
 
So you did Botox and it works with your pain? My pain is mostly in the trigeminal and occipital area, not sure if you had the shot in one of these 2 areas...
I've had pain in both areas you refer to.

I had injections in upper SCM, masseter and temporalis. They affect the trigeminal.
 
I've had pain in both areas you refer to.

I had injections in upper SCM, masseter and temporalis. They affect the trigeminal.
I am glad that the injections helped. So do you do them regularly now? Does it affect the hyperacusis in a positive way?
 
@Taw, I only did one time so far.

I will discuss with my neurologist after 1 month and then after 3 months what we will do further with possible follow up injections. I get the Botox for free, I only pay for the time/consultation.

It does seems to have a positive effect on my hyperacusis, yes. But whether it will be a lasting effect, or how it will evolve and feel during the next 2-3 months, only time will tell. 1 day at a time.
 
@Taw, I only did one time so far.

I will discuss with my neurologist after 1 month and then after 3 months what we will do further with possible follow up injections. I get the Botox for free, I only pay for the time/consultation.

It does seems to have a positive effect on my hyperacusis, yes. But whether it will be a lasting effect, or how it will evolve and feel during the next 2-3 months, only time will tell. 1 day at a time.
How are you doing now almost 2 more months down the line? Has your quality of life and hyperacusis improved since getting the botox?
 
@Aaron91, for me personally, it has had good effect on my TMD/jaw issues - which was the reason I had the injections, on recommendation from my neurologist. Usually the effects wears off at around 3 months for this kind of medical Botox treatment.

For me there was a positive side effect on the hyperacusis too - as a synergistic effect due to the calming effect of the surrounding areas (as jaw - which of course is closely connected to the ear).

Whether I will do a new injection, I would have to discuss with my neuro + jaw specialist and dentist.
 

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