Floaters

[Tamalak]

seems a lot more likely that it was already there, and your thalamus was doing a bang-up job of filtering out of your conscious awareness until you started 'looking' for it.

I have read numerous reports of people 'getting' tinnitus under similar circumstances. In fact, in my case, I developed the visual problems first, then read that people with such visual problems also often have T, and started mentally 'looking' for it...... EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.

That could very well be! But I don't think they were there for that long if so. I've noticed, in the past, "clear" floaters now and then, they kind of look like single bubbles or lines of bubbles and I think everyone has them. They're much less intrusive than the solid black ones I see now, so, I was already pretty sensitive to notice them!

 

[linearb]

That could very well be! But I don't think they were there for that long if so. I've noticed, in the past, "clear" floaters now and then, they kind of look like single bubbles or lines of bubbles and I think everyone has them. They're much less intrusive than the solid black ones I see now, so, I was already pretty sensitive to notice them!

Huh, I developed something that sounds a lot like that for a while following LSD use as a teenager.

You haven't by chance dropped a bunch of acid lately, have you? :-P

 

[Tamalak]

Huh, I developed something that sounds a lot like that for a while following LSD use as a teenager.

You haven't by chance dropped a bunch of acid lately, have you? :-P

Haha no, the only drugs I take are melatonin and alcohol

 

[linearb]

Haha no, the only drugs I take are melatonin and alcohol

If this were happening to me, I might be at least slightly suspicious of the melatonin. It's definitely psychoactive, and it's structually very similar to serotonin, which is the mechanism by which hallucinogenic drugs exert much of their action:

Note the same indole functional group in all four compounds, the latter two are notably psychoactive

 

[Nucleo]

Not too bad though (at least not yet), just three little squiggles I don't notice unless I'm in a brightly lit environment or looking at a blue sky. Not really the visual equivalent of T. The visual equivalent of T would be a searing light you can see with your eyes closed.

I don't think those are floaters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_field_entoptic_phenomenon

The tinnitus equivalent of vision is visual snow. Kind of looks like a digital camera screen shows when trying to take a picture in low light environments.

 

[Tamalak]

Note the same indole functional group in all four compounds, the latter two are notably psychoactive

I really doubt I'm imagining these particles, they just behave so consistently and reasonably physics-wise! But interesting stuff.

 

[Weswhat]

Highly doubt it but anyone know if there's a correlation between tinnitus and eye floaters? Maybe both are the same symptoms of something causing both?
My eye floaters have been driving me mad these past few days honestly. My OCD is not helping either.
Anyone else out there with eye floaters?
How old were you when you got them? Do you have a lot of them?

 

[RicoS]

Highly doubt it but anyone know if there's a correlation between tinnitus and eye floaters? Maybe both are the same symptoms of something causing both?
My eye floaters have been driving me mad these past few days honestly. My OCD is not helping either.
Anyone else out there with eye floaters?
How old were you when you got them? Do you have a lot of them?

I was 31 when I got them I was 32 when I had them removed in Belgium (Leuven by Dr Stalmans) by FOV (Floaters Only Vitrectomy). It's daily business for them to remove eyefloaters. I had no side-effects after the surgery. I was 41 when I got T.... I do tVMS now....hope that it works!
PS I had severe eyefloaters

 

[JonDAH]

I was 31 when I got them I was 32 when I had them removed in Belgium (Leuven by Dr Stalmans) by FOV (Floaters Only Vitrectomy). It's daily business for them to remove eyefloaters. I had no side-effects after the surgery. I was 41 when I got T.... I do tVMS now....hope that it works!
PS I had severe eyefloaters

That's good U had a successful FOV.

Anyone who has eye floaters may be interested in this site - http://floatertalk.yuku.com/

 

[RicoS]

That's good U had a successful FOV.

Anyone who has eye floaters may be interested in this site - http://floatertalk.yuku.com/

I kept a diary there I posted under the name SIM
http://floatertalk.yuku.com/topic/949/

Unbelievable that it is still there....it is worth the read you can read my progress of my first FOV

At that time I did not had T I would not even know what it was... I thought the floaters was the worst ever and I rather be deaf...well ....I can take that back now

 

[svg1204]

I was just about to ask what a floater is but better not, I'm scared now.

 

[RicoS]

I was just about to ask what a floater is but better not, I'm scared now.

You should not get in to it...the least you know the better!!!

 

[Atlantis]

I was just about to ask what a floater is but better not, I'm scared now.

It has nothing to do with poop...

 

[Lloyd Carter]

@Markku If you could permanently get rid of either the floaters or the tinnitus, which would you choose?

 

[Harold]

I have eye floaters and bad Tinnitus so now reading about eye floaters on the above thread i wonder how many people with T do have eye floaters as a second issue, Can some weakness related to getting Tinnitus somehow relate as well to eye floaters.....can the two together have a genetic component ..... i wonder how many people with eye floaters and Tinnitus also suffer with ADD and can helping ADD with protean diet and exercise also help Tinnitus and eye floaters....i heard that there may be a lazer procedure that turns the eye floaters that appear black in the vitrias eye liquid to bubbles that disappear in the procedure and after 2 days of lazer treatment the floaters are gone.....the treatment was mentioned as 1500 bucks per eye treatment..look up "curing eye floaters" on google..

 

[Zechariah]

I have eye floaters and bad Tinnitus so now reading about eye floaters on the above thread i wonder how many people with T do have eye floaters as a second issue, Can some weakness related to getting Tinnitus somehow relate as well to eye floaters.....can the two together have a genetic component ..... i wonder how many people with eye floaters and Tinnitus also suffer with ADD and can helping ADD with protean diet and exercise also help Tinnitus and eye floaters....i heard that there may be a lazer procedure that turns the eye floaters that appear black in the vitrias eye liquid to bubbles that disappear in the procedure and after 2 days of lazer treatment the floaters are gone.....the treatment was mentioned as 1500 bucks per eye treatment..look up "curing eye floaters" on google..

Of course everything is possible but according to present knowledge - no, floaters and T are not related. People tend to get floaters as a result of myopia. When you have myopia your eye is physically larger than people with normal visual acuity. This creates tension and traction at retina and between retina and vitreous gel which easily leads to floaters.

Additionally there is age related "degeneration" and liquidification in vitreous gel which also cause floaters. This happens to everyone to some extent.

Vitreous gel has no metabolism so theoretically it doesn't matter what you eat.

 

[JonDAH]

I found this link, it's a clip from an Australian talk show, it talks about the new laser for vitreous floaters:

http://www.todaytonightadelaide.com.au/stories/floaters

Ellex are the medical company that manufacture the lasers -

https://www.facebook.com/EllexMedical/

http://www.ellex.com/

Interesting thread - "Young Floaters vs Older Floaters".

 

[Mark662]

@Markku If you could permanently get rid of either the floaters or the tinnitus, which would you choose?

Personally, I would rather not have tinnitus. If I shut my eyes, the floaters disappear, tinnitus doesn't.

In any case, floaters are curable. Tinnitus isn't. There's a choice.

 

[linearb]

Personally, I would rather not have tinnitus. If I shut my eyes, the floaters disappear, tinnitus doesn't.

Some of us are lucky enough to have chronic visual misinformation that doesn't go away when the eyes are closed, instead it's like putting earplugs in with tinnitus: the visual glitches become all that you can see. What's darkness? For me, it's a sea of swirling, constantly moving multicolored static.

What's fascinating is that for me, that is darkness. I've lived with it for so long, I literally don't think about it unless I read a thread like this. I imagine that if my eyes suddenly started to work like they did when I was a small child, and everything was crisp and sharp and darkness had no color or texture to it, I would probably go quite berserk for some period of time.

 

[Nucleo]

Some of us are lucky enough to have chronic visual misinformation that doesn't go away when the eyes are closed, instead it's like putting earplugs in with tinnitus: the visual glitches become all that you can see. What's darkness? For me, it's a sea of swirling, constantly moving multicolored static.

These aren't floaters though. This is literally the tinnitus equivalent of vision and is usually referred as visual snow.

If you have both this and tinnitus, as well as other sensory issues (chronic pain for example) then I think the root problem lies in a brainwide dysfunction.

 

[linearb]

If you have both this and tinnitus, as well as other sensory issues (chronic pain for example) then I think the root problem lies in a brainwide dysfunction.

Probably, but until there's a clear clinical understanding and treatment approach, I choose to not put energy into thinking about it.

The visual stuff bothers me not at all, and I don't even think of it as a problem. If someone offered to fix it, I don't know that I'd pursue it. Some people have reported success on that front with Keppra, but I think that stuff is much more terrifying than visual sparkles.

Pain is a tougher nut to crack; fortunately at this point my own problems in that regard are not very severe and manageable with lifestyle and behavioral practices...

 

[linearb]

There also seems to be a psychological feedback loop to the visual aspect of this; at least 50% of the people I have described it to over the years, identify with it, especially under low-light conditions. So, whatever it is, is an exacerbation of a fundamentally normal perceptual phenomenon, and I have found that the simple act of fixating on it over a long period of time invariably makes it more significant.

 

[Zechariah]

Some of us are lucky enough to have chronic visual misinformation that doesn't go away when the eyes are closed, instead it's like putting earplugs in with tinnitus: the visual glitches become all that you can see. What's darkness? For me, it's a sea of swirling, constantly moving multicolored static.

What's fascinating is that for me, that is darkness. I've lived with it for so long, I literally don't think about it unless I read a thread like this. I imagine that if my eyes suddenly started to work like they did when I was a small child, and everything was crisp and sharp and darkness had no color or texture to it, I would probably go quite berserk for some period of time.

Count me in, although (as stated before and you may know) these aren't floaters. I've thought taking Keppra to see if it does anything to my T or visual snow or maybe more potent Brivaracetam later.

 

[linearb]

Count me in, although (as stated before and you may know) these aren't floaters. I've thought taking Keppra to see if it does anything to my T or visual snow or maybe more potent Brivaracetam later.

If you do, please drop me a PM to let me know how it goes, since I don't always keep up on this thread!

I think my visual snow sort of "snuck in under the radar" of when my perceptual system was still really maturing, and so at this point it seems so completely normal to me that I haven't invested any effort in trying to do much about it (or even, really, think about it) in more than a decade at this point. I suppose I took some Lion's Mane mushrooms for a while last year because I'd read about it on VS forums -- but, I was more interested to see if it might impact the tinnitus. (For the record, I'd say it marginally improved my visual acuity and color perception, but not the ringing. If I could get it fresh, locally, I'd probably just make it a regular part of my diet because I think it may have good neurogenic properties, but I'm not nuts about gobbling supplements really long term, even if they are Paul Stamets stuff).

There are definitely days when I think about Keppra or other drugs for T, but lately I've also had so many days where my entire thought process about T is "yup, it's there, I can hear it over everything, don't give a fuck" that I'm a little leary of consuming drugs that I know are going to have profound and widespread effects to my entire personality.

I will admit that it's taken me a long fucking time to get to that point, and I'm not out of the woods yet by any means. When things are bad, they're really bad -- but not so bad that I don't still offer a small prayer of appreciation for having lived another day at the end of each of them...

 

[Codaz]

One morning, about 2 months before I developed tinnitus, I woke up with eye floaters. Educated myself on the matter via the Internet and made an appointment with an eye doctor in Berlin. Now, when it comes to eye floaters, eye doctors are as useless as ENTs are for tinnitus. I therefore got up in the middle of the consultation and left the doctor's office because I didn't want to listen to any more of her nonsense (which I told her). She recommended a vitrectomy! Booked myself an appointment with an eye doctor (in Holland) who specializes in eye floaters (and their removal using YAG lasers):

Oogartsen

Went to Holland and the specialist there diagnosed me with so-called micro-floaters. These are so small that they can't be seen with the naked eye - which means that the only reason why I notice them, is because they are right next to the retina. It is therefore considered a risky procedure to remove them with laser therapy. But, if I really wanted to have them removed, he would do it. The cost for a removal is EUR 1000,- (and it includes follow-up laser therapy, x 3, if I remember correctly).

And in the end, the results of laser are quite poor. Some laser shots cause intraocular pressure to rise, others only fragment the floaters. Others don't target them all. It's quite astonishing that for such an inhibiting thing as floaters there have not been more research initiatives.

 

[JonDAH]

Interesting thread - "Young Floaters vs Older Floaters".

Some interesting posts on that link lately.

 

[Foncky]

Isn't it normal to see moving lines and stuff when you close your eyes, even in the dark ? I have real big floaters that bother me during the day, but this "visual snow", I don't really care and thought everyone had this.

 

[Codaz]

Some interesting posts on that link lately.

They discuss a lot the financial things. If you have health insurance this all is insurance work. Only own risk (385 euro in Netherlands) the rest is insured. In the USA people have to pay large sums of money to go to a surgeon.

What we need to talk about is if it works, what the side effects are, is it again needed in 10 or 20 years, what are the causes of these things to happen, why can't they be cleared with pharmacological intervention, why is there no such thing as research on a field where your vision is so obstructed?

 

[volsung37]

I had floaters as a teenager. They really annoyed me for several years. Then in my twenties I ceased to notice them. They didñ't cross my mind until youtube suggested a video on laser treatment of floaters. For some reason I watched this 8 minute video. The minute the video ended I noticed a big floater sink down through my line of sight....and that was it. I now see big floaters in both eyes after 30 years of clear sight. That said I would take serious floaters in a heartbeat over the tinnitus I have now. At least floaters don't keep me awake at night.

 

[MrBonk]

I've had floaters for as long as I can remember. I seem to have noticed them more since I got T for whatever reason though.