ForgTin to Forget Tinnitus: Reviews / Experiences? Does It Work?

[Toby1972]

Should I buy ForgTin "just for fun"? It doesn't hurt so much in terms of money (finally my BioNTech stocks are getting the boom they deserve), and I'll probably send the device back within 14 days.

I could wear it relatively easily, I'm still in a single office for a few weeks and the optics wouldn't be too much of a problem. Most people think I have a Bluetooth hands-free device on my ear.

After 14 days I can tell you that it doesn't help and that you don't have to waste any more time thinking about it.

You know I'm a confidential source

 

[Toby1972]

I just bought ForgTin from German eBay.

So I will report to you about it soon.

 

[Christiaan]

I just bought ForgTin from German eBay.

So I will report to you about it soon.

@Toby1972, good luck with ForgTin! Even though I am sceptic about this ''device'', I do hope that it does something for you.

 

[morgothaod]

Don't forget to report back Toby1972!

 

[Toby1972]

I got ForgTin today.

I'm now more than sure it won't do anything.

What the inventor says is more than adventurous:

"ForgTin was designed in such a way that it exerts minimal pressure in three places on the ear, thus changing the frequencies heard. As a result, the subjectively perceived sound slowly becomes quieter, with some the tinnitus disappearing after two weeks. "The synaptic node in the brain that is associated with tinnitus is no longer addressed by the changed frequency, it recedes and the brain forgets about the tinnitus," explains Grübl."​

 

[Lukee]

I got ForgTin today.

I'm now more than sure it won't do anything.

What the inventor says is more than adventurous:

"ForgTin was designed in such a way that it exerts minimal pressure in three places on the ear, thus changing the frequencies heard. As a result, the subjectively perceived sound slowly becomes quieter, with some the tinnitus disappearing after two weeks. "The synaptic node in the brain that is associated with tinnitus is no longer addressed by the changed frequency, it recedes and the brain forgets about the tinnitus," explains Grübl."​

Hey, just try it out. Good to be skeptical but stranger shit has happened.

 

[kingsfan]

Not me putting carabiner clips on my ears...

 

[morgothaod]

Update?

 

[Uklawyer]

Yes - any update on this @Toby1972?

 

[Quiet please]

I see ForgTin can be worn with glasses; but wonder if my ear could hold a triple threat? Glasses, hearing aid & this device.

AND I may also have to wear a loop over the ear mask in certain situations!

I feel a headache coming on!

 

[JimR]

As someone who has had very good results from acupressure, though admittedly on my calves, I don't think this will work. The site is available in English and is quite open about what it will (or will not) do. The device wraps around the ear and applies pressure to the muscles around the ear. Not sure it's a scam, but I doubt it'll fix my tinnitus.

 

[Toby1972]

I spent money (€365 EUR) to test ForgTin for all of us.

I got the thing, photo as evidence. It was a long-term test over 3 months. I gave it a chance, I wasn't biased (but honestly I thought this was a scam to begin with).

It brings 0 help. Nada. Zero. Less than nothing.

So among those who want to pull money out of the pockets of the severely affected with offensive advertising and supposedly great results, their offer is already one of the boldest.

Always at your service,
Toby

 

[Klaus Gruebl]

Dear @Toby1972,

by chance I came across your entry around the ForgTin.

After your first postings about it (which you had already celebrated extensively in advance), our entire team was more than curious to see what would come out of your courageous self-experiment.

Posting 20.05.2021: "After 14 days I can tell you that it doesn't help and that you don't have to waste any more time thinking about it."

Posting 26.05.2021: "I'm now more than sure it won't do anything."

Posting 08.09.2021: "I gave it a chance, I wasn't biased (but honestly I thought this was a scam to begin with)."


- You wrote that you bought the ForgTin used and still paid full price for it? That sounds like a really good deal.

- If you had bought it directly from our store, you would have received additional important information about the correct way to wear it, how to set the correct pressure of the individual softtouch silicone elements, instructions about the use of the APP including the initial login code, and the opportunity - directly with me the inventor - to have an initial conversation via video call about the correct use.

- The customers who are not quite sure about the mode of operation, usually use the possibilities of obtaining information directly from the producer. Via Tinnitus WebTalks under https://forgtin.com/beratung/ on our homepage, telephone calls +43 7722 22900, Mailconversation office@pansatori.com etc. This became already possible in our modern time.

- Regular customers receive all this automatically, most of them use all services, and quite a lot of them experience a strong reduction of their tinnitus incl. a strong reduction of neck tension problems, a strong reduction of jaw tension problems and a strong reduction of stress reduction.

In addition, we can provide clients who use the APP with additional tips for additional support during treatment. This is also used with pleasure. But as I said, only by those who want it.

The picture of your ForgTin shows a completely bent ForgTin in several places (you may have bought it second-hand), and also a silicone part that has not been adjusted correctly. – I would say – Your ForgTin is in a really bad shape and therefore certainly functionless.

In addition, the question arises whether this ForgTin is at all suitable for your ear size.
Have you measured your ear circumference?

- To use this picture as proof shows a lot of ignorance about the ForgTin) and then to call the ForgTin a scam - is more than brazen.

Also, buy used glasses with unknown diopter number to rant about it not working for you afterwards.

If you had contacted us, your tinnitus would probably already be considerably quieter.

Nevertheless, we will be very happy to assist you in acquiring an intact ForgTin with all our strength.

Please make a short classification in advance whether you belong to the group of somatic tinnitus patients.

You can find this on our website under "Tinnitus Checker".

Sincerely,
Klaus Grübl - the inventor you could have asked before

 

[Hamsti]

I was hoping it would work because the university of Regensburg did some research about the device.



Sad.

 

[Toby1972]

Dear @Klaus Gruebl,

I also have eBay stocks, so I like to buy equipment there for more than the normal price.

The main thing was that the horrendous price, which cannot be justified at all (€365 EUR for such a small piece of metal and silicon - yes, yes, of course, development costs and such), did not go to your company.

Yes, I have somatic tinnitus, I can influence the volume of my tinnitus by moving my jaw and I have massive neck problems.

In the latest video, they say that the study is going so well. At one point they cite that only 1.26% of patients have no improvement in tinnitus. That's proof that the study is worthless. In the course of time, most tinnitus patients improve or get used to it, or it is a purely psychological effect that, in the end, the study provider who wants to help you is given better grades as a reward for the charity. There is no placebo group in the study, there can't be a placebo group here, you can't help that, but that makes the study useless.

So why don't you hear from the regular customers who really suffered from tinnitus and got better? If I got better I would be the first to announce, hey community, there is legitimate hope for a large number of us.

Really Mr. Gruebl, if you have proven to help people with ForgTin, then I think you and your invention are great and I find you honorable.

Only the doubts are very great. I'll let this subject rest, I consider it finished for me.

PS: My eBay seller had now also written in a later message that ForgTin did not work for him either.

 

[George Brunner]

I have really shitty loud tinnitus that brings me to the edge of desperation, I haven't slept for more than 3 hours straight in the last 8 months.

I also tried the ForgTin. Unfortunately, it didn't do me any good. I don't understand how supposedly good study results have come about it.

In my tinnitus self-help group, I gave the ForgTin to someone else, and it didn't work for the lady either.

In the meantime, I am ashamed to have spent 365 euros on such a windy bar, the cause of tinnitus certainly has deeper reasons... sadly.

 

[Darktale]

From the website :

https://forgtin.com/history/?lang=en

« Dear prospect customer, as you were able to read, a new two-armed, randomised, clinical study on our ForgTin® (The study number will be released soon on clinicaltrials.gov. The study was submitted to the ethics committee of the Faculty of Medicine Kepler-Universitätsklinikum Linz, with the EK No. 1229/2020.) in October 2020. The end of the study is planned for August 2021.«

 

[SaraK18]

Just thought I would chime in with another perspective. Like Western medicine, acupuncture/acupressure give very mixed results for tinnitus. It's considered one of the most difficult things to treat in both Eastern and Western medicine.
I don't know anything about this product, but if it is using principles of acupressure then it would make sense that some people might have great results while others don't. Just because it didn't work for one person does not mean that it would not work for another.

I've seen a lot of posts on here with a similar sentiment, and I think it can be dangerous. Just because something didn't work for you doesn't mean that it "doesn't work". It might mean that, but it might not.

 

[Toby1972]

Sorry, I'm still very skeptical. The problem is that there is no placebo comparison group.

I claim:

No matter what treatment you try, as a patient, at the end of the study you always report better scores than at the beginning. You also have a debt to the study provider, they want to help you, etc.

So barely noticeable pressure points on the ear should alleviate tinnitus? For real? If it really helps a few people, then I would like to congratulate Mr. Gruebl.

I do not agree with the horrific price of €365 for the estimated material costs of say €7.33. That can't be justified with development, customer service etc. Sorry, nope.

 

[UHPTS]

Dear Mr. Klaus Gruebl,

I'm willing to test your 600 euro gadget if you send it to me for free. If I get any noticeable improvement in my tinnitus I will pay you 100.000 euros and promote your invention everywhere I go. It's no scam, I really will!

Do you accept my terms?

 

[linearb]

@Klaus Gruebl, showing up in person to hock your scamware nonsense is the only brazen thing I see in this thread. And, yes, selling something as a "treatment" while you are "still conducting clinical trials" is the height of scammery. Trials that aren't RCT are a hallmark of scammery. Studies published not in major journals or in scam journals or with no citations are a hallmark of scammery. Congratulations for checking most of the boxes on my ScamWare Bingo card.

Come back in four years when you're through Phase-III clinical trials that would let you legally sell your thing as a medical device in the US. Oh, right, you can't because lol.

This community is generally pretty incredulous of scams. Please, go away.

 

[UHPTS]

Dear @Toby1972,
- You wrote that you bought the ForgTin used and still paid full price for it? That sounds like a really good deal.

I love your openness and sense of humor. You nailed it!

.. and a strong reduction of stress reduction.

Absolutelly mindblowing!

Either you are the best scammer that this planet ever produced or you really believe in your little overpriced metal-plastic thingy. Can't decide.

Well let's see what will be the reason for not publishing results of the study.

 

[linearb]

Either you are the best scammer that this planet ever produced or you really believe in your little overpriced metal-plastic thingy. Can't decide.

History is full of snake oil salesmen who were True Believers of their snake oil. This might impact the morality of the situation slightly but it doesn't change the reality that a metal bracelet doesn't fix your ears.

 

[linearb]

Also if you wanna spend $300-400 on a bracelet, Samsung has a nice line of new smartwatches out for Android. They, also, will not fix your ears but they have a compass to help you not get lost!

This device appears to lack a compass. Design flaw!!

 

[SaraK18]

Sorry, I'm still very skeptical. The problem is that there is no placebo comparison group.

I claim:

No matter what treatment you try, as a patient, at the end of the study you always report better scores than at the beginning. You also have a debt to the study provider, they want to help you, etc.

So barely noticeable pressure points on the ear should alleviate tinnitus? For real? If it really helps a few people, then I would like to congratulate Mr. Gruebl.

I do not agree with the horrific price of €365 for the estimated material costs of say €7.33. That can't be justified with development, customer service etc. Sorry, nope.

It's plausible that pressure points could help. Even with things like acupuncture and acupressure, the results are varied depending on the person. But I understand your skepticism, especially with so many different things to try, it's hard to know which to choose!

I personally have had things that were not clinically tested or widely known help other health ailments I have suffered from, so you never know what might do the trick!

 

[Toby1972]

So here is his documented statement about the "serious" study:



He claims only 1.26 percent of the participants had no improvement in the study with his ForgTin.

Magic, it should be advertised for the Nobel Prize!

 

[George Brunner]

I tried to find any reports or reviews about ForgTin. You can't really find meaningful opinions.

I came across the Trusted Shops reviews.

https://www.trustedshops.at/bewertung/info_X1DB5C7DAF6905E073F836448C30DE265.html

At first glance, that looks pretty good at 4.25 / 5.00.
I have some time at the moment because I am on sick leave because of my tinnitus, I can only manage to some extent with sound through headphones in front of the PC...

Evaluation period 12 months, there were 32 evaluations. That is an average of 0.09 reviews per day.

At the same time, exactly 24 days ago, 8 "verified" new suberb reviews came in.

I do not want to post my interpretation here, could you members do it? Otherwise I will get a reprimand from the owner Klaus G.

Do you tell me:
On average 0.09 reviews per day ---
24 days ago it was 8.00 reviews per day.

Is this a coincidence?

 

[LivingGhost371]

As tempted as I am to dismiss the concept of this as a bunch of baloney, I have occasionally had a lower tone in my left ear, perhaps 2 kHz or so. I can consistently make it go away by pressing my tragus into my eardrum.

 

[George Brunner]

Hello Tinnitus Talk community,

The company founder Klaus Gruebl reacted to the first bad Google reviews and apparently even now sends family members to rate his product positively. Oh man, that looks like panic if not even the name of Marlena Marie Grübl is veiled.

Klaus, are you running out of arguments?

Dear community, can we gather our energy and also write appropriate fair Google reviews against his scam / fake product?

Thank you!

EDIT:

Marlena is their Social Media Manager!

 

[Hamsti]

The University of Regensburg recently published a study about ForgTin, with quite positive results. I'm very sceptical about ForgTin myself, but I didn't want to deprive you of that.