Frequency Therapeutics — Hearing Loss Regeneration

Also looks like Dr. Chen is on the board of something called "Rescue Hearing Inc." Which I can't figure out. Is it a biotech? Private equity investing in biotech? Their website is pop up/virus hell btw. At least on mobile.

Edit: looks like there is already a thread on this company. Not much since 2017 but with Dr. Chen's results maybe we can expect more soon.

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/rescue-hearing-inc.22828/
 
This paper is actually pretty amazing. It seems like this "one two punch" method could regenerate OHCs and IHCs and even some if the supporting structures. I will try to write Dr. Chen this week and ask him more...
I'm going to see if there are natural substances that can activate these 2 pathways. The targets are MYC and Notch1. Curcumin inhibits Notch1 but other stuff stops it from causing proliferation. Maybe co activating MYC with some other substance is the key.
 
I'm going to see if there are natural substances that can activate these 2 pathways. The targets are MYC and Notch1. Curcumin inhibits Notch1 but other stuff stops it from causing proliferation. Maybe co activating MYC with some other substance is the key.
If I understand it right, Dr. Chen's approach doesn't inhibit Notch at all but activates it instead simultaneously with another pathway. I will ask for clarification on that in my email, too.
 
If I understand it right, Dr. Chen's approach doesn't inhibit Notch at all but activates it instead simultaneously with another pathway. I will ask for clarification on that in my email, too.
Yes, I caught that too. Resveratrol activates Notch.

"Additionally, resveratrol is a potent activator of the Notch signaling pathway"
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0210607

MYC is an oncogene, that is a gene that when activated promotes cancer growth, so... I don't know about this one being an oral route.
 
Regarding Frequency, all that is new is the information in slides 79-80. We already knew informally that there was some hearing recovery; we now have a sense of how much, though a lot remains unknown to us.

Since the treatment was CHIR and VPA without a gamma secretase inhibitor, we know this is a test of the idea that we can restart the process of inducing division in supporting cells and let nature take its course from there in differentiating some of them into hair cells.

In this experiment, it looks like thresholds improve by maybe a bit more than 10 dB for the treatment group compared to about 4 dB or so for controls (first graph on page 79). Except at the highest frequencies these differences are statistically significant. It is good that they have shown some improvement, but 6-7 dB improvement over control is by no means earthshaking. It's a bit concerning that the treatment effect was smaller at high frequencies (given we typically have high frequency losses that are greater than low frequencies losses), but this looks like a function of some weird results for the controls. Unfortunately the pattern of damage was different between treatments and controls at 24 hours and the controls showed a somewhat weird pattern of recovery. All of this is likely due to small sample sizes, and it would have been nice to know the sample sizes.

I'm guessing here, but it looks like the second graph on slide 79 shows the distributions of effects for the treatment and control groups at 20 kHz - i.e., I think the heights of the blue bars add up to 100 and the heights of the grey bars add up to 100. This tells us more than the simple average effects. Assuming I am correct, we see that almost half of the treatment group sees a 10 dB improvement in threshold and over 10% see at least a 25 dB improvement. 15% or so of the controls see a 15 dB improvement (this is why there is a control group), but most see a 0 or 5 dB improvement.

More concerning is slide 80. Almost all of the restoration is coming from IHCs - even after treatment, 80% of the OHC are gone. There will need to be a significant restoration of outer hair cells to make large changes in thresholds. It would be interesting to see the distribution of increases in OHC due to treatment and see if that correlates at 20 kHz with the improvement in thresholds. I would think the animals with 30 dB improvement in thresholds at 20 kHz had the largest increases in OHC in the portion of the cochlea associated with 20 kHz.

There's a lot we don't know. First, we don't know whether these experiments were done in adult or newborn animals though I am assuming adults. Second, we don't know what other experiments have been done. I would be surprised if they showed all of their best results in a conference presentation before publication, but we don't know that. We also don't know what was said during the presentation. Will might have provided additional useful context. Third, we don't know what is going on with the OHC. Is there just more damage there? Is this treatment less effective for OHC? (Gene therapy is frequently less effective for OHC than IHC. Those papers pay lots of attention to the ability of the viral vectors to 'infect' OHCs.) If so, do they have a solution? Fourth, we don't know if there continues to be recovery after 5 weeks - either in terms of whether it gets even better or if what recovery there is goes away (though Weber suggests at least 90 day durability in animal studies). And, to answer before anyone asks, there's nothing here that tells us whether repeated applications might be more beneficial. This last point may matter in a different way than people here typically ask about because one difference between a lab culture and a clinical treatment is the amount of time the tissue is exposed to the drug. In the lab experiments described in slides 73-76, the tissue is cultured for 3 days. In that case you see large increases in both IHC and OHC. Weber does contrast Frequency's approach (a single quick procedure) with Audion's trial (3 injections) suggesting that Frequency is still planning on a single administration. Lastly, of course, aside from the rodents/humans differences, we don't know what the results might look like in animals whose hearing has been damaged in the ways ours has - over the course of a lifetime with various kinds of noise/medicine exposure rather than 2 hours of 120 dB noise with a quick administration of the treatment presumably immediately following the noise.

So not surprising though perhaps a bit disappointing. The challenge as always is the inaccessibility of the cochlea. But we won't know more until we see the next paper.
Does anyone remember what presentation this is coming from where IHC grow along with OHC for FX-322?
 
I wrote to Jeff Karp trying to get clarification on whether FX-322 regrows inner hair cells or outer and he sent me a form email about ClinicalTrials.gov. Anyone have any idea where and from who can I get this information? I was sure it was the outer hair cells but going through this thread, it sounds like someone thought it was inner.
 
mTOR pathway implications... just another reason to get swole, folks.
Then get swole and help me research these signalling pathways. I'm the only loser on this website even researching this. It's depressing not having anyone even trying to discuss these things with me, fml.
 
I wrote back asking again and he told me to look at their publications page for updates. It was vague but I doubt he could say more since it's a publically traded company.

I did find this there:

https://www.cell.com/cell-reports/fulltext/S2211-1247(17)30136-5

Does this suggest OHCs are more affected to anyone or both? I think I need to re-read it a few times.
 
Then get swole and help me research these signalling pathways. I'm the only loser on this website even researching this. It's depressing not having anyone even trying to discuss these things with me, fml.
Alright but I'm kind of a r*tard because of the tinnitus. Scrambles my brain reading scholarly material—if not my chief concern, then secondary.
 
Getting swole will help with ringing?
mTOR is a major pathway by which hypertrophy is achieved. Acute responses to resistance training not only increase androgen receptor activity but stimulate the mTOR pathway, which drives protein synthesis. I don't know much else about it though, unfortunately. I'll do some reading now that I'm through the semester, though I don't know how much help it would be.
 
Sorry. No idea what that means or what my brain was doing with that sentence. Does it seem like to anyone that OHCs are preferentially generated over IHCs or are both generated?
I need to research that. Excellent question.
 
Does it seem like to anyone that OHCs are preferentially generated over IHCs or are both generated?
I've never seen anything to suggest that they aren't both generated. For what it's worth. They both have supporting cells.

From the paper you linked to: "Our differentiation conditions thus generated inner and outer cochlear hair cell types"
 
I've never seen anything to suggest that they aren't both generated. For what it's worth. They both have supporting cells.

From the paper you linked to: "Our differentiation conditions thus generated inner and outer cochlear hair cell types"
It definitely does both but not equally and I was trying to ascertain percentages but my brain can't type a coherent sentence tonight for some reason.
 
It definitely does both but not equally and I was trying to ascertain percentages but my brain can't type a coherent sentence tonight for some reason.
"and there were no significant changes in the numbers of inner hair cells in the treated group"
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3573859/

Bear in mind this was from the LY411575 drug which I am to understand is not what FX-322 uses. Also, it doesn't look like there was a significant loss of IHCs to begin with.
 
"and there were no significant changes in the numbers of inner hair cells in the treated group"
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3573859/

Bear in mind this was from the LY411575 drug which I am to understand is not what FX-322 uses. Also, it doesn't look like there was a significant loss of IHCs to begin with.

Thanks for finding that.

Acoustic trauma does not affect IHCs nearly as much (but does some). In fact, the only things that seem to preferentially damage IHC over OHC (that i could find) are Cisplatin and Macrolides (what poisoned me) ototoxicity. Even other antibiotics don't seem to do this. It probably partially explains why my hearing is so messed up and bizarre.

From this, I suspect this means REGAIN would not work well for those with certain ototoxicity or severe enough threshold changes where IHCs are affected, too. I'm still not sure about FX-322.

From Dr. Chen's paper, it looks like his method regenerates both. Hopefully will be tested in people soon.

Edit: forgot to mention, I also emailed Pipeline. Their drug does not affect IHCs at all.
 
The weird thing is the data for Frequency and IHC vs OHC is in that paper, I just can't decode it. Normally, I don't think I fail quite that bad with research papers but I can't figure it out and my friend who is a PhD in biomedical engineering and a former researcher (for Spina Bifida so unrelated, but still...) couldn't figure it out either.
 
I had a weird thought... what if Frequency actually helps IHCs more and that's part of why the ones with more severe loss recovered more word scores in phase 1. For most causes, only the severely affected get an appreciable amount of IHC loss.
 
what if Frequency actually helps IHCs more and that's part of why the ones with more severe loss recovered more word scores in phase 1.
But from what I understand, it is the outer hair cells that improve clarity of sound in noisy environments.
 
One thing I am sure of is, though, is that most clinical ENTs and Otologists (and Audiologists) are so behind on recent advances in hearing/cochlear physiology that if a bunch of these drugs all came out they won't know what to prescribe to who.
 
One thing I am sure of is, though, is that most clinical ENTs and Otologists (and Audiologists) are so behind on recent advances in hearing/cochlear physiology that if a bunch of these drugs all came out they won't know what to prescribe to who.
Yeeea this cuts pretty deep. Would "prescribing" this therapy just result in referral to Frequency Therapeutics to apply the method themselves, or do you think they'll disseminate the products to ENT practices for them to administer? Little worried about the technical know-how of everyone in this field and would much rather pay more to better ensure proper delivery. I really don't understand how our healthcare system works (U.S.).

Edit: I imagine this decision is made after it passes all FDA stage criteria before deciding how the product is to be used.
 
Thanks for finding that.

Acoustic trauma does not affect IHCs nearly as much (but does some). In fact, the only things that seem to preferentially damage IHC over OHC (that i could find) are Cisplatin and Macrolides (what poisoned me) ototoxicity. Even other antibiotics don't seem to do this. It probably partially explains why my hearing is so messed up and bizarre.

From this, I suspect this means REGAIN would not work well for those with certain ototoxicity or severe enough threshold changes where IHCs are affected, too. I'm still not sure about FX-322.

From Dr. Chen's paper, it looks like his method regenerates both. Hopefully will be tested in people soon.

Edit: forgot to mention, I also emailed Pipeline. Their drug does not affect IHCs at all.
Is Dr. Chen's treatment administered via oral or intratympanic route?
 
I had a weird thought... what if Frequency actually helps IHCs more and that's part of why the ones with more severe loss recovered more word scores in phase 1. For most causes, only the severely affected get an appreciable amount of IHC loss.
Will McLean said on Reddit that a significant loss of OHCs means you need hearing aids, but a significant loss of IHCs means you need a cochlear implant. The participants in their trial were in hearing aid territory at the worst.
 

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