Just out of curiosity:
Could you give an example? I would like to understand why this could be the case. If it is not too complex for the lay person.
I was actually talking to this man,Kevin Barry is his name and he runs a Chi-Kung class up in Dublin.
I wonder if I contacted them would they allow me to do that test?Might give us some insight as to what's happening in H patients ears.
No clue. I just found the post on Hyperacusis Research facebook feed. The researchers in the article, Bernstein and Trahiotis are at UConn School of Medicine, so it shouldn't be that hard to find them I think.
Liberman is also going to enroll patients next summer to test his device which will detect and diagnose synaptopathy.
No I wouldn't do that, I only went to one gig without earplugs and got completely screwed. Did he ever talk about if he believed Chi-Kung (Qi Gong) literally healed his inner ear? Did he ever talk about the biologic aspects of his condition? Or if his recovery was sudden or gradual? Qi Gong is quite infamous for making extraordinary health claims. It is not uncommon for a western Qi Gong practitioner to say that Qi Gong was the sole or main reason they recovered from some horrible illness, often ones that western science has no/little cure for.
85db is in regards to haircells in a healthy cochlea but this new discovery may throw all of our current guidelines out the window as they will now become redundant.Guys it might be a very silly question but I'll risk asking it
"The 84 dB level is also well within the federal guidelines for an 8 h/d exposure for a lifetime (http://www.osha.gov). Results show that normal mice exposed for 1 week to such a moderate-level noise with a spectrum targeting the most sensitive portion of the hearing range show no measureable permanent threshold shifts. However, confocal analysis of immunostained cochleas revealed a loss of up to 20% of the afferent synapses on IHCs in some cochlear regions"
Okay. So we know that 84dB for a week strait will do damage. However, does this come to us as a surprise at all?
We knew already that ~85dB is (probably not so) safe for less than 8 hours strait.
Do you think the results would be so "bad" if mice were exposed to a "week of 85dB noise" over some longer period of time (for example a month?). If the ears had time to "rest"? Oh God, this sound so silly. My background is in math/informatics so please forgive my complete ignorance and lack of appropriate terminology.
It was gradual according to him,slowly but surely it began to back off to where he's fully cured now.
This study shows that older subjects with normal audiograms (sensitivity to pure tones) can struggle to discriminate more complex sounds. Nothing too new here. The big issue is that it is impossible to determine whether their deficits were age-related decline in central brain processing or instead reflected a type of hidden damage in the ear. My interpretation is that this is probably a solid, descriptive behavioral study that got "trumped up" by the public relations office at the medical school.
Yes, I've read through this thread. There hasn't been a high-quality study with compelling results that I have seen. Some fairly worthless case studies, a smattering of animal work and a bunch of poorly conceived tDCS studies that aren't very interpretable. Perhaps there is a good study that I haven't seen? I'd be happy to comment on any particular study, if that would be helpful to you.
My own guess would be yes, if anything for some reason I think H would even be easier/more consistently successfully treated than T through DBS once the research was put into it. Just a guess though.
Yeah this "test" seems to only prove the existence of "hidden hearing loss" which is well established at this point. I didn't get the impression that there was any detailed diagnostic tools for it developed, or anything that would lead to any sort of treatment directly. I guess more awareness is good though.
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