Awww Bill, I'm touched! You have mastered the art of cut and pasting my friend. Living is sure fun, shame you will never know. All of those things you posted are clearly over the top. Yet your 7K posts of paranoia of noise, unfortunately resonates with those new and suffering and making them think walking down the street warrants hearing protection. Yep calling BS on you dude. How did you get tinnitus again? Toothbrush?? Hmmm..
I’m at a Rave
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- Feb 17, 2017
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- Feb 17, 2017
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- February, 2017
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- Acoustic Trauma
Well you do too, so clearly living life in the bubble ain't working out so well for you eh?
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Mostly talking about people with a mild beep, who continue to go to shows with protection. Despite that many people have told me the condition has improved a lot since onset.... to me that describes the majority of tinnitus, by some significant margin.
By all means continue to live in a bubble if that's what makes you happy, though! Most people aren't so lucky.
Note that I'm not talking about people who get a ring that lasts a day or two after a trauma, but people who have some constant sound. Between music, motorbikes, guns and other small engines I probably know 30 people with this kind of chronic tinnitus; only a couple of them seem bothered by it.
- Feb 17, 2017
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Are you sure? In any case, my policy is to never talk about the state of my ears here.
Why would be here if you didn't have tinnitus? Unless you're mental??
Find it interesting you are the 1st to post to anyone that will listen that every day noises will harm them but yet you don't discuss your tinnitus severity? And you just implied you might not have it all. So you freak people out with your crap and you don't even have the balls to be honest and tell people "the state of your ears."
You are a sad little man.
- Feb 17, 2017
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I am here to find out what causes people to get T and T spikes.
Initially, my T was bad - I could hear it over the noise of a car on a highway. Throughout the first month it was getting worse. Then, after one month, I began protecting my ears and I experienced a lot of fading. Three months in, I pressed a loud phone to my ear and that caused a huge setback - all of my progress was gone.
My state of mind back then can be gleaned from
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/thread...-make-you-wail-and-weep-uncontrollably.21797/
There had been other developments since that time. One of them was that my T spread to my formerly good ear (this happened when I was 9 months in). It is possible that it was the result of me not protecting that ear, but of course I will never know. In any case, my experiences resulted in me being enthusiastic about hearing protection.
I am sorry you feel this way. I have never been the first to stoop to personal attacks (especially when it comes to people I know very little about). This fact might shine some light onto who is a sad little man and who isn't.
As far as I am concerned Bill, you have always been consistant and in favour of ear protection when one's own experience is one of discomfort.
I personally go by that formula too.
I do not live in fear of noise, I rarely think about noise, but the plugs reside in my pocket and I put them in when discomfort occurs.
Just plain common savvy my friend.
Thank you.
This comment is just plain mean. Perhaps you should keep such thoughts to yourself in the future.
- Feb 17, 2017
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I haven't thought of it this way. What kind of a man kicks a person who he thinks is down?!
You've had tinnitus for 12 weeks. I would have said the same thing at 12 weeks, and did. I swore I'd never do anything remotely loud again.
And since I've played with a band in a tiny rehearsal room, DJ'd at parties, played guitar at a show, and been to two dozen concerts - including a weekend festival.
I had BAD hyperacusis, and tinnitus so bad I could hear it above my TV, air conditioner, washer, dryer, and dishwasher all running at the same time in my tiny NYC apartment.
Your opinion on this is almost certainly going to change.
edit - over 3 years my tinnitus has faded to the point where 75% of the time I can only hear it in a dead silent room. Before my strep throat infection that spread to my ear in Nov, this was my situation 95% of the time, and as time goes on, I think I'm headed back in that direction - even though I still enjoy life.
Nobody is arguing to not protect yourself. Earplugs, breaks, staying away from speakers. using monitors to ensure that the soundman keeps things below 100-105dbA
That IS the condom bro.
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You know, potentially. You're right. My T has stabilised and faded a bit already. I hope it continues to.
I do, however, think my paranoia will keep me from engaging in loud events like concerts, which truthfully sucks.
I do, however, think my paranoia will keep me from engaging in loud events like concerts, which truthfully sucks.
Here is one place we agree, Bill. I certainly was cautious in the beginning, and worked my way to a place I felt comfortable with volume wearing protection.
I still wear earplugs on the train, which is reasonably only 90 dB peak and usually around 80 - despite being willing to go to 105 dB concerts with 30 dB of protection for hours.
I still wear earplugs on the train, which is reasonably only 90 dB peak and usually around 80 - despite being willing to go to 105 dB concerts with 30 dB of protection for hours.
I assure you this is not the case. We have a lot of mutual friends and I reached out to him directly. He's fine. Sorry if that disappoints you.
Your point is also silly. None of us are allergic to sound. NOBODY should go to raves or concerts, or work on construction sites, or shoot guns, etc - without wearing earplugs.
advocating doing things you enjoy safely is not remotely the same thing as encouraging people to eat food they're allergic to.
- Feb 17, 2017
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Sounds sensible to me.
Sometimes it takes awhile before one becomes aware of the damage. Of course, at other times one takes a risk and it works out.
Some are more vulnerable than others. See
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/learn-from-others-mistakes.29437/
Depends on your definition of "safely". Those folks who hit themselves on the head also most likely thought that what they were doing was safe. They could probably even report not experiencing any problems afterwards.
Earplugs can provide a false sense of security. Sorry for repeating myself:
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/learn-from-others-mistakes.29437/
My recommendation is to avoid small clubs, since I think the sound waves bouncing around in a small space could cause more harm than, let's say, an outdoor concert. I support that one could go back to living life normally, but compromises have to be made. For a raver like you and me, I think it's:
1- Avoid small clubs
2- Avoid clubs that are particularly loud or with no quieter section to escape
3- Stick with outdoor festivals where you have endless options of places to stand and adjust the sound level that you're exposed to. Also I feel like the sound would dissipate into the air and create less pressure on you.
Honestly, the best rave experiences I've had were in outdoor festivals anyway, so I don't feel too bad about avoiding small clubs anymore.
1- Avoid small clubs
2- Avoid clubs that are particularly loud or with no quieter section to escape
3- Stick with outdoor festivals where you have endless options of places to stand and adjust the sound level that you're exposed to. Also I feel like the sound would dissipate into the air and create less pressure on you.
Honestly, the best rave experiences I've had were in outdoor festivals anyway, so I don't feel too bad about avoiding small clubs anymore.
You sound pretty convinced Neuromod will be a cure for us. Anything you can share with me to give me that level of conviction too?
- Feb 17, 2017
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Since "Dr Wilden's LLLT, T-Gone, Tinnex, ACRN, Salvitum and Auris Medical AM-101" have proven to not be cures, I think he was being sarcastic.
Personally, I think we might see a cure, because one person here was part of a trial of a device and had experienced a lot of improvement after decades of T.
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/mutebutton.124/page-81#post-416875
The fact that tinnitus can get so loud that some sufferers can't hear conversations due to their tinnitus being so loud is scary enough.
People of Tinnitus Talk: Examples of sufferers like this exist in peer-reviewed published literature and there are even cut-paste CBT examples for these severe cases. "Focus on the enjoyable food at the dinner, not the fact that you can't hear the conversation cause of your tinnitus". This is what severe tinnitus looks like in real life. Imagine 24/7 of that for life.
The fact that there is no cure for this and that mild tinnitus can even have a chance of progressing to that should motivate everyone here to be more cautious.
The more I read about recommended treatment algorithms <basically sound therapy, TRT, maskers, CBT> for tinnitus sufferers in the medical literature and the different type of patient sub-sets clinicians see, the more I realize this condition can become a permanent nightmare that steals everything from you.
People of Tinnitus Talk: Examples of sufferers like this exist in peer-reviewed published literature and there are even cut-paste CBT examples for these severe cases. "Focus on the enjoyable food at the dinner, not the fact that you can't hear the conversation cause of your tinnitus". This is what severe tinnitus looks like in real life. Imagine 24/7 of that for life.
The fact that there is no cure for this and that mild tinnitus can even have a chance of progressing to that should motivate everyone here to be more cautious.
The more I read about recommended treatment algorithms <basically sound therapy, TRT, maskers, CBT> for tinnitus sufferers in the medical literature and the different type of patient sub-sets clinicians see, the more I realize this condition can become a permanent nightmare that steals everything from you.
So you believe that in those crucial 1-2 years from onset if you protect your ears there is a huge chance the tinnitus can go away completely?
I agree that a rave after tinnitus onset is a bad idea. Spikes definitely and any fading probably went out the window.
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- Loud noise, I guess. Was previously mild, now worse. :(
Hey @Djstarkiss I'll ask you since you're involved in producing shows... who determines how loud an event will be? I've been wondering for awhile, why venues insist on having music dangerously loud? I know in the U.S. that it's actually against the law to go beyond 90-95 db, but it's about enforcement, there is none. I've never been to a rave, I guess you wouldn't have a separate sound engineer like they have at other concerts, if you know anything about those arrangements, I'd love to know. I understand that volume plays a role in how exciting the experience can be, but it's just ridiculous past a certain point. Thanks.
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Damn right. Stupid is as stupid does. Not my life, though. Go nuts, have tinnitus with a side of depression.
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Make that two of us, unless you think I'm some kind of hyperintelligent* slime mold, and not a person.
*hyperintelligent by slime mold standards, of course -- judged as a human, my intellect is middling
But will we really see a cure? I spoke to an expert ENT who said once the tinnitus is activated in the brain, even if you reduce it or get to hear silence again — loud noise exposures WILL bring it back. Tinnitus is forever sadly.
There's a sound guy.. that's suppose to monitor the DB levels from across the room and make sure they are safe. but the night i got my tinnitus it was hitting 110DB so they basically suck @ doing their jobs. You are correct they should enforce proper DB Levels but i doubt that's ever gonna happen. When i DJ now tho i require a DB meter on stage and i make sure the levels in the DJ booth are 2 my liking. The levels on the dance-floor tho are completely up to the sound guy. Since i've got my T ive been handing out thousands of ear plugs @ the shows i go 2 and i'm frequently posting about it and i've got several of my friends to invest in some nice ear plugs. You cant really trust the sound guys tho so just bring your own DB meter and Bring some nice ass ear plugs and have fun!
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