I Can't Do This Anymore

[Gl0w0ut]

My tinnitus is very high pitched and resistant to masking. It's been 7 months now. I admit I haven't done any lifestyle changes like changing my sugary diet or exercise, but what's the point? I've seen no evidence it makes a difference. I just want to be dead. For some reason I can't bring myself to the edge yet. I seem to be too lazy to learn how to tie a noose so as soon as I get benzos it's lights out.

Getting this damn condition was bad enough but I just had to get bathe worst kind: depression inducing, insomnia imducing, and suicide inducing. Farewell cruel world. Sad that if all the atoms and nucleotides that could have formed me, tinnitus had to be apart of it.

 

[Red]

Why not wait a year or two and see if you feel any better? This is the only life we have.
No heaven will be waiting for us.

 

[fishbone]

Large amounts of sodium and sugar DOES make a difference, in how your body functions. Those very same functions CAN trigger and annoy your tinnitus as well. Making lifestyle changes may not stop the ringing, but they can make you feel healthier...

 

[glynis]

@G10wOut,
Never give up hope.
My tinnitus is sever in both ears due to Menieres causing hearing loss and will never stop.
I have been to the black hole of depression but with help you can recover.
I wear hearing aids and it's made a big difference apart from night time but meds help me sleep.
Please try hearing aids or maskers and get support from your doctor etc.
Love glynis

 

[vermillion]

@Gl0w0ut,
It's a supreme struggle. I can't blame you for feeling this desire to die. I get this as well. Over-under we experience our auditory issues the same duration. Don't quit to seek help. We need more time.

 

[JurgenG]

Sorry to see how you are feeling, but try -everything- before even thinking about the last resort.. You have to, you have nothing to lose. I don't want to tell you how you can adapt since I don't have a severe T, but I can tell you that time DOES do a lot, but it might take longer than we would all want..

 

[Michael Leigh]

changing my sugary diet or exercise,

Changing your diet or exercising is unlikely to reduce your tinnitus. I wouldn't advise running on hard ground or on a treadmill as a form of exercise, as this can make tinnitus worse for some people.

Medication can help and this can be antidepressant or clonazepam. If you are able to get a referral to see a Hearing Therapist or Audiologist, that specialises in the treatment and management of tinnitus this can be helpful and comes in the form of counselling and other treatments associated with it. However, you have got to want this treatment to work for it to be effective.

Michael

 

[Makrohn]

Changing your diet or exercising is unlikely to reduce your tinnitus.

Maybe not directly, but there are several studies that suggest more than a link between what you eat and your mental health. A good mental health = better equipped to handle tinnitus. And I also believe if your T is worse because of stress/anxiety/bad diet, both exercise and a healthy diet could make some positive change.

 

[glynis]

Salt can cause fluid retention for some people and can spike tinnitus along with sugar and artifical colourings or food allergies.
Love glynis

 

[Michael Leigh]

Maybe not directly, but there are several studies that suggest more than a link between what you eat and your mental health. A good mental health = better equipped to handle tinnitus. And I also believe if your T is worse because of stress/anxiety/bad diet, both exercise and a healthy diet could make some positive change.

I disagree. Please go to my "started threads" and read my post: food, drink and tinnitus. I experimented with my diet when I first got tinnitus many years ago. Reducing red meat. Dairy products, alcohol and coffee, salt. All that happened I felt miserable. After 5 weeks of doing this there was no difference in my tinnitus.

Please read the post.
Michael

 

[Makrohn]

I have read all your posts @Michael Leigh and I like many of them, and read them from time to time.

But, then we have to agree to disagree about the food-part of dealing with T.
It might work for some, it might be placebo, but whatever makes the days better and so on.
I am sorry you did not find any relief in experimenting with diet.

Of course, If a certain diet makes you miserable, it probably is not for you. And I refuse to give up on some food even though it might spike my T from time to time.

 

[threefirefour]

I have read all your posts @Michael Leigh and I like many of them, and read them from time to time.

But, then we have to agree to disagree about the food-part of dealing with T.
It might work for some, it might be placebo, but whatever makes the days better and so on.
I am sorry you did not find any relief in experimenting with diet.

Of course, If a certain diet makes you miserable, it probably is not for you. And I refuse to give up on some food even though it might spike my T from time to time.

I think it depends on if you have always been eating bad to begin with. If yeah, then cutting down on it should help your tinnitus.

 

[Makrohn]

I agree with you on that @threefirefour, and I should have mentioned that point as well.

 

[Christophe_85]

My tinnitus is very high pitched and resistant to masking. It's been 7 months now. I admit I haven't done any lifestyle changes like changing my sugary diet or exercise, but what's the point? I've seen no evidence it makes a difference. I just want to be dead. For some reason I can't bring myself to the edge yet. I seem to be too lazy to learn how to tie a noose so as soon as I get benzos it's lights out.

Getting this damn condition was bad enough but I just had to get bathe worst kind: depression inducing, insomnia imducing, and suicide inducing. Farewell cruel world. Sad that if all the atoms and nucleotides that could have formed me, tinnitus had to be apart of it.

Dear T friend,

I remember last time you posted a thread like this, you were feeling very bad...

But you didn't let it go, because you are still here !

I know it can be very difficult to live with this...

What small things in life give you pleasure ?

Take care !

Christophe

 

[Red]

I disagree. Please go to my "started threads" and read my post: food, drink and tinnitus. I experimented with my diet when I first got tinnitus many years ago. Reducing red meat. Dairy products, alcohol and coffee, salt. All that happened I felt miserable. After 5 weeks of doing this there was no difference in my tinnitus.

Please read the post.
Michael

What does not work for you, may work for someone else. Just like how you mentioned jogging and computers can hurt T but will not for everyone.

If we can agree that T is very 'your mileage may vary' then I think we can agree that it might be worth exploring these avenues.

The above poster noted that for some a better diet could help with anxiety which could help with T, even if not directly.

 

[linearb]

My tinnitus is very high pitched and resistant to masking. It's been 7 months now. I admit I haven't done any lifestyle changes like changing my sugary diet or exercise, but what's the point? I've seen no evidence it makes a difference.

"I've basically ignored everything that's been suggested to me because it's easier to walk in circles and make the same complaints, and I don't like myself enough to actually try! Help!"

 

[Michael Leigh]

What does not work for you, may work for someone else. Just like how you mentioned jogging and computers can hurt T but will not for everyone.

If we can agree that T is very 'your mileage may vary' then I think we can agree that it might be worth exploring these avenues.

The above poster noted that for some a better diet could help with anxiety which could help with T, even if not directly.

It is true that what might work for one person might not work for another and vice versa. However, in @Gl0w0ut case or anyone else for that matter tinnitus, is much more complex to address than adjusting one's diet. When tinnitus causes distress, it is usually one or a combination of treatments that will help to make a person's life more tolerable and to cope. This is due to the emotional affect that the tinnitus puts on a person which can be quite intense. The way to treat it is as I've mentioned above: Medication, counselling and treatments such as: TRT, CBT, Mindfullness or neromodulation etc...

In my opinon, based on many years experience with tinnitus and counselling people with this condition. The treatments I've mentioned are the best ways to help a person cope with their tinnitus than modifying one's diet. I agree that a balanced stable diet will help to keep a person fit and healthly. However, if they hope to notice any significant reduction in their tinnitus using this method, then I think they will be disappointed and it will only cause more stress and anxiety on top of what they already have. I don't think this is healthy or wise thing to do. The answer is proper treatment and to achieve this one needs to seek the help of a Hearing Therapist or Audiologist whose trained in the treatment and management of tinnitus.

Michael

 

[Red]

It is true that what might work for one person might not work for another and vice versa. However, in @Gl0w0ut case or anyone else for that matter tinnitus, is much more complex to address than adjusting one's diet. When tinnitus causes distress, it is usually one or a combination of treatments that will help to make a person's life more tolerable and to cope. This is due to the emotional affect that the tinnitus puts on a person which can be quite intense. The way to treat his is as I've mentioned above: Medication, counselling and treatments such as: TRT, CBT, Mindfullness or neromoducation.

In my opinon, based on many years experience with tinnitus and counselling people with this condition. The treatments I've mentioned are the best ways to help a person cope with their tinnitus than modifying one's diet. I agree that a balanced stable diet will help to keep a person fit and healthly. However, if they hope to notice any significant reduction in their tinnitus using this method, then I think they will be disappointed and it will only cause more stress and anxiety on top of what they already have. I don't think this is healthy or wise thing to do. The answere is proper treatment and to achieve this one needs to seek the help of a Hearing Therapist or Audiologist whose trained in the treatment and management of tinnitus.

Michael

This is respectable advice but not always realistic. A lot of the stuff you mentioned is not covered by insurance in US and is hard for working class people, such as myself to obtain. Would absolutely love some therapy.

 

[threefirefour]

This is respectable advice but not always realistic. A lot of the stuff you mentioned is not covered by insurance in US and is hard for working class people, such as myself to obtain. Would absolutely love some therapy.

Shame TRT is still covered in some countries off of other people's dimes. Part of why I want to see a paper released about TRT is so other countries finally dump it. I hear the UK is planning it. Good for them.

 

[Michael Leigh]

This is respectable advice but not always realistic. A lot of the stuff you mentioned is not covered by insurance in US and is hard for working class people, such as myself to obtain. Would absolutely love some therapy.

I do understand where you are coming from but I must speak the truth as I see it and based my my experience with tinnitus. Again, I agree that a balanced healthy diet is essential in keeping a person fit and healthy. Unfortunately in the case of tinnitus one is unlikely to notice any significant lowering of the noise.

One of the most important things that a person can do to help themselves to cope better with tinnitus, is to aquire a positive mindset. There are many posts on my "started threads" that will help a person to achieve this. Even with treatments such as: counselling, TRT, CBT etc. If a person has a negative attitude and is not willing to help themselves
results are not likely to be good.

If you go to my "started threads" You will see a post titled: From darkness to light. It is about a memeber of this forum called Marcus. He was a very negative thinking person because his tinnitus was severe and felt he couldn't cope. I, and other forum members helped to counsel him. He has habitutated and living his life to the full. Please read the post.

Michael

 

[MBH]

Mr. Glowout most poster here share your idea, but you have to work on small things to keep you busy get into Yu-Gi-Oh on line gaming or anemi cards. It's a nice hobby. Or try doing fine motor skills project. You have to learn how to make the best of the day. I eat donut or something I like, I need to make myself happy. Food doesn't interfer with my t.but I don't go crazy with food either, Please do something that makes you happy each day.

 

[PaulBe]

All that happened I felt miserable. After 5 weeks of doing this there was no difference in my tinnitus.

Probably you would have to stick at it a year or more, by which time things could have changed regardless, so you couldn't know with certainty what did or didn't work. It just may be that for some of us there is no point in adding additional misery into the mix. I think though we do need to try these things, because our therapeutic options are ridiculously limited and we need to experience some sort of control, even if its simply experimenting. If you don't try you'll never know.

 

[Michael Leigh]

Probably you would have to stick at it a year or more, by which time things could have changed regardless, so you couldn't know with certainty what did or didn't work. It just may be that for some of us there is no point in adding additional misery into the mix. I think though we do need to try these things, because our therapeutic options are ridiculously limited and we need to experience some sort of control, even if its simply experimenting. If you don't try you'll never know.

HI @PaulB
My post: Food drink and tinnitus, gives a full account of my experience experiementing with my diet and it can be found on my "started threads" should anyone wish to read it. After 5 weeks I couldn't take it any more so went back to my normal eating and drinking. It resulted in me feeling a lot better and I didn't pay so much attention to the tinnitus. This is not to say that it won't work for someone but I advise them not to expect too much.

Michael

 

[fishbone]

IMichael[/QUOTE]

Michael, I have so so much respect for you and i want to clarify some things. All the stuff you mention is very helpful, for those that suffer with tinnitus. Even with the best medication/therapy..etc...IF someone's diet and lifestyle is just not too good, then then will not be mentally healthy to handle the tinnitus. High sodium, High sugar and poor dieting is a no no and should be corrected. What you mention is part of the puzzle, the dieting/lifestyle is ALSO the other aspect of the puzzle.

The therapies and counseling has to be tied into a proper diet, lifestyle and then it can be more beneficial

A good diet/lifestyle can lead to a healthier body/mind. A proper diet can also, lead to less stress/anxiety as well. Everything makes a difference and what you mention about counseling/therapies has saved me more than I can count.

 

[Red]

Shame TRT is still covered in some countries off of other people's dimes. Part of why I want to see a paper released about TRT is so other countries finally dump it. I hear the UK is planning it. Good for them.

Is this a political statement or do you just have a beef with TRT?

I did not mean specifically TRT.

 

[threefirefour]

Is this a political statement or do you just have a beef with TRT?

I did not mean specifically TRT.

Political.

And I know but it was in there. That's generally what people think of with tinnitus therapy.

 

[Michael Leigh]

Hi @fishbone

No problem and I respect your opinions too especially coming from someone with your considerable experience in tinnitus. Everything that you say is true and I agree wholeheartedly. Unless someone like @Gl0w0ut wasn't eating a well balanced diet before the onset of his tinnitus and hyperacusis. In my opinion, they are unlikely see a significant reduction in its severity. Eat a well balanced diet by all means, but if one's soul purpose in doing this to see a reduction in the tinnitus, stress and anxiety levels then I don't think that this is the correct avenue to pursue. I have been down this route and know people that have done this too only to be disappointed.

I believe that it is much better to talk with one's doctor about how the tinnitus makes them feel. Glowout is clearly depressed and this needs to be properly treated and I don't think a change of diet is the solution. In this instance, I believe he needs medication, counselling and if possible some of the treatments that I've described above, to help him have a more positive outlook on life and tinnitus.

All the best.
Michael

 

[glynis]

TRT at the moment in hospitals in the UK is down to where you live and what that Hospital can provide.
Speaking to a audiologist friend at that hospital it does not provide TRT due to the training to expensive and not provided but CBT is.
TRT therapy takes many months and to costly for the NHS along with training and its not down to if its effective or not but down to funding/cost/training audiology have to pay for themselves.
We have so many threads about this so please don't go off topic on this and im more than happy to reply by pm if needed.
Love glynis

 

[GregCA]

I disagree. Please go to my "started threads" and read my post: food, drink and tinnitus. I experimented with my diet when I first got tinnitus many years ago. Reducing red meat. Dairy products, alcohol and coffee, salt. All that happened I felt miserable. After 5 weeks of doing this there was no difference in my tinnitus.

Perhaps consider that a count of one is not enough to generalize to millions of people?
Scientific studies (and clinical trials) are generally designed to use enough subjects for the results to be considered to be "statistically significant".
This is the reason why anecdotal evidence as we see presented in forums needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

I have found the same (non) effects of diet on my T, so that makes two of us, but even then it hardly generalizes. Perhaps in my case the reason was that I already had a healthy diet to begin with, so there wasn't much of a change in it, but I found no difference when I experimented with various amounts of caffeine, alcohol, sugar, salt.

 

[glynis]

@G10wOut,
We are all here for you around the clock and all supportive and understand life can seem to tough to want to go on and I know it's the here and now that is so hard to cope with but our future is so unpredictable and you maght have a amazing life to come.
We are all here for you and just want you to do everything you possibly can to fight for the right to be happy in life with your health and mental health and thats all we ask before giving up.
Lots of love and hugs heading your way...
We do care.
Love glynis