I Invented a Sound That Knocked Out My Tinnitus

[Chriscom]

@R. David Case, I've been following this thread with curiosity and have a question after doing a test run last night for maybe an hour at a low volume just to get a feel for it. I'm wondering if the warble I have has, in your experience, been reduced or eliminated or whether it renders this approach useless.

In addition to high-frequency pure-tone tinnitus and other artifacts, I have a warble in my left ear, where most of my hearing loss is--moderate loss with low-frequency loss, mids are fair, then a shoulder loss on the highs. The warble only presents when exposed to sound, anything from people speaking to far-away sounds I ordinarily wouldn't notice . Crowd noises like the football game on TV can make a low-level woosh).

As a result, with my hearing aids out and the Koss headphones on, the sound I'm getting is very different in the left ear than the right. Some of that is because my right ear is actually pretty good hearing-wise, some is due to the warble. It's like listening to two different programs. And I get tons of wooshing and distortion on the bad side. That doesn't disturb me, just wondering if it's worth it for me to try this for real.

I did experience a slight, temporary increase in pure-tone tinnitus after that test, about par with after driving long distances this Thanksgiving. I kept the volume very comfortably low.

Honestly if I had to choose, I'd rather get rid of the warble since most of the time, for now, the pure-tone isn't disabling. That being said, the pure-tone is biased towards the left though it can appear all over the place.

 

[Bndsmheowqhe]

I've heard that one before from you.

I also remember a certain Whitesnake fan shitting all over this treatment a year ago because they were convinced Neuromod was going to be our salvation. I wonder how that worked out for them?

 

[pinklights98]

Tried again last night and spiked around 4am very badly. Had to turn off tinnitus mix and took an hour for the spike to go down. Was not even using headphones, just on speaker.

sigh

 

[GlennS]

I also remember a certain Whitesnake fan shitting all over this treatment a year ago because they were convinced Neuromod was going to be our salvation. I wonder how that worked out for them?

a) I never said I was convinced Neuromod was going to be our salvation and b) I'm still shitting over this treatment.

So thanks anyway, try again later.

 

[Mathew Gould]

Finished Night 6 - yesterday was a normal, medium-ringing (3/10) AM which built over the course of the day and ended at about a 6 or a 7 /10 by bedtime (standard for me). I slept a solid 8 hours listening to Tinnitus Mix with the Koss headset (which I find easier to sleep in than the Bose). Today has been a generally quiet morning, just a light hiss thus far - tinnitus hasn't been distracting at all in this 27 decibel room. I can't find any tonality in my tinnitus either, which is nice. These days are not particularly rare for me, let's see if it holds.

Hyperacusis has been extremely mild since starting this regimen. I'd say hyperacusis was a 5/10, and now down to a 1/10. I used to be extremely bothered by the iPhone speaker, certain voices, and garden-variety kid screams, but yesterday's Thanksgiving was a test of all of those situations, and it was a completely normal auditory experience.

I have had no spikes from Tinnitus Mix, either - to me this is very safe if kept on a low volume (make your own determinations, of course).

I'm still not sure if Tinnitus Mix is directly helping tinnitus in volume, tone or intensity, but I will continue listening to it at night. Let's see where it goes.

Plus, like lottery, you can't win if you don't play.

Do you need the Koss headset or can you just play it on a CD player at night without headphones?

 

[Bndsmheowqhe]

a) I never said I was convinced Neuromod was going to be our salvation and b) I'm still shitting over this treatment.

So thanks anyway, try again later.

Let's take it easy on the revisionist history. I vividly recall several heated debates that involved you aggressively defending their device.

 

[LostOutWest]

Do you need the Koss headset or can you just play it on a CD player at night without headphones?

You certainly could do that, however Mr. Case is quite adamant that the Koss KTX-PRO1 headphones are an elemental and requisite success factor in his tinnitus protocol. Some folks have said they listen via speaker. I know a lot of people are leery about headphone usage, and are thusly a non-starter.

 

[Mathew Gould]

You certainly could do that, however Mr. Case is quite adamant that the Koss KTX-PRO1 headphones are an elemental and requisite success factor in his tinnitus protocol. Some folks have said they listen via speaker. I know a lot of people are leery about headphone usage, and are thusly a non-starter.

I have to sleep on my side, due to my neck issues. I can't use headphones sleeping on my side.

I probably could use the headphones during the day

Also another funny thing is when I listen to music via headphones for about 30 secs after I'm done listening my tinnitus is very low.

 

[Barbara777]

This gives me unusually long effect of residual inhibition. It's been 20 minutes and my tinnitus is still much quieter than normal.

 

[LostOutWest]

@Mathew Gould I see your issue - the headphones do make it a challenge to side sleep. I would just add that I am able to position the earpiece part of the headset in between two pillows and it's pretty manageable to sleep on my side.

Same here with the residual inhibition from headphones.

 

[JohnAdams]

This gives me unusually long effect of residual inhibition. It's been 20 minutes and my tinnitus is still much quieter than normal.

Do it like Case said to, while sleeping, and commit.

 

[MRItechssuck]

What in the h*ll does anyone have to lose? I'm listening to this easily 20 hours a day. During the day (still off work) I have the headphones on... probably more of a masking level. At night I suck it up and turn it low to let the evil reeee ring... poke through.

I am personally refusing to constantly "test" the loudness by holding my ears, or listening for it... because I know it will be there and I don't need the downer. For me mornings are crazy loud and it settles down in an hour or two...

 

[cjbhab]

He said somewhere the Bose sound cancelling headphones will work... is that right? Because I own those... I could just buy these other ones too - they'd probably be more comfortable for sleep.

 

[R. David Case]

7th night of headphone use - I listen every day to the sounds for at least 6 hours but not necessarily while sleeping. Often it's been hard to sleep very well while listening. My hearing has improved since starting this. I couldn't hear over 10,400 Hz with my right ear since getting tinnitus. Now I can hear over 14,600 Hz with that ear. I tested with several sound generating sites. Now the right matches more closely with my left ear. I can't tell whether or not my tinnitus (which is high pitched) is quieter but I think I've been able to ignore it more often during the day.

Keep us informed on any more hearing improvements from Tinnitus Mix!

 

[R. David Case]

@R. David Case, I've been following this thread with curiosity and have a question after doing a test run last night for maybe an hour at a low volume just to get a feel for it. I'm wondering if the warble I have has, in your experience, been reduced or eliminated or whether it renders this approach useless.

In addition to high-frequency pure-tone tinnitus and other artifacts, I have a warble in my left ear, where most of my hearing loss is--moderate loss with low-frequency loss, mids are fair, then a shoulder loss on the highs. The warble only presents when exposed to sound, anything from people speaking to far-away sounds I ordinarily wouldn't notice . Crowd noises like the football game on TV can make a low-level woosh).

As a result, with my hearing aids out and the Koss headphones on, the sound I'm getting is very different in the left ear than the right. Some of that is because my right ear is actually pretty good hearing-wise, some is due to the warble. It's like listening to two different programs. And I get tons of wooshing and distortion on the bad side. That doesn't disturb me, just wondering if it's worth it for me to try this for real.

I did experience a slight, temporary increase in pure-tone tinnitus after that test, about par with after driving long distances this Thanksgiving. I kept the volume very comfortably low.

Honestly if I had to choose, I'd rather get rid of the warble since most of the time, for now, the pure-tone isn't disabling. That being said, the pure-tone is biased towards the left though it can appear all over the place.

Tinnitus Mix can stop many tones, clicks, and different sounds of tinnitus, not just high tones or low tones, it is not like notch therapy where you have to match the sound therapy tone to the tinnitus tone. And yes I would try this if I were you, it's free and there is nothing to lose and everything to gain.

 

[R. David Case]

This gives me unusually long effect of residual inhibition. It's been 20 minutes and my tinnitus is still much quieter than normal.

That's GREAT!! That is a sign this could knock it out completely or greatly reduce your tinnitus (99% gone). I have been tinnitus free for 18 years ONLY from using Tinnitus Mix. You should play all night every night on Koss KTX-PRO1 headphones for 3 weeks and then cut back to once or twice a week.

 

[R. David Case]

I have to sleep on my side, due to my neck issues. I can't use headphones sleeping on my side.

I probably could use the headphones during the day

Also another funny thing is when I listen to music via headphones for about 30 secs after I'm done listening my tinnitus is very low.

Cut a hole in a cheap foam pillow and the earpiece will fit in hole, you won't even know you have headphones on!!

 

[R. David Case]

Do you need the Koss headset or can you just play it on a CD player at night without headphones?

You MUST use the Koss KTX-PRO1 headphones in the beginning, once your tinnitus is knocked out after a few weeks you can play on speakers as maintenance 2 times a week.

 

[R. David Case]

Tried again last night and spiked around 4am very badly. Had to turn off tinnitus mix and took an hour for the spike to go down. Was not even using headphones, just on speaker.

sigh

You must use Tinnitus Mix on Koss KTX-PRO1 for the first few weeks or a spike could happen, please follow instructions. Read this!!

 

[R. David Case]

Night 12. Recently I've been sleeping longer hours while listening to Tinnitus Mix, giving it 8 hours or so. The sounds de-stress my mind. I'm trying to get to bed before 10pm and sleep/ listen for as long as I can. I'm not the best sleeper, so I'm taking things like passiflora, taurine or benadryl and alternating them. I feel more detached from the sound of my tinnitus though it is still there and not very much quieter than before.

Keep it up and don't skip a night or the tinnitus will try to reform, also KAVA KAVA is a natural sleep aid.

 

[R. David Case]

I've been using mine right before the Tinnitus Mix, like literally the second the laser is out of my ear the Tinnitus Mix is in. Have been working my way up to the full sessions with sporadic hour and fifteen minute bursts, which IS NOT WHAT CASE ADVOCATES. However, it is helping acutely, at least. Two out of three times so far I've had dramatically diminished tinnitus from an hour and fifteen minute session. My low whirring tone may have even been knocked out for a few moments but I wouldn't know because I'm trying my damnedest to keep myself and company entertained, if only for the utility of tinnitus distraction and residual healing. But that's what tinnitus does... pollutes the organic and simple into unrecognizably machinated, strategic decisions.

Work your way up to all night every night for faster results.

 

[GlennS]

Let's take it easy on the revisionist history. I vividly recall several heated debates that involved you aggressively defending their device.

If you keep baiting me on this it's just going to bore and annoy everyone. What I did was beat back mindless naysayers at a time when they didn't have anything other than their pessimism, cynicism, and paranoia to run with. I dislike blind evangelism just as much as blind negativity. Unlike most, I'm also able to shift my opinion as the facts emerge, which is why I am currently on the skeptical side of the Lenire argument. That too is subject to change but the data from the user reports is not yet impressing me.

 

[Bndsmheowqhe]

What I did was beat back mindless naysayers at a time when they didn't have anything other than their pessimism, cynicism, and paranoia to run with.

That's an awfully fancy way of saying you were wrong.

 

[all to gain]

@R. David Case

Can't find the headphones in the country I live so will have to get them shipped. Will take 2 weeks or so.

I was just going to play it direct from Windows Media Player and loop it seven times. Do I set the sound using the headphones or the media player? And I'm still unsure at what level I need to set the sound. Should it be barely audible?

What with people saying not to use headphones when you have tinnitus, I'm more than a bit wary of trying this.

 

[JohnAdams]

Night 15 down. I have used the equalizer to increase the highs. Also just got a booger on my phone, darn it.

 

[JohnAdams]

@R. David Case

What about this for people with moderate hearing loss?

 

[mrbrightside614]

Work your way up to all night every night for faster results.

Tried to listen to it overnight on the file provided by @ajc but for some reason the 5gb file is insisting that I don't have enough storage space, when I have 65gb free in the app, and 10gb on my phone left over. Frustrating.

FWIW, I tried the therapy WITHOUT using LLLT this morning for 2.5hours and when I took off the headphones my HF tinnitus had spiked. This is always easy to tell because the electric hiss suffocates my ability to hear the low frequency whirring. This brings up an interesting question: is my low frequency whirring that was present immediately after my accident evolving to form this HF hiss under certain provoked conditions? It seems like this HF hiss is a product of my low frequency whir; thus, if I were to knock out the low frequency whir, the HF hiss would have no ground to stand on. Just batting around a hypothesis. Unfortunately for me, the low frequency whir is ever-present, and is only ever not apparent when the electric hiss supersedes it. This mental chess match is fucking exhausting.

 

[GlennS]

That's an awfully fancy way of saying you were wrong.

I was wrong about my level of optimism, yes. But I reject your hypothesis that I ever tried to say Lenire would be a 100% guaranteed slam-dunk or that I swatted down anyone who expressed legitimate skepticism. And, last but not least, if you want to keep polluting this thread with this petty spat I'll start flagging your posts. Have a nice day.

 

[Bndsmheowqhe]

I was wrong about my level of optimism, yes. But I reject your hypothesis that I ever tried to say Lenire would be a 100% guaranteed slam-dunk or that I swatted down anyone who expressed legitimate skepticism. And, last but not least, if you want to keep polluting this thread with this petty spat I'll start flagging your posts. Have a nice day.

I pointed out that they had already released a failed version of the device several years earlier. That alone qualifies as a legitimate basis for skepticism and yet you fought me tooth and nail when it came to any criticism of the potential efficacy of the device. I also never claimed that it would be a complete failure or implied that anything less than a 100% success rate would be a disappointment. You were the one that kept inserting that straw-man into the discussion.

As for me polluting this thread you appear to be projecting again. The only counterproductive posts seem to be coming from you. R. David Case has been extremely honest, direct and responsive when it comes to offering this treatment. He has asked for nothing in return and all you've done is harass and abuse him for the past year while doing everything possible to discourage fellow Tinnitus suffers from using a cost free treatment that appears to be safe and effective.

 

[Mathew Gould]

Keep it up and don't skip a night or the tinnitus will try to reform, also KAVA KAVA is a natural sleep aid.

@R. David Case can you just play and wear the headphones during the day?? Also can you give me a sample of the sound? I will probably be able to tell right away if I will be able to do it because certain sounds almost mask my tinnitus while other sounds give me reactive tinnitus.