I Invented a Sound That Knocked Out My Tinnitus
- Thread starter R. David Case
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Member
- May 17, 2017
- 909
- Tinnitus Since
- 07/2016
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Ototoxic earwax drops, worsened by MDs (Muppet Doctors)
I just started wiring two 555 timer chips together randomly, the strange sounds it made knocked out my tinnitus.
- Jan 25, 2013
- 3,575
- Tinnitus Since
- 2008
- Cause of Tinnitus
- TMJ disorder, airplane barotrauma, noise exposure.
MRItechssuck
Member
Look... either try what Mr. Case has presented to the forum, or don't. What he has presented is no different than people saying they tried a "teaspoon of dog poo" and their tinnitus lowered.
Try it, don't try it... it is your decision. There is no charge for his advice or Tinnitus Mix, therefore in my opinion it isn't right to criticize his help.
He is not charging for his services, and no one is forced to try the Tinnitus Mix. However, to argue and berate the person is not right.
I have seen much less consternation about people pontificating about any number of helpful remedies...
It is a sound file... try it, or don't try it... but why argue about it?
Try it, don't try it... it is your decision. There is no charge for his advice or Tinnitus Mix, therefore in my opinion it isn't right to criticize his help.
He is not charging for his services, and no one is forced to try the Tinnitus Mix. However, to argue and berate the person is not right.
I have seen much less consternation about people pontificating about any number of helpful remedies...
It is a sound file... try it, or don't try it... but why argue about it?
If I see quackery, I call people on it. To whatever extent this thing works, it's a happy accident considering how Case seems to be.
bmguitar
Member
Just like any other treatment that people have benefited from (supplements, sound files etc), the success rate tends to be very low. There's a chance of improving, there's a chance of spiking, but most of the time they don't do anything.
But worth a try considering there's no real cure. That's the tinnitus journey
MRItechssuck
Member
Yet you calling out what you see as "quackery" helps no one, does it?
If someone were to even have a placebo effect, what is the point of destroying that?
- May 22, 2019
- 257
- Tinnitus Since
- 01/2019
- Cause of Tinnitus
- NIHL & TMJ
Well either the ringing stops or it doesn't. Are you saying you can trick your hair cells into regenerating?
ajc
Member
- Feb 6, 2018
- 1,170
- Tinnitus Since
- 11/2002; spike 2009; worse 2017-18
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Loud music - noise damage
Sometimes I just want to blow my head off reading your posts
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6440090
Masking devices, lidocaine, and analog oral forms of lidocaine have all been reported as being effective forms of therapy to relieve tinnitus. Many studies, however, have used single-blind protocols and were possibly biased by placebo effects. To investigate the contributions of a placebo effect in clinical tinnitus studies, 25 tinnitus patients who had received a placebo injection in a previous double-blind lidocaine study were contacted on the pretense that they would receive a test dose of lidocaine; the 20 who responded were included in this study. A 5 cc bolus of placebo saline solution instead of lidocaine was then administered to each patient. Forty percent of the patients reported a change in their tinnitus following the placebo injection. The results of this study serve to point out the inherent flaws in straight clinical trials, and that the success rates achieved in such uncontrolled clinical investigations may be biased by the placebo effects.
THERE ARE MANY SIMILAR STUDIES ON PLACEBO EFFECT AND TINNITUS.
What if saline injections have an effect on tinnitus?Sometimes I just want to blow my head off reading your posts
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6440090
Masking devices, lidocaine, and analog oral forms of lidocaine have all been reported as being effective forms of therapy to relieve tinnitus. Many studies, however, have used single-blind protocols and were possibly biased by placebo effects. To investigate the contributions of a placebo effect in clinical tinnitus studies, 25 tinnitus patients who had received a placebo injection in a previous double-blind lidocaine study were contacted on the pretense that they would receive a test dose of lidocaine; the 20 who responded were included in this study. A 5 cc bolus of placebo saline solution instead of lidocaine was then administered to each patient. Forty percent of the patients reported a change in their tinnitus following the placebo injection. The results of this study serve to point out the inherent flaws in straight clinical trials, and that the success rates achieved in such uncontrolled clinical investigations may be biased by the placebo effects.
THERE ARE MANY SIMILAR STUDIES ON PLACEBO EFFECT AND TINNITUS.
MRItechssuck
Member
Or niacin, or the magical turmeric?
There are many cases of mind over matter...placebo effects are well documented....
Harvard thinks so...lol
"Recent research on the placebo effect only confirms how powerful it can be — and that the benefits of a placebo treatment aren't just "all in your head." Measureable physiological changes can be observed in those taking a placebo, similar to those observed among people taking effective medications. In particular, blood pressure, heart rate, and blood test results have been shown to improve among subsets of research subjects who responded to a placebo."
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-placebo-effect-amazing-and-real-201511028544
Back with your usual pilgarlic behavior. By the way you were wrong in the Lenire thread but the mods kept pulling down my responses.
- May 22, 2019
- 257
- Tinnitus Since
- 01/2019
- Cause of Tinnitus
- NIHL & TMJ
You could use that analogy for almost any illness.
"Surely the symptoms stop or they don't. Are you saying you trick your x into healing".
- May 22, 2019
- 257
- Tinnitus Since
- 01/2019
- Cause of Tinnitus
- NIHL & TMJ
Well, heart rate and blood pressure make more sense because that is something that can be directly and immediately correlated with how calm you are. Tinnitus though just seems to me like more of a phantom limb syndrome type of situation. I refuse to believe that if you just relax and believe hard enough that your tinnitus will just go away or reduce.
- Dec 2, 2019
- 111
- Tinnitus Since
- 2006 but not a problem till 10/19
- Cause of Tinnitus
- loud music spiked with lyme disease
Placebo or not, at least I got to laugh my ass off at the absurdity of listening to Tinnitus Mix as I eventually drifted off to sleep. Only made it a few hours but at least I'm in a better mood today.
It might be that for many people, tinnitus does fluctuate on a day to day basis. So maybe upon receiving a treatment, people contribute the fluctuation to the treatment.
I have been contemplating my own tinnitus for a year and a half and I have never noticed my attitude affecting my tinnitus. It is always things like sleep, curcumin, noise exposure. Things that happen, not how I feel.
ajc
Member
- Feb 6, 2018
- 1,170
- Tinnitus Since
- 11/2002; spike 2009; worse 2017-18
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Loud music - noise damage
Could be
In this study placebo saline was more effective than the active drug dexamethasone...https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/236...innitus-prospective-placebo-controlled-study/
Ok. LOL man. I have broken that study down multiple times.Could be
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/236...innitus-prospective-placebo-controlled-study/
That is the one the BTA has one their site.
It is well known that dexamethasone is an early intervention ONLY. The way it works is that it prevents apoptosis in damaged tissues, but once the tissue dies, steroids (dexamethasone) are useless.
That study, that I have already eviscerated:
......it used patients that had chronic tinnitus for multiple years.
MULTIPLE YEARS.
You are using a study in which the patients were outside of the therapeutic window by YEARS to try and poo poo on the other science that shows it is an amazing early intervention, within the first week or 2.
ajc
Member
- Feb 6, 2018
- 1,170
- Tinnitus Since
- 11/2002; spike 2009; worse 2017-18
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Loud music - noise damage
MAN you totally missed my point. Regardless if the dexamethasone works for chronic cases or not, the study proves the power of placebo in treating tinnitus.
Also I'm not sure I agree on the study's worthlessness... many have wondered for decades if IT dexamethasone might help chronic tinnitus. This study proves it doesn't. Case closed. Case is not closed on acute tinnitus, there's many contradicting studies on IT dexamethasone and acute tinnitus. BTA should make the distinction between chronic and acute in that page.
I wonder if Mr. Case's Tinnitus Mix success is a combination of placebo and residual inhibition?
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