Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

I thought Allan's post on this was very apt. It's really exciting stuff and definitely reason to hope, but it won't work on everyone at the moment.

That is not to say that it won't work for everyone once it's been refined in future. They have already found ways to improve it, imagine what a few more years will look like.
My main message was that we shouldn't put all our hopes into this and see it as our last resort.

The technology will get better, as big pharma start picking it up and I'm told by a good authority that everyone wants in on tinnitus now. In fact by 2025 I read the spending on research for hearing etc globally will be enormous.

But we must all demand and donate more.
 
Sorry to hear about the hearing loss but glad to see it hardly affects work! That's great. Do you still go to bars and clubs or are those definite no's because they would spike your tinnitus?
My clubbing days are over lol but I haven't avoided bars or anything. Yes it's harder to hear and yes it's extremely frustrating at times but I don't want to be isolated. I will try and avoid louder bars because of the tinnitus, and I ask friends if we can find a quiet corner. It does absolutely spike the tinnitus because I have to work harder to hear. The tinnitus has ramped up because of my hearing loss in my opinion :-/
 
My clubbing days are over lol but I haven't avoided bars or anything. Yes it's harder to hear and yes it's extremely frustrating at times but I don't want to be isolated. I will try and avoid louder bars because of the tinnitus, and I ask friends if we can find a quiet corner. It does absolutely spike the tinnitus because I have to work harder to hear. The tinnitus has ramped up because of my hearing loss in my opinion :-/
Bars with ear plugs right? I'm 4 months in and used to really enjoy socializing at bars. If bars are spiking your tinnitus that's not a good sign and maybe cut back a bit to see if the loudness decreases?

It could be hearing loss causing tinnitus... but what if the loud bars are increasing or causing hearing loss and spiking your tinnitus at the same time?

I'm literally not going to loud bars for at least a year to see what that does for my tinnitus recovery. And I love going out.
 
Does anyone else check this forum multiple times a day waiting for an update. I wish I could not check it for 2 years and come back to tons of good news.
That kind of happened to me. Late 2018 I was off the forums for months and when I came back I found out about Neuromod and their impending release. It was an awesome moment, because previously I thought we'd have to wait for Dr. Shore, who's probably years away from commercialization. Neuromod might be a bit slow lately but they at least they're actively working on a release in the immediate future.
 
That kind of happened to me. Late 2018 I was off the forums for months and when I came back I found out about Neuromod and their impending release. It was an awesome moment, because previously I thought we'd have to wait for Dr. Shore, who's probably years away from commercialization. Neuromod might be a bit slow lately but they at least they're actively working on a release in the immediate future.
I think we'll see it released in the next 3 months.
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Neuromod were waiting to get a full distribution network set up first, at least in Europe, maybe in the USA, before launch. As its technology is not drug based it makes it much easier for people to reverse engineer the product.
 
Bars with ear plugs right? I'm 4 months in and used to really enjoy socializing at bars. If bars are spiking your tinnitus that's not a good sign and maybe cut back a bit to see if the loudness decreases?

It could be hearing loss causing tinnitus... but what if the loud bars are increasing or causing hearing loss and spiking your tinnitus at the same time?

I'm literally not going to loud bars for at least a year to see what that does for my tinnitus recovery. And I love going out.
My hearing is damaged because of prolonged earbud / loud music use, so I never took care of my lugs anyway. I will always have spikes when I try harder to listen. Especially when out or in crowded rooms.

It's great you're trying to protect yourself from more damage :) Try not to deprive yourself of a social life, I know it's easier said than done but if you tell people you have these issues then hopefully your friends will understand. xx
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Neuromod were waiting to get a full distribution network set up first, at least in Europe, maybe in the USA, before launch. As its technology is not drug based it makes it much easier for people to reverse engineer the product.
That's why patents and trademarks are necessary...
 
Mass producing and distributing a physical product is more challenging than you think. Of course, Neuromod has had plenty of time to work out these logistics in advance...
 
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Did they ever state publically that they were planning to release it in early 2019? I only remember them telling David from the BTA that they were planning to release it in January and in an email to Markku they said they were trying to release it as early as possible in 2019.
Can't find where, but pretty sure they said early 2019.
 
They DID update us... indirectly through the PowerPOint presentation @annV found. Makes a good read and reasonable people should take Neuromod more seriously. But as usual, things still can't go more than a few days before someone gets impatient again and posts another snarky meme intended to bash them. If all you can do is express the same snarky sentiment over and over again, maybe avoid posting next time, because it's making me and probably others feel like we're living in a time-loop.

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I kept fantasizing how when they finally release this thing my tinnitus will have already been cured after such a long delay.

I know, wishful thinking...
I've been caught up in thinking like this too. By the time it's here I hope I don't need it. I've actually said that out loud to other people. Pretty sure my tinnitus is going to outlast the wait.
 
Trademark on the name is confirmed on 6th May or something isn't it, so maybe we'll hear around then...

Or maybe when the peer review is out, although not sure when that is.

Is the release dependent on the findings of the peer review? In other words, if the peer review is unfavourable will they still go ahead and release the device? Or are they waiting on the peer review in order to convince audiologists to use it?
 
Trademark on the name is confirmed on 6th May or something isn't it, so maybe we'll hear around then...

Or maybe when the peer review is out, although not sure when that is.

Is the release dependent on the findings of the peer review? In other words, if the peer review is unfavourable will they still go ahead and release the device? Or are they waiting on the peer review in order to convince audiologists to use it?
Good questions. I would make the argument that starting distribution on at least a small scale through a local Irish partner would be great advertisement to drum up patients and audiologist sales partners.
 
Trademark on the name is confirmed on 6th May or something isn't it, so maybe we'll hear around then...

Or maybe when the peer review is out, although not sure when that is.

Is the release dependent on the findings of the peer review? In other words, if the peer review is unfavourable will they still go ahead and release the device? Or are they waiting on the peer review in order to convince audiologists to use it?
They're pretty committed to releasing it I would think now, regardless of whatever the peer review comes out with. They know what's being reviewed, so must be pretty confident the results stand up to scrutiny, otherwise they wouldn't have submitted it for review.

Also, they've had Hubert Lim, right, hawking this thing, right, around the American conferences, right. Setting up a new website for the device and saying it will be 'available soon' doesn't sound like they're undecided as to whether to release it, just working on when and crucially how.
 
I've been thinking about the likely cost of this device and specifically the charging model they're going to implement. Everyone seems to be in agreement that buying the device outright isn't going to be cheap - c. £4-5k. That seems to be the market rate for stuff like this and bear in mind they were selling MuteButton in Ireland for €3.5k in 2015. They're not going to sell the follow-up device, after 3 years more testing and investment, for less than they were previously.

But, that's an awful lot of money to splash on something that might not work for you. How are they going to persuade enough people to part with their cash? They're talking about an audiology assessment, presumably to assess suitability and match you with one of their efficient arms / protocols as identified in the trials, but even then, it's a bit of a leap of faith.

What would work for us as consumers is if they were to offer the device on a lease period initially. They reckon if it's going to work, you'll realise fairly quickly - positive effects are seen within 6-12 weeks - so they could offer it for a 3 month lease for say £1k. After that, if it doesn't work you give it back and resume your suffering - or you can ask them to tweak the settings and lease it for another 3 month period for another grand. Or, if it does work for you, you splash the cash to buy it outright with a slight discount on the purchase price to reflect the lease payments you've already made.
 
Trademark on the name is confirmed on 6th May or something isn't it, so maybe we'll hear around then...

Or maybe when the peer review is out, although not sure when that is.

Is the release dependent on the findings of the peer review? In other words, if the peer review is unfavourable will they still go ahead and release the device? Or are they waiting on the peer review in order to convince audiologists to use it?
I think the fact Hubert Lim recently did a number of high profile presentations; the advert in the ATA, the expression of interest website means you can be pretty confident that it'll be released regardless of what the peer review says which will probably reflect pretty much what we already know - it's not a cure; its not being touted as a cure and it will help some but not all.
 
bear in mind they were selling MuteButton in Ireland for €3.5k in 2015.
It was €2500 back then.

Last week, I got the following pricing information regarding MuteButton:

"It will retail at €2500 which includes €2200 for the device and €300 for the consultation with the audiologist who configures the device to each patients hearing profile. As our sales increase and the costs of manufacture decrease however we do hope to bring that price down slightly over the coming years."
 

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