Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

Anyone know which bus to take from Dublin airport to Hermitage Medical Clinic? I have 5 hours between the flight arrival and the appointment so I would rather use public transport instead of taxi as a part of experience.
 
Anyone know which bus to take from Dublin airport to Hermitage Medical Clinic? I have 5 hours between the flight arrival and the appointment so I would rather use public transport instead of taxi as a part of experience.
Hi. This is the email I received from the Hermitage re the Dublin Airport shuttle bus. I've used it on my previous two visits and booked a return ticket online. Was getting on at Lucan town though which is more complicated and unnecessary. I think the return stop from the Hermitage is the same as the one you get off at for some strange reason. Hope this is useful to you. Liz

Thank you for your email.

Yes the Airport Hopper bus from Dublin Airport to Maynooth has a stop close to the hospital – it is Bus Stop 11, N4 Foot Bridge leaving a 10-12 minute walk to the hospital.

http://airporthopper.ie/maynooth-route

I hope this helps.

Regards,

Maureen.​
 
Tinnitus duration criteria for TENT-A2 was up to 10 years...

Meanwhile clinical improvement (MCID) increased from 65.9% in TENT-A1 Arm 1 to 86.6% in TENT-A2 Arm 1.

Unless you are suggesting that they have cherry picked patients who have suffered with tinnitus for only a few months then I think we can safely say that duration is not an issue.
I hope you're correct the and forgive my frustration, sorry.

I just find this technology so nuanced and contingent to its success based on a gifted audiologist who knows how to recalibrate the timings and the subtleties of the technology. I do hope the Irish are training people up and they have wonderful results.

Good luck Lenire users, praying you get good results, especially for long time sufferers.
 
clinical improvement (MCID) increased from 65.9% in TENT-A1 Arm 1 to 86.6% in TENT-A2 Arm 1.
What I'm really looking for right now are more definitive testimonials. Even Neuromod's own testimonials were a bit lackluster. Right now we have one member who got worse and nobody who has improved as well as Clare B. Not saying nobody will, but right now, it's underwhelming. Like I said. I wish I had another six months to see how the dust settles. It's a tough call.
 
We're not at the 12 week mark. I believe in the technology.

I wasn't overwhelmed by the testimonials and that's something I can't shake off. Maybe they've found improvements. I'm expecting an email soon for an appointment, and like many I am becoming desperate with this.
 
Anyone know which bus to take from Dublin airport to Hermitage Medical Clinic? I have 5 hours between the flight arrival and the appointment so I would rather use public transport instead of taxi as a part of experience.
Use the Airport Hopper (red van, comes roughly twice a hour, numbered 767 or 777). Will take roughly 30 mins to get there. Get a ticket to Liffey Valley.

Also, if you're in need of a cab, use either Uber or Uber clone FreeNow, both should be significantly cheaper than taxis.
 
I have read that noticable neuroplasticity occurs within 2 months in the brain of people who start regular (daily!) music sessions like guitar or piano. Don't know if this is applicable to Bi-Modal Stimulation by Neuromod?

However, I am also a bit disappointed about the current feedback and the results. I don't want to believe, that all the hard work of Neuromod for the last 10 years will finally be a flop. It would be so heartbraking, another scam :(

P.S.: Are you sure that Bus Stop 11 is the correct debark point? If I check the Hermitage Clinic at Google Maps, it looks Bus Stop 9 would make more sense, no?
 
What I'm really looking for right now are more definitive testimonials. Even Neuromod's own testimonials were a bit lackluster. Right now we have one member who got worse and nobody who has improved as well as Clare B. Not saying nobody will, but right now, it's underwhelming. Like I said. I wish I had another six months to see how the dust settles. It's a tough call.
You are mixing apples and oranges here. First off. Clare B got her improvement at the end of the 12 weeks. We have 0 users who are at 12 weeks. If you read the user reports most of them have some kind of an improvement or at least not a worsening. Including one person who got a huge improvement. I do not see the underwhelming part here. You are looking for a miracle which really Neuromod never has claimed.

I see positives in all the user reports and am looking forward to when I will start my treatment. That said it can be so that I will be a non-responder but I won't know if I don't try. If you want to see things in a negative way then at least hold off until we start getting 12 week reports, 18 week reports. Have some patience.
 
Tinnitus duration criteria for TENT-A2 was up to 10 years...

Meanwhile clinical improvement (MCID) increased from 65.9% in TENT-A1 Arm 1 to 86.6% in TENT-A2 Arm 1.

Unless you are suggesting that they have cherry picked patients who have suffered with tinnitus for only a few months then I think we can safely say that duration is not an issue.
Where did you get this information?
 
I've lurked around these forums for a few weeks trying to take in what and where tinnitus treatment is at today as opposed to where it was at when I was first diagnosed back in 1991. There seems to be some very intelligent and well-versed people here with all sorts of knowledge in clinical trials, statistics, medicine etc etc, and that's brilliant for the community at large. Personally I have none of these particular skills and so reading your posts is beneficial to me when taking my layman's approach to assessing the potential in terms of gaining some long lasting relief to my own tinnitus, especially as it can now be quite intrusive even during the daytime.

I was initially very excited about Lenire. Not having had to pay much attention to tinnitus treatment for many years it was encouraging to find there is now some kind of device on the market (as opposed to the masking and, "You'll just have to learn to deal with it" approach back in 1991). That said - and I don't want to pour cold water on the thread - I'm quickly losing faith.

I understand there was some documentation published (a chart) that demonstrated general relief in symptoms over a period of time using Lenire. That chart alone really tweaked my interest. But I agree with @GlennS that Neuromod's own testimonials now seem rather lackluster and don't appear to support the narrative the chart laid out. Furthermore, accounts like Clare B's, a person who had been suffering with tinnitus for less than two years, need to be considered in context. My own tinnitus cleared up the first time round within two years of diagnosis and just after the period when I'd started using masking on a daily basis. I think it's fair to say that around that time an ENT consultant may have anecdotally concluded that it was the masking device rather than a spontaneous event that may have contributed to the relief. But surely if that case was true we'd be seeing stacks more positive outcomes? Even Clare B stated that the Lenire trial didn't work for everyone: "I did happen to speak to some older participants in the trial and they did not have the same improvement. So I guess it works better for some than others, depending on your tinnitus and maybe not so much if you have hearing loss."

I think the tinnitus industry needs to do a lot more. Unfortunately the current commercial state of bimodal stimulation seems to be putting those of us with symptoms between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand the Shore device benefits from years and years of thorough (and paid for) research and testing, which of course should fill potential patients with confidence, however, what's the point of defining a finite methodology if it just sits on the test bench forever and a day?

Then of course we have Lenire; on the market now but raising justifiable concerns because of the many matters being discussed here. Even Neuromod's website currently appears to be a little unclear stating that: Neuromod's bi-modal neuromodulation technology for the treatment of chronic tinnitus is currently undergoing large-scale trials across a number of European clinical sites under the guidance and supervision of our Science Advisory Board. OK, sounds promising, but does that mean trials are ongoing and therefore patients are paying to participate in device development? Or has Lenire reached a de facto standard and the rest is tweaking? I think Neuromod could and should be much clearer on this.

I want to stay positive. On a personal note I can just about deal with my tinnitus although if it gets any more intrusive I do think that could be a problem. Props to Lenire for commercialising a device but from what I'm gleaning here on Tinnitus Talk I believe there's at least now a good chance that many people are going to feel let down. Personally I won't be abrogating my own responsibility for coping strategies etc going forward because I do believe most of us can build our own coping strategies and lead normal lives. More importantly though I think it's healthier mentally going forward to place faith and responsibility in oneself rather than a medical magic bullet that, at least for the near 30 years tinnitus has been a part of my life, just hasn't come.

For those of you using Lenire or about to I hope you get relief. And at the end of the day whether that relief was due to the device or spontaneous event doesn't really matter. Relief is relief!
 
Also, if you're in need of a cab, use either Uber or Uber clone FreeNow, both should be significantly cheaper than taxis.
Just a few points to be raised here if you wish to Taxi your way around: Uber isn't really a thing in Ireland as it's unregulated. Free Now is good for hailing a taxi but that's all it's doing, calling a normal taxi. AFAIK it also charges you €2 per ride just for using it in addition to the actual fare (just for any price conscious people). Although it is useful as you can have your card details on it so you don't need cash on your person to use it.

There's also a taxi rank outside of Terminal 1 and normally ushers there to help you in one and get to where you're going.

My advice would be to tell the Taxi driver where you're going (most drivers will know The Hermitage) and then ask to agree on a price beforehand.

You can find info on it here:
https://www.dublinairport.com/to-from-the-airport/by-taxi
 
You are looking for a miracle which really Neuromod never has claimed.
I don't think I'm looking for a miracle.

Having participated in this discussion for a long time I remember quite a few people mentioning how underwhelming Neuromod's video testimonials were.

Sure, they all had a positive spin to it but their description of the nature of the improvement was vague and wishy-washy. Well, guess what? The positive testimonials we're now reading from Tinnitus Talk members is currently the same. If testimonials from those who completed treatment (from the trials) and those who are half-way through now are coming across the same way, it's reasonable to guess that perhaps this is the best most can expect and that people like Clare B are outliers.
hold off until we start getting 12 week reports, 18 week reports. Have some patience.
I would if it were possible to schedule an appointment at any time in the future. The nature of the waiting list and them not even scheduling for 2020 yet forces the issue. The moment I step out of the line I could be looking at a year+ wait for a new appointment.
 
It's too bad one has to follow this thread religiously to find out who has had benefit from the treatment.

I need a better overview... Who has been helped? How much has it helped them? How long have they had tinnitus for?
 
I don't think I'm looking for a miracle.

Having participated in this discussion for a long time I remember quite a few people mentioning how underwhelming Neuromod's video testimonials were.

Sure, they all had a positive spin to it but their description of the nature of the improvement was vague and wishy-washy. Well, guess what? The positive testimonials we're now reading from Tinnitus Talk members is currently the same. If testimonials from those who completed treatment (from the trials) and those who are half-way through now are coming across the same way, it's reasonable to guess that perhaps this is the best most can expect and that people like Clare B are outliers.

I would if it were possible to schedule an appointment at any time in the future. The nature of the waiting list and them not even scheduling for 2020 yet forces the issue. The moment I step out of the line I could be looking at a year+ wait for a new appointment.
And you'd have money for your kids' school and your tinnitus would remain the same or possibly get better.

I'd wait...
 
I've lurked around these forums for a few weeks trying to take in what and where tinnitus treatment is at today as opposed to where it was at when I was first diagnosed back in 1991. There seems to be some very intelligent and well-versed people here with all sorts of knowledge in clinical trials, statistics, medicine etc etc, and that's brilliant for the community at large. Personally I have none of these particular skills and so reading your posts is beneficial to me when taking my layman's approach to assessing the potential in terms of gaining some long lasting relief to my own tinnitus, especially as it can now be quite intrusive even during the daytime.

I was initially very excited about Lenire. Not having had to pay much attention to tinnitus treatment for many years it was encouraging to find there is now some kind of device on the market (as opposed to the masking and, "You'll just have to learn to deal with it" approach back in 1991). That said - and I don't want to pour cold water on the thread - I'm quickly losing faith.

I understand there was some documentation published (a chart) that demonstrated general relief in symptoms over a period of time using Lenire. That chart alone really tweaked my interest. But I agree with @GlennS that Neuromod's own testimonials now seem rather lackluster and don't appear to support the narrative the chart laid out. Furthermore, accounts like Clare B's, a person who had been suffering with tinnitus for less than two years, need to be considered in context. My own tinnitus cleared up the first time round within two years of diagnosis and just after the period when I'd started using masking on a daily basis. I think it's fair to say that around that time an ENT consultant may have anecdotally concluded that it was the masking device rather than a spontaneous event that may have contributed to the relief. But surely if that case was true we'd be seeing stacks more positive outcomes? Even Clare B stated that the Lenire trial didn't work for everyone: "I did happen to speak to some older participants in the trial and they did not have the same improvement. So I guess it works better for some than others, depending on your tinnitus and maybe not so much if you have hearing loss."

I think the tinnitus industry needs to do a lot more. Unfortunately, the current commercial state of bimodal stimulation seems to be putting those of us with symptoms between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand the Shore device benefits from years and years of thorough (and paid for) research and testing, which of course should fill potential patients with confidence, however, what's the point of defining a finite methodology if it just sits on the test bench forever and a day?

Then of course we have Lenire; on the market now but raising justifiable concerns because of the many matters being discussed here. Even Neuromod's website currently appears to be a little unclear stating that: Neuromod's bi-modal neuromodulation technology for the treatment of chronic tinnitus is currently undergoing large-scale trials across a number of European clinical sites under the guidance and supervision of our Science Advisory Board. OK, sounds promising, but does that mean trials are ongoing and therefore patients are paying to participate in device development? Or has Lenire reached a de facto standard and the rest is tweaking? I think Neuromod could and should be much clearer on this.

I want to stay positive. On a personal note I can just about deal with my tinnitus although if it gets any more intrusive I do think that could be a problem. Props to Lenire for commercialising a device but from what I'm gleaning here on Tinnitus Talk I believe there's at least now a good chance that many people are going to feel let down. Personally I won't be abrogating my own responsibility for coping strategies etc going forward because I do believe most of us can build our own coping strategies and lead normal lives. More importantly though I think it's healthier mentally going forward to place faith and responsibility in oneself rather than a medical magic bullet that, at least for the near 30 years tinnitus has been a part of my life, just hasn't come.

For those of you using Lenire or about to I hope you get relief. And at the end of the day whether that relief was due to the device or spontaneous event doesn't really matter. Relief is relief!
Man - these posts are becoming repetitive and annoying and the pessimism is unnecessary. Some people here come read only a single post and come out with those investigative negative theories without knowing the real facts.
The fellow pessimists are approaching this as if Neuromod claimed that they can cure you and results are not backing up their claims.

In a nutshell to summarize the facts:

- Lenire IS NOT A CURE by anyway, though with mild tinnitus, and low-to-moderate tinnitus, some people anecdotally, as the CEO said, would tell you they have been almost cured (as tinnitus became very low).

- Trials have shown that it can "reduce" tinnitus clinically in 67% of patients and deliver a slight reduction in the remaining, up to 86%, of the patients. So it's very much expected that the results here on Tinnitus Talk will come out the same. In the Tinnitus Talk results, some so far claimed adequately positive improvements, some claimed slight, and one's tinnitus worsened (likely not because of the device). So results are really in line with what they claim!

- Testimonies on their website are intentionally mixed (some say they got great reductions and some say slight reductions) because this reflects the reality. Neuromod didn't handpick the best cases and used them as testimonies so they won't deliver false promises. AGAIN this is not a cure, they only claimed that you might get a reduction.

- Currently, this is the only device in the market that may reduce your tinnitus. If you are desperate enough, spend 2500 euros on it. If you are not desperate, you can wait for further clinical trial results. But would the further clinical trial results be significantly different than the old ones to the extent that it would change someone's decision to try the device or not? No. Further clinical trials will likely be the same as the first one. Let's say instead of 67%, 50% got a reduction, wouldn't you still want to try it anyways?
The only thing that can change a person's decision is that if Lenire worsens tinnitus, which it very likely does not. If it didn't worsen tinnitus in the sample of 500 people before, it won't in the future samples. Maybe a few would report a worsening of their tinnitus? Let's say 1-2%. Would this still stop you from trying the device? NOT likely.

In summary, if you are lucky, you will benefit from the device. If you are unlucky, you will not. The price of trying your luck is 2500 euros. Is it expensive? Well a bit, but this is the reality + it's cheaper than the useless sound therapy devices.

I am neither optimistic nor pessimistic - above is based on and understanding the reality.
 
It's too bad one has to follow this thread religiously to find out who has had benefit from the treatment.

I need a better overview... Who has been helped? How much has it helped them? How long have they had tinnitus for?
Look at the specific Lenire user results thread, and then one of my previous posts copied for a brief summary of users to date.

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/lenire-—-user-experiences-and-reviews.35776/

I count five reporting at least some improvement now (@BigNick, @Redknight, @drcross, @jacob21, @TinMan2019), three unsure or no change yet (@ruud1boy, @Cojackb, @Liz Windsor) and one worse (@Allan1967). That is not counting the initial worsenings that resolved. Users please correct me if I'm wrong. I do note the improvers seem to have had tinnitus for a relatively short length of time with the exception of Jacob and TinMan. I'm not surprised that one person has worsened though Allan hopefully it will just be temporary.


Big Nick - tinnitus since Nov 18. Redknight - tinnitus since March 19. DrCross - tinnitus since 2018. jacob21 - tinnitus since 2016. TinMan2019 - tinnitus since 2017. Ruud1boy- tinnitus since c. 2006. Cojackb - tinnitus since January 2019. Liz Windsor - tinnitus since 2012. Allan1967- since 1997.

Not a surprise if newer tinnitus is more amenable to treatment I guess.
 
Sure, they all had a positive spin to it but their description of the nature of the improvement was vague and wishy-washy.
This was definitely one of my criticisms of Neuromod. Some of the feedback from the trial participants was essentially useless. We had everything from
Ronnie: Who says that he doesn't "notice" or "pay attention" to his spikes as much. Eh? So the device gives you ADD or what?
Noel: Goes on about how his daughter was chiding him about not having the TV so loud. Are we talking about hearing regeneration here?

All of the testimonials go on at length about how easy the device was to use... I don't know about anyone else but I couldn't care less about this. I'd learn to use Lenire while juggling flaming knives if it meant a greater reduction of symptoms.
Although it's again important to keep in mind. All of these testimonials and prior to the feedback thread are from the TENT-A1 device settings, in its infancy. Also a third of the patients were using the Asynchronous arm (known to be less effective). If the leaked TENT-A2 charts are to be believed then they've improved it further let alone the feedback from @Redknight which suggests they're going beyond that with further settings changes. Who knows what that means. It's certainly something I'll be asking if they get back to me with an appointment.
The positive testimonials we're now reading from Tinnitus Talk members is currently the same. If testimonials from those who completed treatment (from the trials) and those who are half-way through now are coming across the same way, it's reasonable to guess that perhaps this is the best most can expect and that people like Clare B are outliers.
I think this isn't completely fair Glenn. The feedback from Tinnitus Talk members has been quite detailed, only falling short of a second by second recounting of their experience.
Anyone going in to this expecting their tinnitus to resolve completely is pretty much guaranteed to be disappointed.
The average THI reduction from responders in TENT-A2 was what? 20-ish points?
So severe sufferers have the least to gain it seems. At 30-40 (selfishly including myself:oops:) points that's a whopping decrease of about 60%. But only 20% for someone at 100. What that means literally in terms of real life effects on our symptoms is anyone's guess. Even Neuromod don't know this I suspect.

I'd be eager to see though which parts of the THI breakdown are affected most. For example does Lenire affect the sleep problems or the anxiety or loudness of more patients?
We shall see. Be patient.
 
Cojackb - tinnitus since January 2019.
I've had tinnitus for as long as I can remember, even through childhood. However, it was so quiet and due to my naivety I never looked into what it was or cared as It didn't impact my life unless really looking for it. I assumed it was normal.

January 2019 is when it became problematic and got much louder and as such got the official diagnosis. :)

I've also added a post to the User Reviews on my progress just in case it's of any use. (y)
 
Look at the specific Lenire user results thread, and then one of my previous posts copied for a brief summary of users to date.

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/lenire-—-user-experiences-and-reviews.35776/

I count five reporting at least some improvement now (@BigNick, @Redknight, @drcross, @jacob21, @TinMan2019), three unsure or no change yet (@ruud1boy, @Cojackb, @Liz Windsor) and one worse (@Allan1967). That is not counting the initial worsenings that resolved. Users please correct me if I'm wrong. I do note the improvers seem to have had tinnitus for a relatively short length of time with the exception of Jacob and TinMan. I'm not surprised that one person has worsened though Allan hopefully it will just be temporary.


Big Nick - tinnitus since Nov 18. Redknight - tinnitus since March 19. DrCross - tinnitus since 2018. jacob21 - tinnitus since 2016. TinMan2019 - tinnitus since 2017. Ruud1boy- tinnitus since c. 2006. Cojackb - tinnitus since January 2019. Liz Windsor - tinnitus since 2012. Allan1967- since 1997.

Not a surprise if newer tinnitus is more amenable to treatment I guess.
Thanks for giving me and others an overview. I wish every single user would all post their weekly update in the user thread, or at least every 14 days. That thread is there to help us all. As of right now, the results don't seem overwhelming, and for me, the legitimacy of this treatment cant' be concluded with so few users. But time will tell... We'll have to be patient. I still have hope.
 
I don't think I'm looking for a miracle.

Having participated in this discussion for a long time I remember quite a few people mentioning how underwhelming Neuromod's video testimonials were.

Sure, they all had a positive spin to it but their description of the nature of the improvement was vague and wishy-washy. Well, guess what? The positive testimonials we're now reading from Tinnitus Talk members is currently the same. If testimonials from those who completed treatment (from the trials) and those who are half-way through now are coming across the same way, it's reasonable to guess that perhaps this is the best most can expect and that people like Clare B are outliers.
You call the testimonials underwhelming, I call them realistic.

I'd rather not have Neuromod fill us all with false hope and give us the impression that this treatment would categorically FIX your tinnitus. Those testimonials contain a broad range of different types of responses to the treatment which is a much more realistic scenario.

Throughout my first appointment with Neuromod and right up until now, there's never been any false promises or cotton wool over the eyes. They've been extremely transparent about expectations and everything they tell you matches those testimonials. They're realistic!
 
I've had tinnitus for as long as I can remember, even through childhood. However, it was so quiet and due to my naivety I never looked into what it was or cared as It didn't impact my life unless really looking for it. I assumed it was normal.

January 2019 is when it became problematic and got much louder and as such got the official diagnosis. :)

I've also added a post to the User Reviews on my progress just in case it's of any use. (y)
Do you know what has made your tinnitus worse?
 
You call the testimonials underwhelming, I call them realistic.
I have to disagree. Mild enough results fall within the gray-zone of placebo. They're also why all the other scam treatments persist. That kind of "does this or that snake-oil help?" word-of-mouth comprises 99% of the discussion of this forum. Go visit threads talking about Ring Ease or various herbals. A vague perception of an improvement is not enough proof of efficacy.

Based on the numbers in the charts that were in that fateful Vimeo video that was taken down, the best results people were getting (after they reprogrammed the timings in mid-stream) should translate to much more definitive testimonials than anything we've experienced so far outside of Clare B. So I don't think it's unreasonable for me to conclude that results so far have been "underwhelming".

I know people want to be optimistic. I do too, and I'm not trying to be a killjoy. But I can't get excited about what people are reporting. Not yet at least.
 
Thanks for giving me and others an overview. I wish every single user would all post their weekly update in the user thread, or at least every 14 days. That thread is there to help us all. As of right now, the results don't seem overwhelming, and for me, the legitimacy of this treatment cant' be concluded with so few users. But time will tell... We'll have to be patient. I still have hope.
I appreciate that the Lenire User thread is of interest to anyone thinking of trying Lenire. As a recent (almost 4 weeks in) user there would be no benefit, in my view, of a weekly update. I don't think the changes, well not in my case, are that distinct and rapid. I will post an update every couple of weeks or more frequently if there is something significant to report. I don't want to keep analysing what, if any, change there has been from one week to another. It will take the time it takes. But, as per my Lenire User thread post the treatment is currently benefitting me.
Liz
 
I've had tinnitus for as long as I can remember, even through childhood. However, it was so quiet and due to my naivety I never looked into what it was or cared as It didn't impact my life unless really looking for it. I assumed it was normal.

January 2019 is when it became problematic and got much louder and as such got the official diagnosis. :)

I've also added a post to the User Reviews on my progress just in case it's of any use. (y)
Thanks for your post in the user experience thread. That kind of feedback is very useful.
 
I have to disagree. Mild enough results fall within the gray-zone of placebo. They're also why all the other scam treatments persist. That kind of "does this or that snake-oil help?" word-of-mouth comprises 99% of the discussion of this forum. Go visit threads talking about Ring Ease or various herbals. A vague perception of an improvement is not enough proof of efficacy.
I'd kinda take issue with this. Like it or not tinnitus is a vague disease (symptom). It's not like a tumor or inflammation where we can directly measure the efficacy based on the resulting reduction in symptoms. All we have is MML and THI. Even they aren't straightforward. One of my good friends who reportedly has much louder tinnitus than mine is seemingly unbothered by it, every time I bring up Lenire to him he shrugs it off "meh it's only noise, why waste 2k?". So I'd expect his THI to be much lower despite having a much higher MML.

If we run from the THI and MML basis then we also need to accept that any given treatment should be assessed based on a statistical level of improvement and success rate. You might disagree with the minimal level at which this passes for treatment vs placebo (even I worry about that minimal 7 or 10 points of THI). But the wrong way to do this is come down hard on a few wishy washy testimonials and then compare it to a few others who says they feel better about their tinnitus since they rammed 3 kilos of mint washed in Jojoba oil up their arse.

It's about the numbers. Show me 500 people snorting curcumin powder with 70% reporting some good average level of improvement, a few studies later and Lenire is dead in the water.
If Neuromod aren't lying about their stats, well then the stats don't lie.
 
To JayBowson:

With all due respect, when I have a spike my tinnitus is not "a vague disease (symptom)" but the most densely, evidentiary, unignorable, strongest tangible presence in my consciousness.
It is, granted, not physical like a tumor but very akin to real pain and hence subjectively measurable.

I in fact liken it to my migraine pain, which is intangible but given its assault on my sense of well-being and security is capable of inducing distress to the point of vomiting.

I spent 36 weeks in a self-conning, placeboized fakeout when I undertook the Desyncra "therapy".

Afterwards, I was compelled to dismantle all of my carefully constructed rationalizing and admit that it was useless.

When Lenire or a similar device is available, As the WHO said "I won't get fooled again."
I have been educated in recognizing the difference between a placebo and the real deal (and in fact I was very gratified when my ENT Doctor said that Dr. Shore's device does show real potential).
 
It's about the numbers.
OK, so about those numbers, what about the peer review? I am not trying to FUD Neuromod to death here but I have to admit being disappointed that we're this far downstream and not seeing more dramatic stories. The most dramatic testimony has been Allan's condition getting worse. It's hard to stay as upbeat as I once was given this situation.

I just booked a hearing test for the 12th which may be cutting it too close to still make my early November appointment without getting reamed on the planet ticket but I don't want to book a flight unless my test meets the minimum acceptance criteria. Maybe I can find somewhere else that can do it as a walk-in, but I was stalling for the longest time in the hopes of hearing at least one more Clare B-grade positive testimonial but at this rate it doesn't look like it's gonna happen.
 

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