- Dec 18, 2015
- 618
- 45
- Tinnitus Since
- 03/2015
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Noise induced, loud rock concert
Hi. This is the email I received from the Hermitage re the Dublin Airport shuttle bus. I've used it on my previous two visits and booked a return ticket online. Was getting on at Lucan town though which is more complicated and unnecessary. I think the return stop from the Hermitage is the same as the one you get off at for some strange reason. Hope this is useful to you. LizAnyone know which bus to take from Dublin airport to Hermitage Medical Clinic? I have 5 hours between the flight arrival and the appointment so I would rather use public transport instead of taxi as a part of experience.
I hope you're correct the and forgive my frustration, sorry.Tinnitus duration criteria for TENT-A2 was up to 10 years...
Meanwhile clinical improvement (MCID) increased from 65.9% in TENT-A1 Arm 1 to 86.6% in TENT-A2 Arm 1.
Unless you are suggesting that they have cherry picked patients who have suffered with tinnitus for only a few months then I think we can safely say that duration is not an issue.
What I'm really looking for right now are more definitive testimonials. Even Neuromod's own testimonials were a bit lackluster. Right now we have one member who got worse and nobody who has improved as well as Clare B. Not saying nobody will, but right now, it's underwhelming. Like I said. I wish I had another six months to see how the dust settles. It's a tough call.clinical improvement (MCID) increased from 65.9% in TENT-A1 Arm 1 to 86.6% in TENT-A2 Arm 1.
Use the Airport Hopper (red van, comes roughly twice a hour, numbered 767 or 777). Will take roughly 30 mins to get there. Get a ticket to Liffey Valley.Anyone know which bus to take from Dublin airport to Hermitage Medical Clinic? I have 5 hours between the flight arrival and the appointment so I would rather use public transport instead of taxi as a part of experience.
You are mixing apples and oranges here. First off. Clare B got her improvement at the end of the 12 weeks. We have 0 users who are at 12 weeks. If you read the user reports most of them have some kind of an improvement or at least not a worsening. Including one person who got a huge improvement. I do not see the underwhelming part here. You are looking for a miracle which really Neuromod never has claimed.What I'm really looking for right now are more definitive testimonials. Even Neuromod's own testimonials were a bit lackluster. Right now we have one member who got worse and nobody who has improved as well as Clare B. Not saying nobody will, but right now, it's underwhelming. Like I said. I wish I had another six months to see how the dust settles. It's a tough call.
Where did you get this information?Tinnitus duration criteria for TENT-A2 was up to 10 years...
Meanwhile clinical improvement (MCID) increased from 65.9% in TENT-A1 Arm 1 to 86.6% in TENT-A2 Arm 1.
Unless you are suggesting that they have cherry picked patients who have suffered with tinnitus for only a few months then I think we can safely say that duration is not an issue.
I assume you mean the stats on clinical improvement? From the leaked TENT-A2 presentation slides.Where did you get this information?
Just a few points to be raised here if you wish to Taxi your way around: Uber isn't really a thing in Ireland as it's unregulated. Free Now is good for hailing a taxi but that's all it's doing, calling a normal taxi. AFAIK it also charges you €2 per ride just for using it in addition to the actual fare (just for any price conscious people). Although it is useful as you can have your card details on it so you don't need cash on your person to use it.Also, if you're in need of a cab, use either Uber or Uber clone FreeNow, both should be significantly cheaper than taxis.
I don't think I'm looking for a miracle.You are looking for a miracle which really Neuromod never has claimed.
I would if it were possible to schedule an appointment at any time in the future. The nature of the waiting list and them not even scheduling for 2020 yet forces the issue. The moment I step out of the line I could be looking at a year+ wait for a new appointment.hold off until we start getting 12 week reports, 18 week reports. Have some patience.
And you'd have money for your kids' school and your tinnitus would remain the same or possibly get better.I don't think I'm looking for a miracle.
Having participated in this discussion for a long time I remember quite a few people mentioning how underwhelming Neuromod's video testimonials were.
Sure, they all had a positive spin to it but their description of the nature of the improvement was vague and wishy-washy. Well, guess what? The positive testimonials we're now reading from Tinnitus Talk members is currently the same. If testimonials from those who completed treatment (from the trials) and those who are half-way through now are coming across the same way, it's reasonable to guess that perhaps this is the best most can expect and that people like Clare B are outliers.
I would if it were possible to schedule an appointment at any time in the future. The nature of the waiting list and them not even scheduling for 2020 yet forces the issue. The moment I step out of the line I could be looking at a year+ wait for a new appointment.
Man - these posts are becoming repetitive and annoying and the pessimism is unnecessary. Some people here come read only a single post and come out with those investigative negative theories without knowing the real facts.I've lurked around these forums for a few weeks trying to take in what and where tinnitus treatment is at today as opposed to where it was at when I was first diagnosed back in 1991. There seems to be some very intelligent and well-versed people here with all sorts of knowledge in clinical trials, statistics, medicine etc etc, and that's brilliant for the community at large. Personally I have none of these particular skills and so reading your posts is beneficial to me when taking my layman's approach to assessing the potential in terms of gaining some long lasting relief to my own tinnitus, especially as it can now be quite intrusive even during the daytime.
I was initially very excited about Lenire. Not having had to pay much attention to tinnitus treatment for many years it was encouraging to find there is now some kind of device on the market (as opposed to the masking and, "You'll just have to learn to deal with it" approach back in 1991). That said - and I don't want to pour cold water on the thread - I'm quickly losing faith.
I understand there was some documentation published (a chart) that demonstrated general relief in symptoms over a period of time using Lenire. That chart alone really tweaked my interest. But I agree with @GlennS that Neuromod's own testimonials now seem rather lackluster and don't appear to support the narrative the chart laid out. Furthermore, accounts like Clare B's, a person who had been suffering with tinnitus for less than two years, need to be considered in context. My own tinnitus cleared up the first time round within two years of diagnosis and just after the period when I'd started using masking on a daily basis. I think it's fair to say that around that time an ENT consultant may have anecdotally concluded that it was the masking device rather than a spontaneous event that may have contributed to the relief. But surely if that case was true we'd be seeing stacks more positive outcomes? Even Clare B stated that the Lenire trial didn't work for everyone: "I did happen to speak to some older participants in the trial and they did not have the same improvement. So I guess it works better for some than others, depending on your tinnitus and maybe not so much if you have hearing loss."
I think the tinnitus industry needs to do a lot more. Unfortunately, the current commercial state of bimodal stimulation seems to be putting those of us with symptoms between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand the Shore device benefits from years and years of thorough (and paid for) research and testing, which of course should fill potential patients with confidence, however, what's the point of defining a finite methodology if it just sits on the test bench forever and a day?
Then of course we have Lenire; on the market now but raising justifiable concerns because of the many matters being discussed here. Even Neuromod's website currently appears to be a little unclear stating that: Neuromod's bi-modal neuromodulation technology for the treatment of chronic tinnitus is currently undergoing large-scale trials across a number of European clinical sites under the guidance and supervision of our Science Advisory Board. OK, sounds promising, but does that mean trials are ongoing and therefore patients are paying to participate in device development? Or has Lenire reached a de facto standard and the rest is tweaking? I think Neuromod could and should be much clearer on this.
I want to stay positive. On a personal note I can just about deal with my tinnitus although if it gets any more intrusive I do think that could be a problem. Props to Lenire for commercialising a device but from what I'm gleaning here on Tinnitus Talk I believe there's at least now a good chance that many people are going to feel let down. Personally I won't be abrogating my own responsibility for coping strategies etc going forward because I do believe most of us can build our own coping strategies and lead normal lives. More importantly though I think it's healthier mentally going forward to place faith and responsibility in oneself rather than a medical magic bullet that, at least for the near 30 years tinnitus has been a part of my life, just hasn't come.
For those of you using Lenire or about to I hope you get relief. And at the end of the day whether that relief was due to the device or spontaneous event doesn't really matter. Relief is relief!
Look at the specific Lenire user results thread, and then one of my previous posts copied for a brief summary of users to date.It's too bad one has to follow this thread religiously to find out who has had benefit from the treatment.
I need a better overview... Who has been helped? How much has it helped them? How long have they had tinnitus for?
This was definitely one of my criticisms of Neuromod. Some of the feedback from the trial participants was essentially useless. We had everything fromSure, they all had a positive spin to it but their description of the nature of the improvement was vague and wishy-washy.
I think this isn't completely fair Glenn. The feedback from Tinnitus Talk members has been quite detailed, only falling short of a second by second recounting of their experience.The positive testimonials we're now reading from Tinnitus Talk members is currently the same. If testimonials from those who completed treatment (from the trials) and those who are half-way through now are coming across the same way, it's reasonable to guess that perhaps this is the best most can expect and that people like Clare B are outliers.
I've had tinnitus for as long as I can remember, even through childhood. However, it was so quiet and due to my naivety I never looked into what it was or cared as It didn't impact my life unless really looking for it. I assumed it was normal.Cojackb - tinnitus since January 2019.
Thanks for giving me and others an overview. I wish every single user would all post their weekly update in the user thread, or at least every 14 days. That thread is there to help us all. As of right now, the results don't seem overwhelming, and for me, the legitimacy of this treatment cant' be concluded with so few users. But time will tell... We'll have to be patient. I still have hope.Look at the specific Lenire user results thread, and then one of my previous posts copied for a brief summary of users to date.
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/lenire-—-user-experiences-and-reviews.35776/
I count five reporting at least some improvement now (@BigNick, @Redknight, @drcross, @jacob21, @TinMan2019), three unsure or no change yet (@ruud1boy, @Cojackb, @Liz Windsor) and one worse (@Allan1967). That is not counting the initial worsenings that resolved. Users please correct me if I'm wrong. I do note the improvers seem to have had tinnitus for a relatively short length of time with the exception of Jacob and TinMan. I'm not surprised that one person has worsened though Allan hopefully it will just be temporary.
Big Nick - tinnitus since Nov 18. Redknight - tinnitus since March 19. DrCross - tinnitus since 2018. jacob21 - tinnitus since 2016. TinMan2019 - tinnitus since 2017. Ruud1boy- tinnitus since c. 2006. Cojackb - tinnitus since January 2019. Liz Windsor - tinnitus since 2012. Allan1967- since 1997.
Not a surprise if newer tinnitus is more amenable to treatment I guess.
You call the testimonials underwhelming, I call them realistic.I don't think I'm looking for a miracle.
Having participated in this discussion for a long time I remember quite a few people mentioning how underwhelming Neuromod's video testimonials were.
Sure, they all had a positive spin to it but their description of the nature of the improvement was vague and wishy-washy. Well, guess what? The positive testimonials we're now reading from Tinnitus Talk members is currently the same. If testimonials from those who completed treatment (from the trials) and those who are half-way through now are coming across the same way, it's reasonable to guess that perhaps this is the best most can expect and that people like Clare B are outliers.
Do you know what has made your tinnitus worse?I've had tinnitus for as long as I can remember, even through childhood. However, it was so quiet and due to my naivety I never looked into what it was or cared as It didn't impact my life unless really looking for it. I assumed it was normal.
January 2019 is when it became problematic and got much louder and as such got the official diagnosis.
I've also added a post to the User Reviews on my progress just in case it's of any use.
I have to disagree. Mild enough results fall within the gray-zone of placebo. They're also why all the other scam treatments persist. That kind of "does this or that snake-oil help?" word-of-mouth comprises 99% of the discussion of this forum. Go visit threads talking about Ring Ease or various herbals. A vague perception of an improvement is not enough proof of efficacy.You call the testimonials underwhelming, I call them realistic.
I appreciate that the Lenire User thread is of interest to anyone thinking of trying Lenire. As a recent (almost 4 weeks in) user there would be no benefit, in my view, of a weekly update. I don't think the changes, well not in my case, are that distinct and rapid. I will post an update every couple of weeks or more frequently if there is something significant to report. I don't want to keep analysing what, if any, change there has been from one week to another. It will take the time it takes. But, as per my Lenire User thread post the treatment is currently benefitting me.Thanks for giving me and others an overview. I wish every single user would all post their weekly update in the user thread, or at least every 14 days. That thread is there to help us all. As of right now, the results don't seem overwhelming, and for me, the legitimacy of this treatment cant' be concluded with so few users. But time will tell... We'll have to be patient. I still have hope.
Thanks for your post in the user experience thread. That kind of feedback is very useful.I've had tinnitus for as long as I can remember, even through childhood. However, it was so quiet and due to my naivety I never looked into what it was or cared as It didn't impact my life unless really looking for it. I assumed it was normal.
January 2019 is when it became problematic and got much louder and as such got the official diagnosis.
I've also added a post to the User Reviews on my progress just in case it's of any use.
I'd kinda take issue with this. Like it or not tinnitus is a vague disease (symptom). It's not like a tumor or inflammation where we can directly measure the efficacy based on the resulting reduction in symptoms. All we have is MML and THI. Even they aren't straightforward. One of my good friends who reportedly has much louder tinnitus than mine is seemingly unbothered by it, every time I bring up Lenire to him he shrugs it off "meh it's only noise, why waste 2k?". So I'd expect his THI to be much lower despite having a much higher MML.I have to disagree. Mild enough results fall within the gray-zone of placebo. They're also why all the other scam treatments persist. That kind of "does this or that snake-oil help?" word-of-mouth comprises 99% of the discussion of this forum. Go visit threads talking about Ring Ease or various herbals. A vague perception of an improvement is not enough proof of efficacy.
My favorite saying when talking about statistics. "Figures Lie and Liars Figure."If Neuromod aren't lying about their stats, well then the stats don't lie.
OK, so about those numbers, what about the peer review? I am not trying to FUD Neuromod to death here but I have to admit being disappointed that we're this far downstream and not seeing more dramatic stories. The most dramatic testimony has been Allan's condition getting worse. It's hard to stay as upbeat as I once was given this situation.It's about the numbers.