Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

Dave, where did you see it in the US? I can't find it anywhere near me.
Are you referring to Desyncra or Lenire?

Desyncra went out of business over one year ago (and closed down their Web Site).

Lenire has established their US Headquarters in Oakbrook, IL, which is 11 miles away from where I am. I do not believe they have yet to issue their device to Audiologists.
 
Here we go again. Tinnitus Talk's conclusions were, IMHO, misleadingly positive. I know Tinnitus Talk vehemently denies this but your comment is why it very much is.
Fair! I'm still trying it if it comes to the US and there is no sign of Auricle in sight. Maybe the TENT-A2 trials reveals something different. Remember, @kelpiemsp experienced silence after using a variation of this tech.
 
Fair! I'm still trying it if it comes to the US and there is no sign of Auricle in sight. Maybe the TENT-A2 trials reveals something different. Remember, @kelpiemsp experienced silence after using a variation of this tech.
Yes, as long as you have in excess of $3,000.00 discretionary income (which will not be covered by any American Health Insurance Carrier) for a device that many have indicated can be constructed from various appliances on Amazon for $79.99.
 
Neuromod told me directly that TENT-A2 will be released "more likely December 2021 or January 2022." Whether you believe in this treatment or not, we should all want that trial reveal positive results so it gets approved by the FDA, clearing the way for the Auricle device shortly thereafter.
 
Yes, as long as you have in excess of $3,000.00 discretionary income (which will not be covered by any American Health Insurance Carrier) for a device that many have indicated can be constructed from various appliances on Amazon for $79.99.
Discretionary or not, I'll find whatever $ it takes to pay for results.

And while something similar could be constructed for $79.99 on Amazon, I don't know how to do that. The economy is decentralized. I pay for others to deliver manufactured goods and services to me. I pay for their R&D, their supplies, their suppliers to make said supplies, for them to market it to me so I know it's even available. I know you're a skeptic @DaveFromChicago, and I am cautiously optimistic. And if they release it, and it doesn't work. The free market will win, and they will lose.

But ultimately, I truly hope there is relief coming for all of us.
 
Hi all, new here. I just got a Lenire device second hand off of eBay to be sent to me in New Zealand. I know they are supposed to be 'tuned' per individual but the seller has what sounds like my exact symptoms so hopefully I get lucky. If not I will book an online appt. with them. I have reached a high level of desperation. My tinnitus for years has been in the background, now it is wildly in the foreground and I am stunned how loud it is. If I did not have a family to support I would go mad. I am booking in with an audiologist this week to see if they can do anything at all.

One thing with the Lenire, do you know how long the tongue attachment lasts? The previous owner used it for 2 sessions. I am hoping it will get me through 12 weeks, but apparently they need replacing and are £250 GBP? If I can get even 10% relief it will be worth it.

I am going to check this forum heavily to see if I can find anything to help.
 
Hi all, new here. I just got a Lenire device second hand off of eBay to be sent to me in New Zealand. I know they are supposed to be 'tuned' per individual but the seller has what sounds like my exact symptoms so hopefully I get lucky. If not I will book an online appt. with them. I have reached a high level of desperation. My tinnitus for years has been in the background, now it is wildly in the foreground and I am stunned how loud it is. If I did not have a family to support I would go mad. I am booking in with an audiologist this week to see if they can do anything at all.

One thing with the Lenire, do you know how long the tongue attachment lasts? The previous owner used it for 2 sessions. I am hoping it will get me through 12 weeks, but apparently they need replacing and are £250 GBP? If I can get even 10% relief it will be worth it.

I am going to check this forum heavily to see if I can find anything to help.
Prolly not a good idea to buy Lenire second hand. It has be tuned to your audio thresholds.
 
Prolly not a good idea to buy Lenire second hand. It has be tuned to your audio thresholds.
I'm sorry to say it so honestly.

I am a musician, I am familiar with audio editing and frequencies etc. and I returned the device after 6 weeks with no effect.

Total nonsense if your audiologist tries to make you believe that the device is individually tailored to you. They are always the same noises. The only thing they do is: they set a certain volume, which you can then change later for yourself. So it's all nonsense. Sorry. I can only repeat myself, the whole thing is like an iPod with Bluetooth headphones and a tongue tool that sends a bit of EMS with confusing different sounds that are supposed to be scientific.

The only ones who claim to have experienced improvement where the stressed ones, who were allowed to take half an hour off in the morning and in the evening and only allowed to listen to strange sounds; yes, that can also be relaxing.

I have a self-help group in Munich, where four others have tested the device and returned it, and I have another 2 Facebook friends who are desperate because the device does nothing. Lenire seems like a scam. Try it out, and then hold on until we find something else.

I am writing this because I had extensive discussions with the seller in Munich, he said it helps some and doesn't some. What kind of statement is that!?! If someone wants to sell you something that is profitable, they say it will make everyone profit! I think he felt guilty and that's why he said at least part of it was unsuccessful. He also posted a video of someone who made a trip from the US:



Well, no one ever heard from him (Patrik) again. Do you understand what I am trying to say? If he advertised with him, then he would have a lot of potential clients from the USA every day.

And I can only say repeatedly about the supposedly great studies:

Almost all non-drug studies claim to have a positive effect, well into the 80%. It is then the predominantly psychological effect that you give the provider a good reference at the end of the study, because he tried to help you without it costing you anything.

So in the end you feel sorry for the study provider because he wanted to help you.

Well then, I'll tick a few points better for him. And I'm also in a tight spot. I'm the person with whom the thing should work, and then it doesn't help, but it should, well then I'm under pressure and claim that the thing helps.

Well, I can only say again, Lenire is in my opinion absolute nonsense.

P.S.

I'm slowly feeling like the Robin Hood for poor tinnitus sufferers to save them from €2,750 EUR damage. If there was a device that helped us all, I would pay money so that everyone here can find out as quickly as possible.
 
I got it really cheap, so it's not a big deal for me if it fails. The science behind bimodal nueromodulation seems sound, maybe better for other issues than tinnitus but it makes sense in some ways.

I definitely do not buy into the tongue tip needing replacement to ensure it is clean and gives a good signal. I would imagine a short bath in an ultrasonic jewellery cleaner would have it completely as new.

I'll scan more of these threads. I'm not overly looking forward to an hour a day of the device for many weeks but am willing to try.

One interesting study would be 30 minutes of meditation 2x a day.
 
Just curious, I'm wondering how hackable these devices are. I am curious what is happening when these people keep going back to Neuromod and the staff are 'tweaking' it. Are they interfacing with the device through a port and using an application to adjust device settings? Or are the using buttons on the device as a way to input settings. Or maybe they have a proprietary app that communicates to the device via Bluetooth or such. I found it interesting that someone mentioned the tongue tip dies at 180 hours, hmm I wonder what the mechanism is here, and I also wonder what a possible method of factory resetting the device is. I am a bit geeky and a tech guy so could see trying to explore all aspects of the hardware and software.
 
To EDDTEKK:

Thanks ever so much for posting this.

I suppose it took a certain amount of professional courage to flatly state that they did not recommend this (including that comment about its expensiveness).

It was gratifying to see how they mentioned many of the questionable aspects that Posters on this Site had initially reported (and kudos to those Reporters).

Good Lord, they sure picked apart Lenire point by point.

Is this going to sink Lenire?

I cannot believe that when our FDA reviews this study they will still give Lenire their approval.
 
German Tinnitus Association has issued a warning against Lenire. It's in German. Sorry. Use Google translator.

https://tinnitusheilen.de/lenire/
Thanks indeed for sharing! Well, let's hope the Auricle/Shore device will be a better approach to bimodal stimulation!
To EDDTEKK:
Is this going to sink Lenire?

I cannot believe that when our FDA reviews this study they will still give Lenire their approval.
Lenire approval might help Auricle approval and lead to some competition between the companies. On the other hand, Lenire's disapproval and Auricle's approval would show that the latter is superior and hopefully an effective treatment. Worst is if both fail - it might pretty much end the efforts for bimodal stimulation at all... But I have some hope for Auricle/Shore, it clearly seems to be the more serious candidate!
 
To Harder Calm:

One of the best capsule analyses I have read regarding the potential (or lack thereof) of bimodal stimulation.

Our Chicago Tribune on 01/05/2018 had an extensive article about Dr.Shore and how her device would soon be available since substantial clinical trials were already undertaken.

That was four years ago (!) and long before any excuses for delays were given because of the COVID-19 Shutdown.

I so hope that I am wrong regarding my cynical reservations about all of these bimodal strategies.
 
Thanks indeed for sharing! Well, let's hope the Auricle/Shore device will be a better approach to bimodal stimulation!

Lenire approval might help Auricle approval and lead to some competition between the companies. On the other hand, Lenire's disapproval and Auricle's approval would show that the latter is superior and hopefully an effective treatment. Worst is if both fail - it might pretty much end the efforts for bimodal stimulation at all... But I have some hope for Auricle/Shore, it clearly seems to be the more serious candidate!
I don't speak German very well but I can tell what the website tinnitusheilen is. And you know it too and to be honest, you should be ashamed.

For those that don't know, this is a company trying to sell some kind of self-help tinnitus solution. I won't call that snake oil until I know more about it, but some of you will.

But for a company to try to sell its product, while editorializing and giving us a "warning," at least of this condition, is pretty lame.

So no thank you. I think you should know better.
 
So I am a native German speaker, and I also know the website tinnitusheilen.de and have rejected their book and cross-selling products for various reasons.

Lenire's assessment is the best I've heard so far (you know, I've also tested Lenire and dismiss it as nothing but an MP3 player that makes a few pleasant noises and produces a few mini EMS currents for manufacturing cost estimated at $29.).

I will copy the text, have it translated into English by Google and then optimize the machine translation difficulties. Give me a little time.
 
I don't speak German very well but I can tell what the website tinnitusheilen is. And you know it too and to be honest, you should be ashamed.

For those that don't know, this is a company trying to sell some kind of self-help tinnitus solution. I won't call that snake oil until I know more about it, but some of you will.

But for a company to try to sell its product, while editorializing and giving us a "warning," at least of this condition, is pretty lame.

So no thank you. I think you should know better.
Well, I was more referring in general to knowing the warning of the German Tinnitus Association regarding Lenire that was quoted, not to that specific page. Obviously you are right that page is selling CBT/TRT/self-help book/background music etc. and thus for them other serious treatment tries not being successful is good news they can use to sell their stuff, unfortunately.

The original warning/position regarding Lenire can be found here (but in the closed member zone, and certainly in German):

https://www.tinnitus-liga.de/pages/presse/stellungnahmen-der-dtl.php
 
Well, I was more referring in general to knowing the warning of the German Tinnitus Association regarding Lenire that was quoted, not to that specific page. Obviously you are right that page is selling CBT/TRT/self-help book/background music etc. and thus for them other serious treatment tries not being successful is good news they can use to sell their stuff, unfortunately.

The original warning/position regarding Lenire can be found here (but in the closed member zone, and certainly in German):

https://www.tinnitus-liga.de/pages/presse/stellungnahmen-der-dtl.php
I went to that page. There is nothing about Lenire on it. What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?

Maybe you can do everyone a favor by not sending people to pages and post exactly what it says, or translate it for us, without the spin that the pages you have provided so far.
 
I went to that page. There is nothing about Lenire on it. What exactly are you trying to accomplish here?

Maybe you can do everyone a favor by not sending people to pages and post exactly what it says, or translate it for us, without the spin that the pages you have provided so far.
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You can only read the report after logging in. You have to be a member. I am of course, so it is here in German in order to minimize too many back-translation errors from the Google-translated English into your native language:
in German said:
Stellungnahme des Fachlichen Beirats der Deutschen Tinnitus-Liga e. V.

Bimodale Stimulation zur Tinnitus-Behandlung (Lenire)

In der Sitzung des Fachlichen Beirats der Deutschen Tinnitus-Liga e. V. (DTL) im Februar 2021 wurde besonders ausführlich über die Studienlage zur bimodalen Stimulation gesprochen. Bimodal bedeutet "auf zwei Arten"; gemeint ist hier eine sowohl elektrische als auch akustische Stimulation. This Verfahren beruht auf Tierversuchen, in denen gezeigt Werden konnte, dass. In Bezug auf Tinnitus soll ein Lerneffekt erzielt werden, um den Tinnitus überhören zu können, wenn man Töne, die in einer bestimmten Beziehung zum Tinnitus eingestellt werden, mit einer elektrischen Reizung koppelt.

Bereits vor einigen Jahren wurde Eine derartige Therapie vorgestellt, bei der 10. Hirnnerv, der Nervus Vagus, am Hals gereizt wurde, entweder durch aufgesetzte Elektroden oder durch eine direkt implantierte Elektrode. Auch hier wurde sterben elektrische Reizung für Eine bestimmte Zeit am Tag durchgeführt und mit dem Hören von Tönen verbunden. Bei dieser bimodalen Vagusreizung jedoch in den Studien 2014 keine wirklich dauerhaften Erfolge für die Tinnitus-Behandlung berichtet werden (Tyler et al., 2017).

Einen anderen Ansatz verfolgte 2017 eine Studiengruppe um Prof. Shore aus den USA, sterben sich schwerpunktmäßig mit dem so genannten somatosensorischen Tinnitus, auch der Form von Ohrgeräuschen, die wesentlich im Zusammenhang mit Störungen und Funktionseinschränkungen der Halswirbelsäule oder der Kaumuskulatur stehen. Die Studiengruppe versuchte, einen anderen Hirnnerv, den Nervus Trigeminus, zu reizen und diese Reizung mit akustischen Stimulationen zu koppeln. Bei of this Behandlung wurden auf sterben Wange und sterben Stirn aufgeklebt, sterben kombinierte Behandlung ergab auch kurzfristige Verbesserungen des Tinnitus, jedoch nicht lange anhielten und dann erfolgreicher Sein sollten, WENN der Tinnitus durch Funktionsstörungen der Kaumuskulatur beeinflusst Werden konnte (Marks et al., 2017).

Eine neuere Variante of this Behandlung reizt ebenfalls einen Teil des Nervus Trigeminus, den Zungennerv (Nervus Lingualis), und paart dies mit akustischer Reizung nach Bestimmung der Tinnitus-Frequenz. Auch hier ist bereits ein Gerät im Handel; erste Studien sind jetzt veröffentlicht worden. In Deutschland wird diese Behandlung unter dem Namen Lenire durch die Firma Neuromod angeboten.

Die Deutsche Tinnitus-Liga wurde von mehreren Stellen angefragt, ob sie ihre Mitglieder zur Teilnahme an diesen Studien aufrufen sollte. Das Gerät für diese Behandlung kostet nach unseren Informationen ca. 2.700 Euro. Für die jetzt durchgeführten oder geplanten Studien müssen sterben Patienten, sterben an der Studie teilnehmen, sterben Geräte bezahlen. Aus ethischen Gründen sind jedoch aus der Sicht der Selbsthilfe Studien, bei denen die Teilnehmer für die Studienteilnahme bezahlen müssen, grundsätzlich abzulehnen.

Eine aktuelle Studie, bei der die Geräte den Patienten gestellt wurden, ist von Conlon und Mitarbeitern 2020 veröffentlicht worden; sie wird in den Medien momentan als sehr vielversprechend kommentiert. Die Untersuchung zu dieser bimodalen (Zungen-) Stimulation berichtet über 326 Patienten, die in drei Therapiearmen ohne Placebokontrolle stimuliert wurden. Insgesamt wurde this Gruppe aus 698 Patienten herausgesucht, sterben als geeignet für die Therapie befunden wurden, wobei aus unserer Sicht Nicht deutlich WIRD, Why Die Anderen Patienten Außer den 326 Nicht Eingenommen wurden.

Insgesamt unterschieden sich die drei gleich großen Stimulationsgruppen in den verwendeten Reizparametern, auch den Stromfolgen, sterben auf der Zunge angewandt wurden, und auch in den damit gepaarten akustischen Reizen. Die dritte Gruppe wurde mit nicht direkt mit der elektrischen Stimulation gepaarten Tönen gereizt. Eine direkte Zuordnung zur Tinnitus-Frequenz besteht bei der akustischen Reizung nicht. Behandelt wurde für insgesamt zwölf Wochen mit täglich zweimal 30 Minuten Anwendung.

Für sterben Studie Konnte 80 Prozent der Patienten ausgewertet Werden, 20 Prozent nahmen Nicht vollständig an der Studie teil und wurden deshalb von der Auswertung ausgeschlossen. Nach der Behandlung hatten sich alle Gruppen im Mittelwert statistisch signifikant verbessert, wobei die Befunde mit entsprechenden Fragebögen, dem Tinnitus Handicap Inventory (THI) und dem Tinnitus Functional Index (TFI) gemessen wurden. This Fragebögen geben Auskünfte über die Belastung durch den Tinnitus. Sie wurden nach zwölf Monaten erneut kontrolliert und blieben scheinbar stabil. 20 Prozent der Teilnehmer verbesserten sich durch die Stimulation jedoch nicht (Conlon et al., 2020).
in English said:
Opinion of the technical advisory board of the German Tinnitus League e. V.

Bimodal stimulation for tinnitus treatment (Lenire)

In the meeting of the technical advisory board of the German Tinnitus League e. V. (DTL) in February 2021, the study situation on bimodal stimulation was discussed in great detail. Bimodal means "in two ways"; What is meant here is both electrical and acoustic stimulation. This method is based on animal experiments, in which it could be shown that learning effects can be improved by stimulating certain centers of the cerebral cortex. With regard to tinnitus, a learning effect is to be achieved in order to be able to ignore the tinnitus, if one simultaneously couples tones which are adjusted in a certain relation to the tinnitus with an electrical stimulation.

Such a therapy was presented a few years ago, in which the 10th cranial nerve, the vagus nerve, was stimulated in the neck, either by electrodes attached or by an electrode that was directly implanted. Here, too, the electrical stimulation was carried out for a certain time during the day and connected with the hearing of tones. With this bimodal vagus irritation, however, no really lasting successes for tinnitus treatment could be reported in the 2014 studies (Tyler et al., 2017).

A study group led by Prof. Shore from the USA pursued a different approach in 2017, which focuses on so-called somatosensory tinnitus, i.e. the form of noises in the ear that are essentially related to disorders and functional restrictions of the cervical spine or the masticatory muscles. The study group tried to stimulate another cranial nerve, the trigeminal nerve, and to couple this stimulation with acoustic stimulation. In this treatment, electrodes were stuck to the cheek and forehead; the combined treatment also resulted in short-term improvements in tinnitus, which, however, did not last long and should be more successful if the tinnitus could be influenced by dysfunction of the masticatory muscles (Marks et al., 2017). A corresponding device is used in the USA for this purpose.

A newer variant of this treatment also stimulates part of the trigeminal nerve, the tongue nerve (nervus lingualis), and pairs this with acoustic stimulation after determining the tinnitus frequency. Here, too, a device is already on the market; the first studies have now been published. In Germany, this treatment is offered by the Neuromod company under the name Lenire.

The German Tinnitus League was asked by several authorities whether they should encourage their members to participate in these studies. According to our information, the device for this treatment costs around 2,700 euros. For the studies that are now being carried out or planned, the patients participating in the study have to pay for the equipment. For ethical reasons, however, from the point of view of self-help, studies in which the participants have to pay for participation in the study should be rejected as a matter of principle.

A current study in which the devices were placed on the patient was published by Conlon and co-workers in 2020; it is currently being commented on in the media as very promising. The study on this bimodal (tongue) stimulation reports on 326 patients who were stimulated in three therapy arms without placebo control. Overall, this group was selected from 698 patients who were found to be suitable for the therapy, although from our point of view it is not clear why the other patients apart from the 326 were not taken.

Overall, the three equally large stimulation groups differed in the stimulus parameters used, i.e. the current sequences that were applied to the tongue, and also in the acoustic stimuli associated with them. The third group in particular was stimulated with tones that were not directly paired with the electrical stimulation. There is no direct assignment to the tinnitus frequency for acoustic stimulation. Treatments were carried out for a total of twelve weeks with two 30-minute applications per day.

For the study, 80 percent of the patients could be evaluated, 20 percent did not fully participate in the study and were therefore excluded from the evaluation. After the treatment, all groups had improved statistically significantly on average, the findings being measured using appropriate questionnaires, the Tinnitus Handicap Inventory (THI) and the Tinnitus Functional Index (TFI). These questionnaires provide information about the burden of tinnitus. They were checked again after twelve months and appeared to have remained stable. However, 20 percent of the participants did not improve through the stimulation (Conlon et al., 2020).

From the point of view of the technical advisory board, one criticism of the study is that it does not include the extensive diagnostics relating to the hearing function, the tinnitus frequency and volume and counseling, as to whether an explanation of the causes and consequences of the Suffered from tinnitus or not. Since this information is known to have a high therapeutic effect, it should have been mentioned in the work from the point of view of the members of the Advisory Board.

It is also difficult to assess the fact that the individual hearing loss of the patient was recorded, but not further described in the study and, as far as recognizable, it was not evaluated whether there were differences in the success of the therapy with regard to the hearing loss.

It would also be desirable to discuss why the third group, which was actually unspecific in terms of acoustic stimulation, improved in the same way as the other groups. A placebo effect could at least be suspected here.

Noteworthy and actually the main point of criticism of the study is that, according to their own statements, eight of the total of 13 authors are directly employed by the company that also sells the device. Another three authors receive consultancy fees from this company. Therefore, at least the independence of the study can be doubted.

This study was discussed in detail in the technical advisory board, regardless of the fact that it is generally very easy in Germany to bring a device onto the market that can be used for therapeutic purposes. All that is required is a so-called CE classification or a CE mark.

After discussing this study, the technical advisory board unanimously decided that the German Tinnitus League therefore does not currently actively recommend participation in the study for this device under the conditions mentioned above, nor will it call for the device to be purchased.

From the standpoint of self-help advocacy, studies should not be supported in which test subjects have to pay to participate in the study or have to purchase equipment.

Prof. Dr. Gerhard Hesse, spokesman for the technical advisory board of the German Tinnitus League e. V., Prof. Dr. Gerhard Goebel, first deputy spokesman of the technical advisory board of the German Tinnitus League e. V.

Wuppertal, May 2021
 
Are you going to try Dr. Shore's device if it hits the market?
I've come to terms with the tinnitus I now have so I'm going to wait and see. I don't find any reason to be very optimistic regarding Dr. Shore's device. I'm afraid it is just going to be yet another expensive habituation device without any real positive effect. I'd love to be wrong though, but I'm not holding my breath.
 

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