Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod
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Member- Dec 18, 2015
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- Tinnitus Since
- 03/2015
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Noise induced, loud rock concert
I don't think Neuromod was claiming this officially, I rather associate it with the University of Minnesota's clinical trial.
I live in Ireland, happy to help anyone who's far away if it helps. I believe you need an audiogram to calibrate it, but maybe they're willing to do that remotely.
It's being sold through European clinics, correct? So how does someone from outside Europe get in with a clinic and purchase Lenire?
The website says it will be available in select clinics in Europe. I'm willing to bet one would have to show up with documentation showing you are a resident of the country(s) in which it will be available. Very nice gesture in any case and kudos to you for offering.
Well I think residency will only be an issue if one is willing to have the costs covered by his insurance, public or private. If one is willing to pay himself for the treatment, it won't be a problem.
Yeah, typically a provider is not going to care where you are from, especially paying in cash.
I believe you will just need an audiologist to a) do an audiogram and b) check your tinnitus to see if you are a good candidate (based on the trial data).
The video Q&A asked the CEO if people could travel for treatment and he basically said yes, but follow up appointments could be problematic and travel could get costly.
You can kip in my back garden if you bring your own tent.
I think the issues for US residents will be customs. You aren't allowed to bring medical devices into the country. Not saying you couldn't easily get away with it. If someone is willing to ship it back it would take away the possibility for customs to confiscate it.
What would be the problem just walking through the airport pretending they're mp3 players?
I believe the area is really "grey". For mechanical devices especially. Mostly they are trying to protect OTC drugs in other countries from getting in more than physical devices. There are bunches of OTC drugs that are legal in Europe and not in America. It's nebulous enough though to stop you at will.
And in the US I doubt this device would be covered anyway, just like most hearing aids aren't covered.
Gosh darn.
That gizmo is going to fix my brain damage.
I wish it was bigger, and more sci-fi looking like Susan Shore's device.
Ideally an electric chair as a back up, if the Koss headphones, I mean MP3, I mean MuteButton, I mean Lenire biodal neuromodulation device doesn't work... I can at least crank up the voltage and have a lobotomy, may help the tinnitus.
That gizmo is going to fix my brain damage.
I wish it was bigger, and more sci-fi looking like Susan Shore's device.
Ideally an electric chair as a back up, if the Koss headphones, I mean MP3, I mean MuteButton, I mean Lenire biodal neuromodulation device doesn't work... I can at least crank up the voltage and have a lobotomy, may help the tinnitus.
- Apr 15, 2017
- 1,419
- Tinnitus Since
- 2008
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Noise
I'm guessing you won't have to replace the tongue tickler.
Unless you misused it, for example putting it somewhere you shouldn't.
We really haven't found anything new out. Not complaining, somebody already found out this thing was going to be called Lenire before they told Tinnitus Talk. Everything else is already knowledge to the regular Tinnitus Talk user who follows the developments, but it does shine light to newbies jumping on this forum.
And so the speculation continues...
I think the 3 main things we need to see are:
- A release date with the locations and prices
- Access to the papers that they have already said will be available to patients
- Testimonials of the device (separate of the ones from Neuromod)
Anyway, it's a huge claim Neuromod have made and they have customers here with huge expectations - if this really reduces the volume intensity for a vast majority, you could say Neuromod have achieved a breakthrough in the tinnitus treatments. Just hope history doesn't repeat itself...
- Oct 21, 2018
- 999
- Tinnitus Since
- 1997
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Ear infection
I would like to think that the big names that have been involved wouldn't be involved if they thought history was going to repeat itself. Way I see it Neuromod went back to the drawing board, called in some big guns, got additional financing and have been touring touting it... so these are all pretty positive signs.
FounderFYI: Neuromod hasn't been in touch with us, and they never replied to my email either from a month (or so) ago.
This thread was created after the Lenire website was put up by Neuromod, and someone posted about it here. @Hazel drafted the awesome introduction post.
We might delete these posts and re-format the first post of the thread once the device is out... to then have a new, re-set Lenire discussion thread. In retrospect, maybe this thread should have been launched later on when the device is actually available. Live and learn.
It was exciting for many that something that could take this monster out of their friggen heads was right around the corner. No fault for you guys in my opinion.
No new information, per se, but the start of the active promotion of Lenire addresses the "radio silence" complaint people were having, which was fertile ground for all sorts of negative speculation. It may be true that they're not responding well to individual queries but the more they pivot towards release the more people should rely on official information-drops rather than flooding their inbox.
- May 8, 2012
- 1,601
- Tinnitus Since
- 04/15/2012 or earlier?
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Most likely hearing loss
Sorry, I am a bit skeptical and don't completely trust this company. There is still not much actual detail on the product itself, the trials or even the results. "80% saw some clinically signification improvement after 12 weeks" - Based on what? What does clinically significant actually mean in Neuromod terms? They are a public company and their website with testimonials etc is mostly an investor pitch. In July of 2018, their CEO stated they were having woes because of acquisitions, growing too fast and decline in product market share.
I am still happy that companies are at least trying. I believe there might be something real to bimodal stimulation to affect the DCN which is what Neuromod and Susan Shore's team are working on. I guess only time will tell. With all the neurostimulation treatments and devices released in the past 10 years, none have really worked as promised for tinnitus by their own success claims and positive study results i.e. SoundCure and even MicroTransponder VNS brain stimulation.
I am still happy that companies are at least trying. I believe there might be something real to bimodal stimulation to affect the DCN which is what Neuromod and Susan Shore's team are working on. I guess only time will tell. With all the neurostimulation treatments and devices released in the past 10 years, none have really worked as promised for tinnitus by their own success claims and positive study results i.e. SoundCure and even MicroTransponder VNS brain stimulation.
It wouldn't be Tinnitus Talk without watching optimism crash back down to cynicism after ~5 minutes.
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