Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

[Mentos]

I was informed by Brai3n that they plan to have Lenire available as of January in Belgium.

 

[Ivkopivko]

Any mention of promised availability in Germany, and others "not ever going to happen countries," I guess, such as Czech Rep., Slovakia, Poland, Hungary...?

 

[Karl28]

What about Australia?

 

[Star64]

@PeterPan do you think Lenire will eventually make its presence here in Australia...?

We are so far away from Europe... Treatment options for us in Australia would cost a small fortune... Especially since you have to return for re-assessment and adjustments... But if it proves successful I am sure people will endeavour to get the treatment regardless...

Just hoping us Aussies are not forgotten... Lenire would still make big bucks here if it got approval...

 

[Annpann]

Thanks. I pick my device up soon.

As far as I am aware it seems to take around 6 weeks before there is any noticeable difference to the tinnitus. There may be little to report in the first few weeks.

 

[Ivkopivko]

Did any of you have had a chance to speculate/discuss with Neuromod or any trial participants if they tried and measured any outcomes of continued and prolonged use of Lenire?

In particular, I refer to the snip taken from Lenire website below so they definitely are thinking of this option rather that If the treatment isn't successful in 12 weeks, the device might be used even longer. I didn't see any mention of longer use than 12 weeks in Q&A or elsewhere.

For me It's very hard to believe that they at least didn't try it with few people just to see what happens, or maybe the third assessment with another change of signal/timing parameters to see if it has any other benefits.

What's your opinion, is the 12 week period the only chance to see results or is there a chance to see benefits also after this period?

 

[Autumnly]

I was informed by Brai3n that they plan to have Lenire available as of January in Belgium.

Wow, that's late but I'm glad to hear they're working on launching it in other countries. Hoping Germany and the UK will still get a 2019 launch.

 

[zoid]

@Mentos this is some good news. I was doubting about mailing them, glad you did! Thanks for sharing!

 

[gorzakus]

I was informed by Brai3n that they plan to have Lenire available as of January in Belgium.

Did you get an email from them or did you ask them for information?

I am living in Belgium so would like to know more about a release over here.

 

[Mentos]

Did you get an email from them or did you ask them for information?

I am living in Belgium so would like to know more about a release over here.

I was already in contact with Brai3n for some months regarding their treatments and when I e-mailed them yesterday saying that I plan to try Lenire this year instead of Brai3n's treatments they replied it's a good plan and they should have Lenire available as of January, 2020.

 

[Allan1967]

Did any of you have had a chance to speculate/discuss with Neuromod or any trial participants if they tried and measured any outcomes of continued and prolonged use of Lenire?

In particular, I refer to the snip taken from Lenire website below so they definitely are thinking of this option rather that If the treatment isn't successful in 12 weeks, the device might be used even longer. I didn't see any mention of longer use than 12 weeks in Q&A or elsewhere.

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For me It's very hard to believe that they at least didn't try it with few people just to see what happens, or maybe the third assessment with another change of signal/timing parameters to see if it has any other benefits.

What's your opinion, is the 12 week period the only chance to see results or is there a chance to see benefits also after this period?

When I was there they talked about the possibility that use of the device could stretch for far longer than 12 weeks before you see results and their support doesn't end at the end of the 4th visit. This could be due to numerous factors that are variable for everyone.

They are still there to support you after that 4th visit. You're just getting those first four visits in with the price.

This is why I am opting to buy mine outright when I pick it up.

 

[gorzakus]

I was already in contact with Brai3n for some months regarding their treatments and when I e-mailed them yesterday saying that I plan to try Lenire this year instead of Brai3n's treatments they replied it's a good plan and they should have Lenire available as of January, 2020.

Ok, thanks for the info!

 

[Mentos]

Does anyone know when the first devices are fitted?

 

[Stakovic]

@Allan1967
When will you receive the device?

 

[JohnAdams]

Can I get a link to the trial info?

 

[annV]

Can I get a link to the trial info?

You're welcome.

 

[erik]

If you read back, there has been all manner of accusations thrown at Neuromod in this thread.

There's nothing wrong with being skeptical. Most people don't know what to believe, only what they wish to believe.

 

[Allan1967]

@Allan1967
When will you receive the device?

Not next week but the week after.

 

[Allan1967]

As far as I am aware it seems to take around 6 weeks before there is any noticeable difference to the tinnitus. There may be little to report in the first few weeks.

I was watching the testimonials the other night. One of them said 3 weeks; another said half way.

I think it's best to not put any time expectations on yourself, based on other people's comments. We're all different and have different tinnitus causes and types and judging what does or doesn't happen based on someone else's experience might set you up for feeling like you've failed when you possibly haven't. And they said to me it might take longer for some... There's just no hard and fast rule.

On another note - has anyone considered what will be the psychological effect on them if it doesn't work?

Has anyone had that experience, like from that AM-101 trial?

And... How do you upload photos from your mobile phone?

 

[zhiyuan]

You're welcome.

So Lenire is the same as the University of Minnesota device?

 

[zoid]

I was already in contact with Brai3n for some months regarding their treatments and when I e-mailed them yesterday saying that I plan to try Lenire this year instead of Brai3n's treatments they replied it's a good plan and they should have Lenire available as of January, 2020.

I've also sent them an e-mail and in their reply to me they didn't specifically say it will be available in January 2020.

To me they said they are aiming to offer Lenire alongside their other treatments in 2020.

 

[Hayls32]

Hello, to those of you in the waiting line, have you had any more emails from Neuromod at all? I only had the one telling me there was a wait. Ta.

 

[PeterPan]

@PeterPan do you think Lenire will eventually make its presence here in Australia...?

We are so far away from Europe... Treatment options for us in Australia would cost a small fortune... Especially since you have to return for re-assessment and adjustments... But if it proves successful I am sure people will endeavour to get the treatment regardless...

Just hoping us Aussies are not forgotten... Lenire would still make big bucks here if it got approval...

I hope so, I am based in Sydney. I think it will depend on the success of their product in their initial chosen markets.

 

[Watasha]

I was watching the testimonials the other night. One of them said 3 weeks; another said half way.

I think it's best to not put any time expectations on yourself, based on other people's comments. We're all different and have different tinnitus causes and types and judging what does or doesn't happen based on someone else's experience might set you up for feeling like you've failed when you possibly haven't. And they said to me it might take longer for some... There's just no hard and fast rule.

On another note - has anyone considered what will be the psychological effect on them if it doesn't work?

Has anyone had that experience, like from that AM-101 trial?

And... How do you upload photos from your mobile phone?

To piggyback off your comments, I am rather nervous that this device's efficacy is going to let a lot of people down. There are many reasons to be hopeful, but I would not go into this expecting much improvement. One can hope though and I hope I'm wrong to be doubtful.

 

[Allan1967]

To piggyback off your comments, I am rather nervous that this device's efficacy is going to let a lot of people down. There are many reasons to be hopeful, but I would not go into this expecting much improvement. One can hope though and I hope I'm wrong to be doubtful.

Well in fairness they do say 2 out of 3 people benefit so if a 1000 people sign up, 333 are going to be let down.

We'll just have to wait and see.

 

[ajc]

Well in fairness they do say 2 out of 3 people benefit so if a 1000 people sign up, 333 are going to be let down.

We'll just have to wait see.

But even for those 667 who benefit, it's only CBT-level success, results only seen faster than with CBT.

I think a year from now many are going to be disappointed.

 

[Allan1967]

But even for those 667 who benefit, it's only CBT-level success, results only seen faster than with CBT.

I think a year from now many are going to be disappointed.

What do you mean CBT level success? That to me means the way you consider your tinnitus changes but if you watch the testimonials the participants talk about tinnitus going away/intensity reducing/reactivity disappearing... That doesn't happen with CBT.

We have @kelpiemsp and the young lady on here to testify to that.

 

[ajc]

What do you mean CBT level success? That to me means the way you consider your tinnitus changes but if you watch the testimonials the participants talk about tinnitus going away/intensity reducing/reactivity disappearing... That doesn't happen with CBT.

We have @kelpiemsp and the young lady on here to testify to that.

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) reported THI improvement of 10 points within 8 months and 13 points within 12 months in 492-patient clinical study (Cima et al., The Lancet, 2012), whereas Lenire provided a THI reduction of 12 points within 6 weeks, and that THI reduction didn't get much better than that later on either.

 

[Allan1967]

Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT) reported THI improvement of 10 points within 8 months and 13 points within 12 months in 492-patient clinical study (Cima et al., The Lancet, 2012), whereas Lenire provided a THI reduction of 12 points within 6 weeks, and that THI reduction didn't increase over time much more than that with Lenire.

But the THI questionnaire is subjective. I don't put any real faith in it because when I fill that in it depends on how good or shit my week has been. Plus if my mental approach to my tinnitus changes then yes I would score better but likewise if the tinnitus changes itself my mental score would be better. Perhaps this is why the scores for Lenire change quicker than the CBT because it's the actual tinnitus that changes which in turn alters the mental reaction.

What I'm saying here is we have people stating an actual reduction in intensity; reactivity etc and there's actual science behind it. I don't think it was just a case of stimulating some part of your body with an electric current for the fun of it.

I'm just speculating here and I could be wrong. Either way I'm about to find out.

 

[Jack Straw]

But even for those 667 who benefit, it's only CBT-level success, results only seen faster than with CBT.

I think a year from now many are going to be disappointed.

This is technically true and but also wrong at the same time.

CBT can only help you cope with tinnitus lowering the emotional effect on you. This can help reduce your THI scale a certain number of points.

Lenire actually lowers your tinnitus sound level which lowers your THI as well. Just because they both lower your THI level a certain amount doesn't mean it is equivalent to CBT. That is wrong.

Also, since CBT is an emotional lowering of the scale and Lenire is a physical lowering, why wouldn't you combine the two and increase the amount you can lower your THI scale?

Lenire efficacy isn't the same as CBT efficacy.