Lenire — Bimodal Stimulation Treatment by Neuromod

[Redknight]

Hi,

I noticed your positive post in the user experience thread. I'm glad to see you are getting relief. I will receive my device in November. Do you mind me asking how long you have had tinnitus and has it ever improved to this extent before you started using Lenire?

Since March 10th, 2019; so 5 months.

My tinnitus varies, but this period of quietness is unprecedented. I've had almost zero tinnitus for 2 days now and mild the week before that.

What I'm experiencing directly supports Neuromod's graph showing a reduction of around 12 THI. My THI was around 25-30 and it's now down to about 10-15.

 

[Allan1967]

That does make me question why the white noise / rain sounds are in there in the first place? If they can be removed, what are they supposed to be doing while they're in the mix?

I imagine because many tinnitus sufferers use white noise or something similar? Perhaps they thought this would just add to the relaxing experience.

 

[JohnAdams]

Since March 10th, 2019; so 5 months.

My tinnitus varies, but this period of quietness is unprecedented. I've had almost zero tinnitus for 2 days now and mild the week before that.

What I'm experiencing directly supports Neuromod's graph showing a reduction of around 12 THI. My THI was around 25-30 and it's now down to about 10-15.

I wonder if you're responding so quickly because you've started this relatively recently to your onset. What do you think?

 

[hans799]

Hot damn, some great news right here. I'll be happy all Monday.

(Also: note the shift in the mood of the the thread. Remember that we were all doom and gloom just a few days ago and now it's all smiles and rainbows because early adopters posted favorable news? Not that I want to gloat but I called it )

 

[drcross]

I wanted to chime in here since I heard about Redknight's update via Reddit. I'm slightly over 7 weeks since I got the Lenire device and I've heard a noticeable reduction in the tone amplitude of tinnitus.

I have missed about 4/5 days worth of treatment over the 7 weeks because my life schedule is what many would class as irregular, it's quite a commitment to use the device for an hour a day in total, especially since the music pattern repeats in the exact same way which can be quite tedious because I have to drop everything that I'm doing until it's finished. Some of you will balk at the previous sentence but you don't know my situation.

Some days my tinnitus is mostly gone and then surprisingly it comes back to its previous level. After a night's sleep it will reduce to a lower level again, and in totality my tinnitus is mostly improved. The relief that this brings actually makes you "recharged" enough to put up with tinnitus when it goes back to its previous level. Hope that makes sense.

Check my post history for previous Q&As about the product. I'll answer any questions you have if I can.

 

[GoatSheep]

I imagine because many tinnitus sufferers use white noise or something similar? Perhaps they thought this would just add to the relaxing experience.

I'd say you're probably right. They should realize it's not one size fits all though. I'm like you, white noise spikes me horribly. You'd think if they were optional sounds then they'd allow you to pick them up front.

Then again perhaps starting with all the sounds is part of the data they're gathering and could be useful in some way.

 

[GlennS]

I'm slightly over 7 weeks since I got the Lenire device

If you're that far in have you had it recalibrated yet?

 

[drcross]

If you're that far in have you had it recalibrated yet?

Not yet, that's coming up soon.

 

[Notch]

I'd say you're probably right. They should realize it's not one size fits all though. I'm like you, white noise spikes me horribly. You'd think if they were optional sounds then they'd allow you to pick them up front.

Then again perhaps starting with all the sounds is part of the data they're gathering and could be useful in some way.

From Neuromod's Phase I study:

"The auditory stimulus was spectrally broad (wideband noise) and contained a high rate of temporal events (recording of rainfall) mixed with classical music (recordings of piano works by Erik Satie). The wideband sound stimulates a broad spectrum of auditory pathways while the music provides a focal point in the soundscape to aid the user maintain attention (29)."

They may have changed the sounds used since then though.

 

[Ruse]

From Neuromod's Phase I study:

"The auditory stimulus was spectrally broad (wideband noise) and contained a high rate of temporal events (recording of rainfall) mixed with classical music (recordings of piano works by Erik Satie). The wideband sound stimulates a broad spectrum of auditory pathways while the music provides a focal point in the soundscape to aid the user maintain attention (29)."

They may have changed the sounds used since then though.

White noise is wide band sound FYI.

 

[Luman]

Is the cost for Lenire covered by medical benefits in Ireland?

 

[drcross]

Is the cost for Lenire covered by medical benefits in Ireland?

It's so new it's not covered on the medical card nor by private health insurance. It's only €2,000 EUR so who cares.

 

[Candy]

@drcross how long have you had tinnitus for and can you describe your pre-treatment tinnitus?

Couldn't see this in your posts, apologies if I've missed it.

 

[Ervink108]

I wanted to chime in here since I heard about Redknight's update via Reddit. I'm slightly over 7 weeks since I got the Lenire device and I've heard a noticeable reduction in the tone amplitude of tinnitus.

I have missed about 4/5 days worth of treatment over the 7 weeks because my life schedule is what many would class as irregular, it's quite a commitment to use the device for an hour a day in total, especially since the music pattern repeats in the exact same way which can be quite tedious because I have to drop everything that I'm doing until it's finished. Some of you will balk at the previous sentence but you don't know my situation.

Some days my tinnitus is mostly gone and then surprisingly it comes back to its previous level. After a night's sleep it will reduce to a lower level again, and in totality my tinnitus is mostly improved. The relief that this brings actually makes you "recharged" enough to put up with tinnitus when it goes back to its previous level. Hope that makes sense.

Check my post history for previous Q&As about the product. I'll answer any questions you have if I can.

Hi drcross,

When did your tinnitus originally start? Do you have any measurable hearing loss?

 

[Redknight]

in totality my tinnitus is mostly improved. The relief that this brings actually makes you "recharged" enough to put up with tinnitus when it goes back to its previous level. Hope that makes sense.

This is exactly how I feel and it makes the anecdotes from the trial participants start to make sense to me.

When they essentially say they are happier, but don't necessarily say that their tinnitus is quieter. Lenire gives me significant periods of rest from tinnitus. Sometimes that's genuine reduced loudness, sometimes it's just less buzzy or the tonality is more manageable. But also, when it goes back to baseline for a few hours, because I had to do a long drive or sit in a busy meeting, I cope better because I believe it will calm back down and I'm more rested from the previous calm.

 

[valeri]

@Allan1967

During your next visit maybe you can ask what's Neuromod's opinion on reactive tinnitus?

 

[Sironketchup]

So happy to hear about your success guys! Maybe you can get cured if it helps so early on. The neuroplastic process should carry on even after the treatment.

Neuromod, hurry up with the appointments and get more clinics!

We just need to carry on for maybe a year!

 

[ruud1boy]

You'd think if they were optional sounds then they'd allow you to pick them up front.

I asked when I went for my 'fitting' whether there were any options on the sounds that the machine would present - they said there were none. It would be extremely useful for a later iteration of the device - if it gets that far - to have a couple of user selectable sound patterns to choose from. We know they're watching these threads, so there you go Neuromod - add that to the list.

 

[TibuJenkins]

This is exactly how I feel and it makes the anecdotes from the trial participants start to make sense to me.

When they essentially say they are happier, but don't necessarily say that their tinnitus is quieter. Lenire gives me significant periods of rest from tinnitus. Sometimes that's genuine reduced loudness, sometimes it's just less buzzy or the tonality is more manageable. But also, when it goes back to baseline for a few hours, because I had to do a long drive or sit in a busy meeting, I cope better because I believe it will calm back down and I'm more rested from the previous calm.

I saw your post in the User Experiences thread. Just wanted to let you know that you've made someone's day half way across the world a lot better. I am in a very similar position to yourself as my tinnitus started in December 2018 because of a botched micro-suction at my ENT. 2020 or 2021 is looking to be a great year for those of us outside of Ireland/Europe.

Could you tell a little bit more about your routine for treatment? Do you space it out across morning/evening? What do you do while having the treatment?

Thanks a bunch and I hope you come out of this completely cured!

 

[newbieT]

Good to hear these great feedback!!

I actually came across this news article today about a neuromodulation device available in Canada, and I was like omg they approved Lenire here?? (I'm from Canada).

Turns out it's a different device aimed at traumatic brain injury but same concept at trying to rewire the brain through neuroplasticity. Looks like other fields have also taken to this type of device for research and treatment!

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/video-calgary-clinic-using-new-device-for-neural-therapy/

 

[acute]

@Redknight

Did you have noise trauma or too much noise exposure? What's the cause of your tinnitus?

 

[Redknight]

I saw your post in the User Experiences thread. Just wanted to let you know that you've made someone's day half way across the world a lot better. I am in a very similar position to yourself as my tinnitus started in December 2018 because of a botched micro-suction at my ENT. 2020 or 2021 is looking to be a great year for those of us outside of Ireland/Europe.

Could you tell a little bit more about your routine for treatment? Do you space it out across morning/evening? What do you do while having the treatment?

Thanks a bunch and I hope you come out of this completely cured!

You ask an interesting question, which potentially could affect treatment in my opinion.

I do 2 X 30 mins sessions a day. The first at 12:00ish (I only ever vary the time by about 30 mins; no more) and the second at 21:00 (again, I try and not vary the time of treatment, as per Neuromod's instructions).

I try my best to do nothing during the treatment, but it's very hard, given that it's ridiculously tedious. I often reach for my phone to check this thread or end up on Facebook. I'd say I successfully ignore my phone and do nothing for about half of each session if I'm honest.

 

[Heinrich_S7]

Those lukewarm testimonial videos are starting to make a lot more sense.

I saw your post in the User Experiences thread. Just wanted to let you know that you've made someone's day half way across the world a lot better. I am in a very similar position to yourself as my tinnitus started in December 2018 because of a botched micro-suction at my ENT. 2020 or 2021 is looking to be a great year for those of us outside of Ireland/Europe.

Could you tell a little bit more about your routine for treatment? Do you space it out across morning/evening? What do you do while having the treatment?

Thanks a bunch and I hope you come out of this completely cured!

Heh, let's hope it's December or before.

I've actually called Neuromod a few days ago, apparently they *are* currently speaking with the FDA for US approval. If they can truly get it in 2019 that would be great. At least that was what Ross O'Neill said they were going for.

 

[Pianist_Will]

Have we got any idea when Lenire might be coming to London?

I seem to remember a previous post somewhere from a while ago suggesting Neuromod might be linking up with The Tinnitus Clinic to provide Lenire?

If so, let's hope they stick to the same price structure they have for Ireland! The Tinnitus Clinic has crazy prices for their other 'treatments'.

 

[Bndsmheowqhe]

Heh, let's hope it's December or before.

I've actually called Neuromod a few days ago, apparently they *are* currently speaking with the FDA for US approval. If they can truly get it in 2019 that would be great. At least that was what Ross O'Neill said they were going for.

I'm concerned about the 4 visit protocol. The US is such a geographically large country and these clinics will likely only be in a few cities to begin with. Having to take four $1000 plane trips + travel expenses isn't much better than going to Ireland.

 

[Heinrich_S7]

I'm concerned about the 4 visit protocol. The US is such a geographically large country and these clinics will likely only be in a few cities to begin with. Having to take four $1000 plane trips + travel expenses isn't much better than going to Ireland.

I'm a Canadian/US Citizen who lives next to NY (I'm in Ontario, 5 minutes from the border), I think in my situation I'm safe since NY state is in the heart of the US. If you're out in the Midwest though I can definitely see your point, and I'd have to agree flying across country ain't much better.

The US is Neuromod's largest market, and thus it's their largest target for approval. I think in a reasonable amount of time many clinics across America will have it.

 

[dayma]

I'm concerned about the 4 visit protocol. The US is such a geographically large country and these clinics will likely only be in a few cities to begin with. Having to take four $1000 plane trips + travel expenses isn't much better than going to Ireland.

No customs to worry about though which are a drag in general

 

[Bndsmheowqhe]

I'm a Canadian/US Citizen who lives next to NY (I'm in Ontario, 5 minutes from the border), I think in my situation I'm safe since NY state is in the heart of the US. If you're out in the Midwest though I can definitely see your point, and I'd have to agree flying across country ain't much better.

The US is Neuromod's largest market, and thus it's their largest target for approval. I think in a reasonable amount of time many clinics across America will have it.

Let's just say that from my state driving to New York would literally be an impossibility.

 

[KotaDomowa]

@jacob21 has a new avatar...

 

[Chinmoku]

Have we got any idea when Lenire might be coming to London?

I seem to remember a previous post somewhere from a while ago suggesting Neuromod might be linking up with The Tinnitus Clinic to provide Lenire?

If so, let's hope they stick to the same price structure they have for Ireland! The Tinnitus Clinic has crazy prices for their other 'treatments'.

Some said it will be the Tinnitus Treatment Centre, not the Tinnitus Clinic. It would be good to know.