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I was thinking about a long ass comment to make, I don't know how to respond to this other then thank you alot! I really think I am just really good an exposing scammers and corruption. I ain't the kind of person that raises tinnitus, hyperacusis awareness and I'm too much of a brainlet to understand the science papers @JohnAdams has shown me in the past. Let's hope I get better even though two months ago I was making an amazing recovery before getting significantly worse.WOW the legend itself, the king of MPP has returned, welcome back. We all missed you so much.
I hope you will stay around, what you told me about your health is horrible, but I feel the support and love you will get here maybe will help you carry on with hard bundles of life. It does help me. Stay strong. Nobody deserves to suffer as much as you do, but life and technology always evolves and changes. There might be brighter days ahead.
Somehow the wrong quote was placed in my response to you so please accept my apologies. Anyhow, I refer you to my post above where I have written about tinnitus being 90% mental and the way it affects the mind. I have also written additional posts on this which are available on my started threads, should you wish to read them. It is treatment that you require if you want to overcome tinnitus and lead a better fulfilling life and this can be achieved. Of course there is an alternative, which is associating with negative thinking people that complain all day long 365 days for the year, at this forum and other social media platforms because a cure for tinnitus hasn't been found.
Blaming their government and healthcare professionals for this terrible affliction that has befallen upon them. Instead of looking at the positive things in their life and being thankful. If one is able to work, attend college or University and not stuck at home unable to do anything because of their tinnitus which is the case for some people, then they should be thankful for that. Someone that does all the above that I have mentioned may still have problematic tinnitus then they should try and seek help and in most cases it is available. However, if one is fixated on a cure and nothing else is acceptable, then they will never make any improvement.
Michael
I realised a long time ago that in reading Michael Leigh you have to consistently attempt to separate the wheat from the chaff.
He keeps returning to this and other posts to reiterate that he will not be returning to this post?
He also wishes us all 'a good day' - several times a day? (Bless him x)
Good luck you lot in unearthing some wheat.
He keeps returning to this and other posts to reiterate that he will not be returning to this post?
He also wishes us all 'a good day' - several times a day? (Bless him x)
Good luck you lot in unearthing some wheat.
I have worked my whole life beside people suffering from illness and I cannot think of another physical condition were people refer to it as being a mental issue.
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Really? That happens with just about every poorly understood chronic condition there is. Fibromyalgia, IBS, chronic pain, chronic headache, ME/CFS are all repeatedly referred to by doctors and in the medical literature as being primarily psychological.
The interesting thing is stomach ulcers, Multiple Sclerosis, inflammatory bowel disease all used to be thought of as psychological until more was understood about them
They say there is a rule in medicine whereby the lesson is understood about a condition, the more the psychological element is emphasised
Stress can make almost every illness worse, but to be fair, with certain disorders like pain, it is a bigger factor then with others.
But if you take, for example, stomach ulcers, stress can definitely make them worse, yet ultimately they were found to have a very clear-cut treatable cause-Helicobacter pylori bacteria. I'm not saying that would happen for fibromyalgia, tinnitus et cetera-one day more will be understood about the causes, but it won't happen in such a clear-cut way.But it may be 20 years down the line when more is understood, the psychological will be emphasised less
The point is it's not either/or. Stress can be a big factor in a condition without it being 90% psychological. The only way that the "90% mental" can be argued to be true is that when there are pretty much no treatments for disorder, all you are left with is the way you deal with it. And given just how many chronic conditions are untreatable, this is actually very important
I got my first chronic illness when I was 20. I spent many years thinking I could gain control of it if I just kept trying new things. If I could turn back time, I would know that I couldn't make it go away, and all I could change was my attitude to it, I wish I had let it hold me back less. So I agree with the 90% mental thing there
But on the other hand, people are right to say newbies could interpret Michael's post as if you gain mental control over the condition it will get quieter and that's not necessarily true
1)Many chronic conditions can be modified in severity by reducing stress or the mental approach, but Usually only to a limited extent
2)Doctors and society often interpret this as the condition is 90% Psychological. This isn't correct. It is only one's
approach to the condition that is 90% psychological, and this is a different thing
3)This failure to make that distinction causes a HUGE amount of frustration with many chronic illnesses, with suffers feeling like they're being blamed for the condition
It also, as @John Adams repeatedly points out, tends to divert research funding from the physiological causes of the disorder towards psychological management techniques, which is not good
Sorry for the rant essay but I have spent 18 effing years with a fun variety of chronic conditions that I inevitably get blamed for I've had a lot of time to think about it
I get that, all of what you are saying. I'm well aware that your mental attitude and reaction can help you come through this but that's not the case for everybody unfortunately. You are like a glitch in the matrix Fish, not everybody has your resolve mate. When people say it's 90% mental (which I fully understand what he's saying btw) I thinks it's wrong. Tell that to the family and friends of the people who have taken their lives because of this, it's basically saying oh well if you were a bit more tough mentally and had a more positive outlook maybe they wouldn't be dead, it's a disservice. Facts are no matter how mentally tough or the amount of positivity you have some people are not built to deal with this.
I would tell anybody to try whatever they can to help get through this, hell even if they try TRT which I disagree with for many reasons to go for it even though it doesn't help the cause of a cure I can't see people suffering. I will always say to tomorrow is another day but for some the thought of another day is just too much.
The point we are trying to make its two separate issues, ones physical and the other mental that's it, as much as they feed into each they are indeed separate. You may help the psychological part but the ringing is still there regardless of your reaction to it. This is part of the reason why we don't have a known cure, because T is not taking seriously enough because it's all lumped together and then plasters are placed on a wound which won't heal. While many will live a "normal" life what about the ones that can't?!
Michael are going to tell us what this other 10% supposedly is?
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Sorry to hear you have suffered a variety of chronic conditions and have been blamed for them
I understand what you mean, yes the medical community do see many conditions as psychological. I was referring to not seeing the actual people suffering from physical conditions saying it was a mental condition.
I always hated when Drs would talk behind patients backs saying the problem was all in their heads. Yes stress can exacerbate many conditions and I believe stress can cause many conditions, but you make a very important point we should not refer to tinnitus as a mental condition because this does not help us research wise. So John is correct in pointing this out.
Yes having a positive outlook is always preferable, but everybody has different coping abilities and nobody should be made to feel guilty if they cant move in that direction.
I just hope everybody finds someway of coping with this horrid condition as best they can.
C'mon, it's been proven scientifically that Tinnitus sufferers are prone to more serious diseases. Tinnitus is a gate to new problems, and we can't avoid those problems, unless we close the gate.
It's much easier to deal with Tinnitus if you are a natural people-person. But, if you have always felt lonely in your life, and then you get Tinnitus.. Imagine how bad would that feel? I don't think such a person could face a severe Tinnitus, and still be alright.
Maybe some people are already physically and mentally handicapped, and then they get severe Tinnitus, hyperacusis and floaters. Would you keep saying to those pour souls, that it's just a mental problem to overcome? That would make them feel even worse, as they were already suffering before they got Tinnitus, so nothing is, in their control.
Tinnitus is like ADHD. No matter what you do - It can still make you distracted, angry, anxious, bored, etc. I have heard somewhere, that having an ADHD is like hearing multiple distracting noises at the same time, and then trying to concentrate or something.
It's much easier to deal with Tinnitus if you are a natural people-person. But, if you have always felt lonely in your life, and then you get Tinnitus.. Imagine how bad would that feel? I don't think such a person could face a severe Tinnitus, and still be alright.
Maybe some people are already physically and mentally handicapped, and then they get severe Tinnitus, hyperacusis and floaters. Would you keep saying to those pour souls, that it's just a mental problem to overcome? That would make them feel even worse, as they were already suffering before they got Tinnitus, so nothing is, in their control.
Tinnitus is like ADHD. No matter what you do - It can still make you distracted, angry, anxious, bored, etc. I have heard somewhere, that having an ADHD is like hearing multiple distracting noises at the same time, and then trying to concentrate or something.
@Jcb
Whenever you wish to ask me a question, please do so in the usual manner by using the @ as I only saw your question by chance. As long as your correspondence is done with respect then I will reply to you.
For me to tell you what the other 10% is you first have to accept that tinnitus is 90% mental, otherwise there's no point giving you the additional information that you ask. I am not being difficult but tinnitus is a learning curve. Once habituation is achieved or a person is on the path towards it they will start to notice changes in their life. They will become more positive and the negativity that was once at the forefront of their mind will recede into the background. As yet I do not believe you have accepted what I have said about tinnitus being 90% mental.
So there is no misunderstanding, I am not saying the tinnitus noise can be reduced by pure thought alone, on the contrary. However, a lot can be achieved as fishbone, I and others in this forum believe in positive mental attitude. It is process and doesn't happen overnight. Please read my post again on this thread and then click on the links below and read further information on acquiring a positive mental attitude. Sometimes specialist help is required and a person may need to see a Hearing Therapist or Audiologist. At the moment there is no cure for tinnitus but to bleat, moan and groan all day as some people do saying why hasn't a cure been found, is not healthy in my opinion as it often makes the situation worse.
All the best
Michael
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/tinnitus-and-the-negative-mindset.23705/
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/acquiring-a-positive-mindset.23969/
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/the-habituation-process.20767/
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/is-positivity-important.23150/
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/positivity-and-tinnitus.12060/
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/changes-in-tinnitus-and-how-to-cope.12067/
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/staying-positive-with-tinnitus.12069/
https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/standing-tall.12070/
Mate read my above post I've already said I believe a positive mental attitude can help towards it, this I agree with you Michael. Unfortunately it's not the same for everybody, you see this is as black and white and it's not by far, everybody is different and reacts differently.
What do you mean I have to accept that's it 90% mental before you can tell me?? Whatcha talking about Willis??
I'm not fixated on a cure by any means, I'm just taking things day by day trying to keep my head above water.
As I've said I know tinnitus and mental health are interwoven into each other but ones physical the other psychological, fix the mental part but the noise is still there regardless if you are living a normal life or not, this is what I mean when I say they are two separate issues and we shouldn't be saying it's mostly mental as it's an insult to people who can't overcome this or take their Lives. They are two separate issues, this attitude is why research is so lacking compared to other ailments and if I'm honest I don't think the Tinnitus community helps itself with this either but that's another issue (oh feck I sound like a parrot repeating myself apologies peoples apologies)
I'm not going to read your posts as I have already when I first joined and I don't know how to say this without sounding like a tool but they are extremely long winded and you seem a write a lot but don't say much at the same time.
- Jan 1, 2019
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- Tinnitus Since
- Steadily worsening since 2018
- Cause of Tinnitus
- Unknown
What did I just read
"For me to tell you what the other 10% is you first have to accept that tinnitus is 90% mental, otherwise there's no point giving you the additional information that you ask. I am no t being difficult but tinnitus is a learning curve."
Wat
"For me to tell you what the other 10% is you first have to accept that tinnitus is 90% mental, otherwise there's no point giving you the additional information that you ask. I am no t being difficult but tinnitus is a learning curve."
Wat
What we need to do is figure out if there is a way to activate WNT/Beta-Catenin pathways in healthy stem cells without activating them in cancer cells. That is really all that is needed to make hair cells regrow.
Anyone else in here understand molecular biology?
Anyone else in here understand molecular biology?
If your message gets frequently misinterpreted, maybe you should examine how it's conveyed.
Quit playing games and explain it then. Really you sound like a bullshit artist.
So is your audience only tinnitus experts? You should probably be clearer about that too.
Damn dude, you are really fuck'in mean and arrogant. You're even meaner than I am.
Mate I'm dyslexic not stupid, showing us your arrogance and rudeness again I see. Don't think your mum and dad would approve of your conduct Michael shame on you, shame on you. So in other words you are not sure it's in your 23 years of experience and self knowledge handbook?? Avoiding answering the question again when you don't know the answer by shifting the focus, I'm shocked.
What is going on here is this:
We have repeatedly pointed out to Leigh his ignorance and even more so, his arrogance.
I bruised his ego enough to come here and defend himself, which he cannot. Maybe in his mind he thinks he can or something.
He's getting his shit mixed and he knows it, and now won't even answer our questions because he says we are too ignorant to even understand his brilliant wisdom.
It's called being a bullshit artist and a sore loser.
Simplified example:
Person 1: I say X.
Person 2. You're wrong about X.
Person 1: No I'm not, you just don't understand.
Person 2: Okay then, explain it.
Person 1: I won't explain it because you won't understand that either.
And that my friends is how you avoid having to defend your position. It's called ad hominem attacks. Instead of defending your position, you attack the character of your opponent.
We have repeatedly pointed out to Leigh his ignorance and even more so, his arrogance.
I bruised his ego enough to come here and defend himself, which he cannot. Maybe in his mind he thinks he can or something.
He's getting his shit mixed and he knows it, and now won't even answer our questions because he says we are too ignorant to even understand his brilliant wisdom.
It's called being a bullshit artist and a sore loser.
Simplified example:
Person 1: I say X.
Person 2. You're wrong about X.
Person 1: No I'm not, you just don't understand.
Person 2: Okay then, explain it.
Person 1: I won't explain it because you won't understand that either.
And that my friends is how you avoid having to defend your position. It's called ad hominem attacks. Instead of defending your position, you attack the character of your opponent.
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