New University of Michigan Tinnitus Discovery — Signal Timing

Did you have a bad experience with one regarding your tinnitus?
I've actually never operated one; growing up my dad did all that stuff and wouldn't let me near them, then I lived in cities for 20 years. We have a bunch of annual chainsaw work now that needs to be done, but I'm going to hire someone because from what I can gather they can be much louder than motorcycles, which is about the edge of what I'll subject myself to.

I realize there's a wide variance in power of saws, but, the thickest of the stuff we need to cut through is probably > 36", so, we're talking a big loud scary deal. Chainsaws basically strike me as unreasonably dangerous, just like motorcycles and guns -- but saws seem a lot less fun.
 
I've actually never operated one; growing up my dad did all that stuff and wouldn't let me near them, then I lived in cities for 20 years. We have a bunch of annual chainsaw work now that needs to be done, but I'm going to hire someone because from what I can gather they can be much louder than motorcycles, which is about the edge of what I'll subject myself to.

I realize there's a wide variance in power of saws, but, the thickest of the stuff we need to cut through is probably > 36", so, we're talking a big loud scary deal. Chainsaws basically strike me as unreasonably dangerous, just like motorcycles and guns -- but saws seem a lot less fun.
I deal with one everyday, they're 120db. Yeah for a 36inch log you'll need a big ground saw like a Sthil 361, extremely loud. I've managed to avoid the big saw so far.
 
I don't care how much it costs, where do I get one? After 20 years of this horror I'll pay anything to even get a 50% reduction. This is exactly my tinnitus, when I move my jaw my tinnitus changes pitch. Please when this is for sale contact me, price is not an problem.
 
Been following Susan Shore for sometime. I have ridiculously loud tinnitus after coping for ten years it soared after dental work. Noise trauma originally but with... tooth issues.

I have spoken to her a few times also and been sooooo hopeful on news and this is exciting.

From biting my jaw I can not only change the pitch but play a tune. Even the slightest jaw moving changes it. Essentially your sensory nerves that have - missing limb issues trying to find an input and your auditory nerve also missing input, crosses over. There is a lot of complexity but basically your sensory nerve is filling in for your auditory.

I think someone commented saying not for me as mine is all nerve damage - no - opposite. As this teaches your auditory nerve to be just that and your sensory nerve to again do its job and not cross over.

Makes sense to why also you can't cut your auditory nerve to silence tinnitus as it's sensory nerve in origin once that plasticity takes effect.

The genius link up and won't ever remove it but will split the nerves back and reduce it hard over time and use.

Now I don't post much as have two kids and every day is a living hell given the new tinnitus is louder than a jet engine and just trying to work and not keep wanting to stick a knitting needle in my ear is a daily challenge. Warning tinnitus can get so much worse so never take it for granted and forget.

This is however for real tinnitus sufferers as in -noise induced with some form sensory nerve damage be that via vibration, tooth abscess whatever it was - but the noise damage.I hate this site for people saying they had a cup of tea or some vitamins and it went away. Sorry you didn't have real volume if it's blood pressure or some other mild form and sort of makes me mad when so many posts are for some mild gentle ringing I would pray to go back to....Someone's posting they cant get to sleep when it's like 30 decibels and can only be masked with music or meditation. Some forms.... can't and I habituated before but after 60 decibels and three different dead zones...let me tell you, you can't habituate....

Regardless to the real sufferers out there let's hope they get this moving out quickly as even a ten percent drop will be a godsend.

Susan Shore's work makes sense it can explain many of the phenomenon and reasons why nerve trauma plus noise damage equals cross over.

@Petersi1981 right with you bro

@Contrast - yes far quicker than a drug. See mute button that's a more basic version of doing the same thing (didn't work well but still tries to stimulate sensory to separate it from auditory due to same Cross over etc) which had FDA or some European approval in quick time. Here is hoping it's at speed and not OTT in pricing.

@Lawrence Glickman sounds like you had good news but your sort of wrong being so negative ....as this is specifically for noise based tinnitus that can be modulated by sensory nerves so - already limits it to the shrill hair damage and sensory cross over so for those sufferers which is the bulk of people who have it through trauma and not say disease or blood pressure simple blood flow issues then this ultimately is for over 70 percent of the sufferers out there. So while yor statement is true this already states and limits who it's effective for not just a "tinnitus" cure where your statement would be correct.

PS.
Spoken to the university about doing a UK trial. They need to cast the net wider as to get ideal tinnitus that's modulated by neck etc and a severity that will show a meaningful drop, or Michigan only will be diluted with the "I took vitamin b and it went / helps" types that this will have nil impact on.

I'm sure we are all asking for a wider net or at least the manufacturing instructions. Laters

Keep the faith.
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If anyone has severe hearing loss would this still help since you need to hear the tones?
 
This isn't new news though is it, nobody has told me anything I didn't know before about it. It's just only being picked up by the media now for it.

Anybody wanting real facts about the trial should see @Aaron123 last comment about it and even though it is 'promising', it should be treated with caution.
 
@Aaron123 I'm taking a positive progressive view with a larger study that will focus on both neurophysiological and pathological hypersynchrony thru the use of a somatic physiology examination / pain. Not just health trial requirements with justification focused on modulation findings.

In the first study, stimulation being of a transcutaneous nature was only positioned on the skin overlying either the trigeminal ganglion or the cervical spinal cord in the region of C2.

Each person of the 60- 80% that can modulate also have different spectrum traumatic associations. There's four major somatic definition areas for somatic tinnitus besides corresponding nerve supply routes and centers. They include the C spine, SCM, trapezius and temporalis muscles and joint areas, and the vagus nerve / trigeminal.

Beyond the definition areas is the physical or physiology connections - The cervical spine with most emphasis on disc regions C1 and C2, spondylosis, joint hypertrophy / facet arthritis, disc narrowing C5 - C7 with or without trauma loss of normal lordosis are all noted as causing somatic T.

So this new study will include the pain factor areas and not just modulation this and that. That's a big difference. There's differences between trial phases and we must consider that.

@Paulmanlike From a lifetime of examining clinical trials, data from a previous study means little until a form of regulation acceptance is needed. With trials on a procedure that are non drug related, expansion criteria and some redesigning will take place. We know that these studies won't provide a cure, but until a drug, hearing or stem cell company gets front page headlines, then this type of research is all the hopefuls here and elsewhere have.
 
This is great news, I hope they put it on a fast track since its non-invasive. I'll buy a unit for sure. I've been inactive for a while. I'm doing better. I've managed to go from 4 mg of benzos to 3/4 of one per day. My anxiety is much better. Dr. put me on Atenotol and Nudextra. Still not out of the darkness but much better. Godspeed!
 
My tinnitus is constantly worsened by vibrations, driving, walking, anything that makes my inner ear vibrate, I don't understand how but hopefully this can help me too.
 
The University of Michigan team, based on research they had done with guinea pigs, created (and patented) a device they think can retrain the brain circuitry involved in causing at least some cases of tinnitus.
That's great news! I hope it'll be available on amazon soon.
 
Found this on Reddit from a person that says they were one of the recruited volunteers:

"How did you get your tinnitus? How long have you had it?
Some combination of childhood ear infections, noise exposure and benzo drug exposure caused me to first notice the condition during a period of severe anxiety in 1999. It was stable and not especially distracting until it became violently worse following a concert in 2010. (As a result of the tinnitus, I was generally very good about earpro at shows and even bars, but, just like with birth control, all it takes is one screw up).

After 2 weeks of use, my tinnitus was less intrusive, somewhat harder to hear in environments with ambient noises going on, and generally I found it much less distressing and on my mind a lot less.

They're hoping to be on the market in the early 2020s, but who knows -- if the phase-II study doesn't produce good results, then it's hard to say what'll happen."
 
Found this on Reddit from a person that says they were one of the recruited volunteers:

"How did you get your tinnitus? How long have you had it?
Some combination of childhood ear infections, noise exposure and benzo drug exposure caused me to first notice the condition during a period of severe anxiety in 1999. It was stable and not especially distracting until it became violently worse following a concert in 2010. (As a result of the tinnitus, I was generally very good about earpro at shows and even bars, but, just like with birth control, all it takes is one screw up).

After 2 weeks of use, my tinnitus was less intrusive, somewhat harder to hear in environments with ambient noises going on, and generally I found it much less distressing and on my mind a lot less.

They're hoping to be on the market in the early 2020s, but who knows -- if the phase-II study doesn't produce good results, then it's hard to say what'll happen."
With these news DBS and VNS will stop their clinical trials
 
Dr. Shore was interviewed on Science Friday (along with Charles Liberman). Very interesting listen.
https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/a-temporary-relief-for-tinnitus-sufferers/ Worth noting that Dr. Shore is asked if she thinks tinnitus is curable, and she says it is "probably a preventable problem". She does say she thinks "we can make it not as bothersome" for at least some groups of people.
 
Dr. Shore was interviewed on Science Friday (along with Charles Liberman). Very interesting listen.
https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/a-temporary-relief-for-tinnitus-sufferers/ Worth noting that Dr. Shore is asked if she thinks tinnitus is curable, and she says it is "probably a preventable problem". She does say she thinks "we can make it not as bothersome" for at least some groups of people.

Largely prentable for sure if there was more awareness but hopefully treatable as well for us that are on the other side of fence!
For me "not bothersome" would be as good as cure!
 
All my life... I was told... loud noises will make you go deaf... when I'm told make you go deaf... I'm thinking... losing hearing...

I was never told... a loud tone will appear and never go away...

Praying Susan Shore's device works.
 
Dr. Shore was interviewed on Science Friday (along with Charles Liberman). Very interesting listen.
https://www.sciencefriday.com/segments/a-temporary-relief-for-tinnitus-sufferers/ Worth noting that Dr. Shore is asked if she thinks tinnitus is curable, and she says it is "probably a preventable problem". She does say she thinks "we can make it not as bothersome" for at least some groups of people.
This seems strangely lacking in confidence for someone who is trying to make it not as bothersome. Her response about if it's curable isn't particularly hopeful either.
 
This seems strangely lacking in confidence for someone who is trying to make it not as bothersome. Her response about if it's curable isn't particularly hopeful either.
I think she wanted to be prudent rather than hopeful. Actually, I found her message quite positive for the coming years.
 
Finally, a glimmer of hope. Not just abstract bromides such as "medicine advances so quickly", but a concrete company. Go Susan Shore, also go Frequency Therapeutics, maybe I will know silence in this lifetime (was born with tinnitus...).
 
I just want to point out that I received an e-mail from ATA and this research was funded by them in 2011. I don't come here as often, but in my time there were a lot of complaints "Oh my god, no-one does anything, ATA is worthless, researchers are clueless, etc.". So, for those who need proof, here it is. Donate to ATA (U.S.), TRI (Europe) and of course TinnitusTalk. If everyone does their part, even if it's a small part, we all can help to accomplish big things.

I'll paste the e-mail bellow:

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Researchers at the University of Michigan recently published results in Science Translation Medicine on a unique tinnitus treatment device aimed at resetting nerve activity in the brain to quell the phantom sounds of tinnitus. The paper reports encouraging results from the first animal tests and a small clinical trial with 20 tinnitus patients. Study details can be read here. A concise news report can be found at: https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/lab-report/first-test-specially-timed-signals-ease-tinnitus-symptoms.

The team of researchers, led by Susan Shore, Ph.D., at the Kresge Hearing Research Institute – a part of the Department of Otolaryngology at Michigan Medicine – built on research that had its origins in a 2011 ATA grant for "Somatosensory Influence on Physiological and Behavioral Correlates of Tinnitus – Towards an Effective Technique for Alleviating Tinnitus." (Read past ATA funded research).

The research explored fusiform cells and their role in tinnitus perception. Funding was continued by such organizations as the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Coulter Foundation.

The current experimental device, which is not commercially available, is aimed at a particular type of tinnitus sufferer: those who can temporarily alter their tinnitus symptoms by clenching their jaws, extending their tongues, or turning or flexing their necks. The next round of research, which is being funded by the NIH, is expected to begin late summer.

Recruitment for the clinical trial is expected to begin early 2018. Information will be available on Clinicaltrials.gov six months prior to the start of the trial. For more information on the trial, email: tinn.trial@umich.edu.​
 
Auditory-somatosensory bimodal stimulation

Dear Tinnitus Talk members.

Some of you may already have heard of the above treatment for tinnitus, which is in development at the moment. For those that haven't and might be interested to know more. Please click on the links below. There is also a PDF document on the website that explains: Auditory-somatosensory bimodal stimulation in detail.

Michael

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/tinnitus-sound-treatment/

http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/10/422/eaal3175

http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/scitransmed/10/422/eaal3175.full.pdf
 
Hi Michael
I read about this in the week, would be wonderful if it could help us all. My T is very long term, 1992 induced by audiologist. It got so much worse in November 2017 that I had a clinical depression breakdown.
I'm still very fragile and the T has gone to the other ear also. You put a lot of very helpful information here, so thank you for all your efforts. Eve
 
Hi Michael
I read about this in the week, would be wonderful if it could help us all. My T is very long term, 1992 induced by audiologist. It got so much worse in November 2017 that I had a clinical depression breakdown.
I'm still very fragile and the T has gone to the other ear also. You put a lot of very helpful information here, so thank you for all your efforts. Eve


Hi @Nanny chocolate,

Thank you.

A friend of mine sent me the link to this new treatment as she knows my tinnitus can be severe. I never heard about it until now. I wish the developers every success with it. I am sorry to hear your tinnitus has increased and causing you problems. I hope you are able to get some help and relief soon.

Take care
Michael
 
Auditory-somatosensory bimodal stimulation

Dear Tinnitus Talk members.

Some of you may already have heard of the above treatment for tinnitus, which is in development at the moment. For those that haven't and might be interested to know more. Please click on the links below. There is also a PDF document on the website that explains: Auditory-somatosensory bimodal stimulation in detail.

Michael

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/tinnitus-sound-treatment/

http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/10/422/eaal3175

http://stm.sciencemag.org/content/scitransmed/10/422/eaal3175.full.pdf
For the first time you have posted something interesting.
 
Happy to see it hit media.

Link: https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/healt...46819#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=Facebook&_gsc=gu9mGJf

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Researchers may have made the first steps in developing an effective treatment for the common and often debilitating hearing problem called tinnitus.

As many as 15 per cent of Canadians suffer from chronic tinnitus, a condition marked by a persistent perception of ringing or buzzing in the ears. The phantom ringing often impairs concentration and can sound loud enough to make even the simplest of day-to-day activities difficult.

There is no cure for chronic tinnitus and the only way to manage it is with counselling to lessen a sufferer's awareness of the sounds, and "sound therapy," which uses other, louder sounds to drown out the tinnitus .

But a group of U.S. and Canadian researchers has been testing whether a device that delivers audio and sensory stimulation can address the problem at the source.

The device, developed and patented at the University of Michigan, delivers brief sounds through headphones as well as mild electrical pulses to the neck or cheek.

A study published this week in the journal Science Translational Medicine found the device helped to significantly reduce the perceived volume, or loudness, of the tinnitus ringing in more than half the patients who tried it. In two patients, it helped eliminate symptoms altogether.

Dr. Larry Roberts, a researcher at the Human Neural Plasticity Lab at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ont. who helped develop the device, explains that the scientific understanding of tinnitus has evolved significantly in recent years. Tinnitus was once assumed to be a problem with the inner ear, but recent research has found it involves a part of the brain called the cochlear nucleus.

Neurons in that structure, which is located on the brain stem between the ears, normally receive signals from the ear when sounds are heard. But when those neurons, called fusiform cells, become badly damaged -- typically by aging or exposure to a loud sound -- they stop receiving input from the ear and begin to act abnormally.

"They sort of start talking among themselves," Roberts explained to CTVNews.ca by phone. It's this continuous "talking" that generates the buzzing and ringing that's typical of tinnitus.

Other recent research has found that the cochlear nucleus receives input not just from the ear, but also from touch-sensitive cells in the neck, throat and face, called somatosensory fibres. In fact, some people with tinnitus find that if they clench their jaw, or press on their face or neck, they can temporarily stop the sounds.

So Roberts and a team working at the University of Michigan led by Dr. Susan E. Shore, recruited a group of sufferers of this type of tinnitus and tested their device on them.

Roberts explained that by delivering sound tones through headphones as well as the mild electrical pulses to the neck, the device can target the damaged, unruly fusiform cells and steer them back into normal activity.

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"If you present auditory and somatosensory inputs simultaneously but separated by a brief interval – of just five milliseconds -- you can suppress the activity of the fusiform cells," he said.

Twenty patients used the device at home and their results were compared with patients who received devices that only offered the sound tones, not the electrical pulses. Eleven of the participants said the device helped reduce the volume of their tinnitus, while two said the treatment completely eliminated the ringing.

While two out of 20 patients may not seem significant, Roberts said "it's quite unusual in the literature to find any patient who becomes tinnitus-free" using the treatments that are currently available.

For the other patients who reported relief, their tinnitus became less "piercing," with the volume of the tinnitus sounds dropping by about 12 decibels. (How tinnitus volume is measured)

"That's actually quite a lot, since the average sound level of tinnitus is in the vicinity of 20 decibels," Roberts said.

"And I can assure you the average tinnitus sufferer would be very happy to reduce their tinnitus loudness by half."

The study had the participants use the device for 30 minutes a day for four weeks. Once the treatments ended, though, the patients' tinnitus returned within a week, on average.

Roberts explained the treatment is not a cure; once fusiform cells go back to receiving improper input from the ear, they begin "talking to each other" again and revert to tinnitus activity.

The next phase of study will investigate whether longer treatment sessions can suppress the tinnitus for longer, Roberts said.

Until researchers find a way of repairing damaged auditory nerves and restoring proper input from the ear to the cochlear nucleus, there will be no way to permanently eliminate tinnitus, Roberts said.

"There are a lot of labs working on that problem. The problem is not in hand though, and it's some years away," he said.

Until then, this device might one day offer some relief, he said.

"This treatment isn't very intrusive. To put this device on for 30 minutes every few days would not be difficult. So this treatment could be very useful even though it seems repeat treatment will always be necessary to quiet the tinnitus down."
 
Twenty patients used the device at home and their results were compared with patients who received devices that only offered the sound tones
So what were the results from the group of patients that were only offered the sound tones?
 

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