Overmasturbation Tinnitus?

[zerosandones]

You're probably looking into it too much but perhaps getting on an SSRI would help? There could be something going on related to your serotonin or testosterone levels. I think the only thing you can do is keep trying different things. And if the tinnitus really bothers you, don't j/o for a month and see if it goes away.

For all your other problems, I'd recommend start seeing a therapist. If you feel you're in a bad place, it's important to get help, and the sooner the better.

Best of luck.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Bill Bauer masturbates a lot is all I've gotten from this thread.

You must have had a glimpse at the early, unedited version of my post.

 

[GlennS]

Seriously... Look, tinnitus and the associated anxiety/depression is related to your pleasure centers. That's why anything else that has to do with your pleasure centers becomes attractive as a form of self-treatment. But the answer isn't going to come from being an ascetic, despite all this woo-woo talk about mana and what not . Like in my case I am a yo-yo dieter. When I'm dieting the endorphines from exercise functions like a drug. When I fall off the wagon, eating becomes the drug. I'm not going to document my sex-life other than to say when the opportunity presents itself, I make the most of it, much to the shock of the women in my life who are used to men my age starting to rely on pills. It's hard for me to just stay in neutral because I need to be leaning on something to medicate the suffering of tinnitus. I doubt I'm the only one like this.

 

[HeavyMantra]

You're missing out!

Well, I have a partner. I use her to masturbate, that's how you put it in the infamous locked thread IIRC. If I was single, I would act accordingly. Those single nofap kids just seem way to riled up and neurotic. If you're not going to ejaculate I think you have to direct that energy into something, otherwise the benefit mostly seems to be a slight increase in testosterone. But the nofap crowd seems to have a porn/masturbation addiction/problem in most cases and no real plan. I could be wrong.

 

[HeavyMantra]

Teenagers are likely to listen to loud music and to get tinnitus. They are also likely to over do it with pleasuring themselves. Correlation is not the same as causation...

You're spot on Bill, in general I feel younger people often fail to realize this. Especially when it comes to HPPD, but also with tinnitus.

 

[HeavyMantra]

I have absolutely no idea, but this is at least the fifth story like this I've read over the years, and connections between tinnitus and the endocrine system are well established.

Anything is possible. If abstinence from jacking off keeps your ears quiet, then you have to decide what is more important, peace and quiet or a good nut.

Do you have more info about tinnitus and the endocrine system, sounds interesting? Especially since I've messed with my endocrine system quite a lot with yoga

 

[Daniel Lion]

Stop beating your meat.

Stop busting nuts all over yourself.

TnH, hello there, I am Daniel.

You can't assume the young lad is "busting nuts all over himself"
He may be using a rag or discharging into a basen or some type of receptacle fabricated from various materials both organic and possibly man made.

We should be careful making assumptions...

 

[Jack Sparrow]

Teenagers are likely to listen to loud music and to get tinnitus. They are also likely to over do it with pleasuring themselves. Correlation is not the same as causation...

I wasn't arguing this. All I was doing was saying where I read More of these stories. It's not up to me to conclude why tinnitus is prevalent or the causes.


You said I never read about this. I said this is where I read about this. That's it. Why are you so rude? Why don't you post about sonic toothbrushes or your useless tips to deal with this shit.

 

[just1morething]

I don't want to live anymore, any advice on how to get the long streaks to hopefully lower the tinnitus levels, and for the record, I'm 13 years old.

Maybe taper back on the nutting a bit? Try some gabapentin and/or klonopin maybe.

 

[just1morething]

I seen a neighbor humping a cornstalk a couple years ago. When the ear grew out his head was on the end of the ear believe it or not.

 

[just1morething]

You're missing out!

Do you do it in the mud with your bare ass to the sky? I wonder if I could find you on Google Earth?

 

[Bill Bauer]

Why are you so rude?

I wasn't rude.

Why don't you post about sonic toothbrushes or your useless tips to deal with this shit.

This is rude. Stating that correlation is not the same as causation is not rude.

I wasn't arguing this. All I was doing was saying where I read More of these stories. It's not up to me to conclude why tinnitus is prevalent or the causes.

Makes sense.

 

[Allan1967]

What, you think that's outlandish?

I guess it is if you don't believe that sex and masturbation is a transfer of energy. Energy (prana/chi) is lost if you masturbate, but it's merely transfered if you have respectful sex with someone. You give some, but you get it back.

In fact, maybe that's the original reason that most religions shun masturbation. But other reasons were made up later on

This loss of prana is what I alluded to earlier in the thread

I'm just pulling your plonker, so to speak.

 

[Bill Bauer]

What, you think that's outlandish?

I guess it is if you don't believe that sex and masturbation is a transfer of energy. Energy (prana/chi) is lost if you masturbate, but it's merely transfered if you have respectful sex with someone. You give some, but you get it back.

In fact, maybe that's the original reason that most religions shun masturbation. But other reasons were made up later on

This loss of prana is what I alluded to earlier in the thread

If prana plays such an important role in well being, it should be easy to detect it using scientific methods. That hasn't happened. I am not sure why you would want to have faith in something like that.

 

[HeavyMantra]

I'm just pulling your plonker, so to speak.

Lol plonker.

 

[HeavyMantra]

If prana plays such an important role in well being, it should be easy to detect it using scientific methods. That hasn't happened. I am not sure why you would want to have faith in something like that.

Well Bill, if you follow the instructions in the old yogic texts you quickly realize that prana is a part of the body/mind and that it can be manipulated. Everybody in the west has a relationship with it as well, in some cases perhaps limited to "I feel tired today" or "whew, eating this cleanly sure makes me feel energetic". Or, to stick to the matter at hand, "I feel so much more self confident and energetic now that I've stopped masturbating". It's just different ways to try to put words on the same thing. It's not some magical thing, prana...

As far as I know there isn't even a scientific explanation for consciousness.

As with most old texts from India, all of these things are talked about in language steeped in mythology and religion. So for instance when faced with concepts like Shiva and Parvati getting married inside the human body, thus awakening the snake and subjecting the wearer of the body to enlightenment, many people in the west somehow think this is just some weird fairy tales they talk about in India and dismiss it. And it is a tale, but it's also an instruction to achieve an undeniable physical process in the body that awakens Kundalini. It doesn't take much digging to realize this very real. Some people in the west have this happen spontaneously, and they probably end up seeking help for psychosis or other illnesses because they simply don't know what has happened to them.

EDIT: also, people that manipulate prana/live in abstinence are usually hardcore meditators going to enlightenment. For them it's very important because they know what they are doing with the energy they conserve when abstaining. For most people, masturbating or not isn't going to matter much for their well being.

 

[BobDigi]

What, you think that's outlandish?

I guess it is if you don't believe that sex and masturbation is a transfer of energy. Energy (prana/chi) is lost if you masturbate, but it's merely transfered if you have respectful sex with someone. You give some, but you get it back.

In fact, maybe that's the original reason that most religions shun masturbation. But other reasons were made up later on

This loss of prana is what I alluded to earlier in the thread

If you have extra energy after sex with your women, you ain't doing it right.

 

[Bill Bauer]

you quickly realize that prana is a part of the body/mind and that it can be manipulated

If that were the case, it would be easy to verify using a double-blind experiment. It would appear that nobody has been able to verify it. So perhaps it is part of the body/mind, but it can't be reliably manipulated (the effects of manipulation are indistinguishable from random noise).

 

[HeavyMantra]

If that were the case, it would be easy to verify using a double-blind experiment. It would appear that nobody has been able to verify it. So perhaps it is part of the body/mind, but it can't be reliably manipulated (the effects of manipulation are indistinguishable from random noise).

Well, I would have to see those studies to comment further

Manipulation is almost always done by breath retention

 

[Bill Bauer]

I would have to see those studies to comment further

The point I was making is that if such a study were to exist, it would be a huge scientific breakthrough, and everyone would be aware of it. We are not, so it is probably impossible to use science to verify those claims.

Manipulation is almost always done by breath retention

There was a USSR scientist who was famous during 1970s and 1980s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Amosov

In his books, he had recommended breath retention - he had published studies that seem to indicate that this technique could promote healing for all sorts of diseases. The theory he came up with to explain his findings is that the oxygen content of air used to be much lower back when life first began to develop on planet Earth. His research indicated that our bodies are optimized for lower oxygen content of air. So there are other explanations for why this technique works, besides prana.

 

[linearb]

If you have extra energy after sex with your women, you ain't doing it right.

Disagree; sex can simultaneously be calorie-burning and incredibly energizing, not unlike throwing axes at moving targets, or a really satisfying yodeling session

there's a lot of reasons to think sex is neurologically very different than masturbation; direct skin-on-skin contact with other humans has been shown to alter all kinds of hormone expression.

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=128795325

https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/hands_on_research

 

[Hammers]

I've thought of this often over my life that too much masturbation may have been a contributing factor in my tinnitus and it makes some sense if you consider that "Sperm and semen require a lot of specific nutrition. Some of these nutrients include Zinc, Omega 3 Fats, and Vitamin E. All of those nutrients are sadly lacking in the common Western diet". (Quotes are from a website about prostate health)

If one continuously masturbates and the body doesn't have enough vitamins and minerals to function properly or protect itself perhaps then even small or seemingly insignificant audio damage can occur or the tinnitus results from lack of these vitamins/minerals and healthy system function?

@linearb I couldn't agree more with your post about hedonism, excess, and dopamine.

I recently quit drinking for a month (not that I drink much) and whenever I told someone that I was quitting they asked whatever for? And if someone mentioned going for or having a drink and I mentioned that I quit drinking they acted as if they had deeply offended me as if my quitting must have been for some religious or spiritual reason instead of just general health.

I think this is more of a "what, you don't want to hang out with me?" than a "why would you quit drinking?" thing. Man probably just wanted a buddy. I've gone "drinking" with friends and just drank pop while they get drunk. Nobody actually cares if you're getting smashed or not.

 

[HeavyMantra]

The point I was making is that if such a study were to exist, it would be a huge scientific breakthrough, and everyone would be aware of it. We are not, so it is probably impossible to use science to verify those claims.

There was a USSR scientist who was famous during 1970s and 1980s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Amosov

In his books, he had recommended breath retention - he had published studies that seem to indicate that this technique could promote healing for all sorts of diseases. The theory he came up with to explain his findings is that the oxygen content of air used to be much lower back when life first began to develop on planet Earth. His research indicated that our bodies are optimized for lower oxygen content of air. So there are other explanations for why this technique works, besides prana.

Aha now I see what you mean.

Still, trying to use western science to find some kind of "proof" of the efficacy of spiritual techniques is kind of a misguided premise to begin with in my opinion.

Science doesn't even offer an explanation for consciousness, correct? Science AND spiritual sources only know a small percentage about how the body/mind works. To take an example from my own life: whenever I close my eyes I see a slowly pulsating blue orb. This appeared when I was practicing pranayama one day and it never left. What would science say about that, that I'm imagining things? That it isn't real just because their scientific models doesn't have an explanation for it?

Would science also say that the billions of people that have practiced yoga, chi gong, tai chi and so on have been wasting their time during thousands of years because it isn't quantifiable by scientific standards? Standards that were set what, 300-400 hundred years ago?

Spiritual practice is about direct experience. When you take the plunge and follow the instructions, scientific explanations doesn't matter as much. At least not to me. When I was younger I also somehow thought that the whole "spiritual thing" going on in India and other places was just as fanciful as the misguided Christians and Muslims I saw around me. When I somehow ended up following the yogic patch I realized it's real to a large extent, and that I was ignorant and far from humble.

With spirituality, at the end of the day you just gotta stick with what you feel positively impacts your life. Explained or mysterious. I have stopped questioning things as much because I know there are no answers, but I do see where these practives have done for me and my life.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Science doesn't even offer an explanation for consciousness, correct?

It is preferable to admit that you don't have the right explanation, then to provide a false explanation. Also, neuroscientists do know some things about consciousness.

Still, trying to use western science to find some kind of "proof" of the efficacy of spiritual techniques is kind of a misguided premise to begin with in my opinion.

If something can't be tested, then it shouldn't be trusted.

In the past, people placed their trust in the things that couldn't be tested. As a result, there was no progress, no development for tens of thousands of years.

To take an example from my own life: whenever I close my eyes I see a slowly pulsating blue orb. This appeared when I was practicing pranayama one day and it never left. What would science say about that, that I'm imagining things? That it isn't real just because their scientific models doesn't have an explanation for it?

It is better to admit that you can't explain something, then to incorrectly claim that you have a good explanation for something.

Would science also say that the billions of people that have practiced yoga, chi gong, tai chi and so on have been wasting their time during thousands of years because it isn't quantifiable by scientific standards?

Science wouldn't say that. If those people were to not achieve the goal that they had in mind when they practiced those things, then that would prove that they had wasted their time.

I do see where these practices have done for me and my life.

I can see how if doing X increases the probability of Y taking place, then if one wants Y to take place, one might want to adopt some beliefs that are completely false but that make it easier for him to do X.

 

[just1morething]

It is preferable to admit that you don't have the right explanation, then to provide a false explanation. Also, neuroscientists do know some things about consciousness.

If something can't be tested, then it shouldn't be trusted.

In the past, people placed their trust in the things that couldn't be tested. As a result, there was no progress, no development for tens of thousands of years.

It is better to admit that you can't explain something, then to incorrectly claim that you have a good explanation for something.

Science wouldn't say that. If those people were to not achieve the goal that they had in mind when they practiced those things, then that would prove that they had wasted their time.



I can see how if doing X increases the probability of Y taking place, then if one wants Y to take place, one might want to adopt some beliefs that are completely false but that make it easier for him to do X.

WTH are you talking about? Why don't you drink some prune juice. Your X,Y bullshit gets sickening. Argue, argue, argue over things nobody is interested in.

 

[Bill Bauer]

Your X,Y bullshit gets sickening.

Not an argument.

Argue, argue, argue over things nobody is interested in.

Evidently the person I have been talking to (HeavyMantra) and I are interested in this topic.

Just one more thing: If you are not interested in this topic, go read another thread. If you don't like my posts, place me on your Ignore list. Ok?

 

[HeavyMantra]

It is preferable to admit that you don't have the right explanation, then to provide a false explanation. Also, neuroscientists do know some things about consciousness.

If something can't be tested, then it shouldn't be trusted.

In the past, people placed their trust in the things that couldn't be tested. As a result, there was no progress, no development for tens of thousands of years.

It is better to admit that you can't explain something, then to incorrectly claim that you have a good explanation for something.

Science wouldn't say that. If those people were to not achieve the goal that they had in mind when they practiced those things, then that would prove that they had wasted their time.



I can see how if doing X increases the probability of Y taking place, then if one wants Y to take place, one might want to adopt some beliefs that are completely false but that make it easier for him to do X.

You fail to see my point which tells me you are not familiar with the Yoga sutras. These things CAN be tested, and the instructions are clear. You just disregard it for some reason, my guess is that you don't have any experience or knowledge about these things. In India, these things can be studied at monasteries etc but also in universities. In India they call it the "yogic sciences". You seem to disregard Indian spirituality and culture completely from what I can tell, thinking they are simply "false" because they don't fit into your western-centric worldview or whatever views you hold. To each his own I guess. I see any attempt to define reality as futile, western science and other models alike.

There are many examples where western science has "caught up" to yogic knowledge quite recently, while yogis have known about these things for thousands of years. The discovery of the parasympathetic nervous system being one. They knew how to activate it thousands of years ago, something that is now common in western physiotherapy. As is acupuncture.

Not sure what else to discuss here, your last reply didn't do much to further the conversation.

 

[Bill Bauer]

These things CAN be tested, and the instructions are clear.

If these things Can be tested, then how come scientists haven't tested them and confirmed that there is something to it?

You seem to disregard Indian spirituality and culture completely from what I can tell, thinking they are simply "false"

If something can't be tested and proven to be true, it makes sense to assume that it is false.

Humans have been around for 200,000 years, and until about 500 years ago they have been using your approach of believing stuff because some "wise" man told them to believe it, without requiring proof. You can see for yourself how far that had gotten them.

In India they call it the "yogic sciences".

Practitioners of astrology also call it science (because it involves a lot of math, and even computer simulations).

There are many examples where western science has "caught up" to yogic knowledge quite recently, while yogis have known about these things for thousands of years. The discovery of the parasympathetic nervous system being one. They knew how to activate it thousands of years ago, something that is now common in western physiotherapy. As is acupuncture.

If we have a large list of random statements (typed at random), and no well defined rules about what it takes for a statement to match reality, by chance alone some of those statements can be claimed to match facts that had been proven to be true.

I see any attempt to define reality as futile,

Science is not about defining reality. It is about NOT claiming that things are true that can't be proven to be true.

 

[Hammers]

If these things Can be tested, then how come scientists haven't tested them and confirmed that there is something to it?

If something can't be tested and proven to be true, it makes sense to assume that it is false.

Humans have been around for 200,000 years, and until about 500 years ago they have been using your approach of believing stuff because some "wise" man told them to believe it, without requiring proof. You can see for yourself how far that had gotten them.
Practitioners of astrology also call it science (because it involves a lot of math, and even computer simulations).

If we have a large list of random statements (typed at random), and no well defined rules about what it takes for a statement to match reality, by chance alone some of those statements can be claimed to match facts that had been proven to be true.

Science is not about defining reality. It is about NOT claiming that things are true that can't be proven to be true.

His proof is that doing yoga and meditating make his body feel better. But its supposed to, that's real science. All this energy prana stuff is just mumbo jumbo. Yoga and aerobic exercise and meditation is just plain good for the body. There's no special energy. Its just science. His blue dot is probably a hallucination just like people who claim to see Jesus.

 

[just1morething]

Not an argument.

Evidently the person I have been talking to (HeavyMantra) and I are interested in this topic.

Just one more thing: If you are not interested in this topic, go read another thread. If you don't like my posts, place me on your Ignore list. Ok?

It's off topic and you don't support the forum.