Overmasturbation Tinnitus?

#121
linearb said:
Kundalini is on the more extreme end. Just as it's possible to sort of "break your brain" with LSD or something and have a real psychotic break and have problems for a long time after
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@linearb, you make some very good points in your post, and saved me a bit of time and effort to essentially make some similar ones. -- Thank you very much! ;) -- A good friend of mine had a friend who apparently experimented with kundalini exercises, and it ended up sort of "frying" her nervous system. She was still trying to recover years later.

linearb said:
I see a difference between "sustainable", gentle practices that are just trying to slightly augment or improve quality of life, and really intense practices that are basically trying to push people into having some kind of peak experience as quickly as possible. I think the latter is dangerous.
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Again, couldn't agree with you more. I tried Transcendental Meditation in my early 20's, and soon found myself becoming quite lackadaisical, passive, listless, sluggish, and almost lifeless. Fortunately, it was so notable that I was able to discover after only three weeks that it definitely wasn't for me. I'm just glad my experience wasn't more subtle, or I might have stayed much longer with a practice that was detrimental to me.

A few years later, I discovered--as you put it well--a sustainable and gentle practice. Not only did it gently invigorate me, but it seemed to smooth out some of my "rough edges", while opening my heart in new ways. Thankfully, it never gets stale, and has been sustainable and continually uplifting over many years. Only takes about 20 minutes a day. And BTW, it seems to help "transmute" the intensity of my tinnitus as well, making it a bit easier to deal with.
 
#123
Bill Bauer said:
So where is the study? And if the study isn't there, and you know that there is a huge incentive to publish such a study, then what is this telling you about whether or not the study (once it is done) is going to be successful?

Nonscientific verification = nonsense. Scientific verification isn't. Can you explain why you disagree with this statement?

It isn't a verification. Verification would involve a control group, researchers not knowing which group is the control group, many observations, advanced statistical methods to control for the natural variability of the data, etc.

What you described would also apply to all of the other folk stories about witches, trolls (in its traditional non-internet meaning), werewolfs, etc. People have told stories about these things over thousands of years (and claimed to witness those things), and then someone wrote it all down after the fact. Hopefully you will agree that it is all nonsense (e.g., there must have been sadistic serial killers around even hundreds/thousands of years ago, and when people would find the bodies of their victims they would assume it was evidence of werewolfs).

The standard for accepting something as the truth shouldn't be that it hasn't been invalidated. I can't prove that you Aren't a space alien - this doesn't mean that it makes sense for me to believe that I am talking to a space alien.

Trust me, scientists are willing to do anything to get a publication in a good journal. Using scientific method to prove that there is something true about yoga sutras would definitely result in a publication. The reason nobody has published anything about that is definitely not because the scientists aren't interested.

Progress came about when people made a decision to stop believing statements that can't be proved. You are believing statements that can't be proved. So...

Yoga claims to achieve certain goals. If it could be proven that it achieves what it sets out to achieve, then nobody should have any problem with it.

Until the 19th century, billions of people used to believe that it is ok for a doctor to not wash his hands before seeing a new patient. Billions of people used to believe in spirits, and ghosts, and bizarre stories about how the world came about.

I am glad. The last thing I want is to upset a fellow T sufferer.
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You seem to be coming from an academic setting, you have a scientific and materialistic worldview. Nothing wrong with that. You only take this conversation as far as your comfort zone allows, and you drag it back to that zone continually. You don't seem to be curious about the things we are discussing, so I see no point in expanding on these concepts further. Nothing you write tells me you have even the slightest personal experience about spirituality or yoga. Nothing wrong with that either, it could be a waste of time for all I know. (then again if spirituality is a waste of time, everything a person can do in their life is a waste of time and ultimately pointless. It might be that this is true. I personally feel better when not thinking this way, but tinnitus has reduced my optimism quite a bit).

So yeah, some of these things I'm talking about has been proven scientifically as far as I know. Like the parts of the nervous system and how to affect them, how breath affects the mind and so on, how stress is detrimental and so on. Physical, tangible things. Things USEFUL for western medical science. Spirituality is considered NOT USEFUL by academics, yes? Maybe you're right that anything spiritual in nature can't be scientifically proven. Maybe it's just that research requires funding, and nobody has done rigorous research on these things because it would be costly and possibly futile. My impressions of academics is that they often have a personal agenda that they defend at every cost. Maybe this has to do with the structure of the academic setting, you tell me..

I don't care much about science when it comes to spirituality. Science is good for the material side of things. If science cannot get a grip on spirituality, and it would appear that way, it only proves to me that science doesn't have the methods to understand something that, to me at least, feels as real as anything else. Time will tell as science evolves, However, this attitude is based on the notion that everything is an illusion. Including my very ego and person. Yoga is about seeking the truth behind the illusion. Who knows if that works or not. Who cares honestly, as long as those who seek are happy and those who doesn't seek are happy

Spirituality is about empirical, personal experience. It's not about proving anything, because why would that matter? It's about intuition. It's about living your life from the heart, not the mind and intellect. It's about deconstructing everything and then building it back up on a personal level. Yoga is an anti-intellectual activity for the most part. The intellectual path of yoga is called Jnana yoga. Maybe these scholars would be more equipped to debate with you, not that you would want to

"The answer burns in the fire of knowing"
 
#124
JohnAdams said:
Like a psychedelic experience. Got it.
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yup, a very reasonable comparison, but with psychedelics it's extremely rare for people to be left in a state that is permanently and severely altered, and when it happens it's attributed to a "psychotic break"

with kundalini, being left permanently and severely altered is the goal
 
#125
Lane said:
A good friend of mine had a friend who apparently experimented with kundalini exercises, and it ended up sort of "frying" her nervous system. She was still trying to recover years later.
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This isn't unheard of, you have to take these things very seriously. The reason being that SOME people manage to destroy their lives and nervous systems with yoga. Most people are fine. But the hazard isn't talked about enough I feel. Or, people don't listen until they burn themselves, like me...
 
#127
Sorry about not replying earlier. I have been away from my computer.

HeavyMantra said:
You only take this conversation as far as your comfort zone allows, and you drag it back to that zone continually.
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It should be "drag it UP to that zone continuously". The alternative point of view has been with humanity for hundreds of thousands of years, and is what has led to no development, people having to live as savages, low life expectancy, etc.
HeavyMantra said:
everything a person can do in their life is a waste of time and ultimately pointless
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It IS pointless. Having said that, there is a difference between having a lifetime of struggle and a lifetime of enjoying yourself. That spiritual mumbo-jumbo was developed to not feel bad about all of the challenges. The alternative is to actually solve one's problems and to not have as many challenges.
HeavyMantra said:
My impressions of academics is that they often have a personal agenda that they defend at every cost. Maybe this has to do with the structure of the academic setting, you tell me..
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The agenda is "publish or perish". If they can publish it, they will publish it, and they don't care what "it" is.
 
#130
in this thread normies blame masturbation for tinnitus when the real cause is cochlear nerve damage caused by their noise over exposure.

Porn can cause addiction and lethargy from exploiting dopamine, but it won't cause tinnitus/hyperacusis. A normie who got tinnitus from a rock concert will comfortably lie this is the cause of their tinnitus when it's not.
 
#131
I have now retained my semen for several months. I'm charging up guys, I'm soon ready to defeat Bill Bauer and settle this matter once and for all!
 
#132
HeavyMantra said:
I'm soon ready to defeat Bill Bauer and settle this matter once and for all!
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LOL what?
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#134
I'm obviously referring to charging up my spiritual energy

Excess semen is excreted together with the urine, so there is no internal pressure buildup. Therefore I think gushing semen would be an ineffective route of attack
 
#135
HeavyMantra said:
I'm obviously referring to charging up my spiritual energy

Excess semen is excreted together with the urine, so there is no internal pressure buildup. Therefore I think gushing semen would be a n ineffective route of attack
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Here is the secret: not jerkng it all the time is healthy, for the mind. If you're married and spill your seed 2-7 times a day/night during sexual congress with your wife, it's not hurting your spiritual energy necessarily. Kundalini is nonsense fake news. Celibacy for a time is the same as fasting, healthy, good for the mind.
 

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