Probably the Worst Thing That Can Happen!

Like, exposures you might not even imagine would make T worse but it does?
My worst spike happened when I pressed a phone (its volume stuck at Max) to my bad ear, and the person on the other end raised her voice to greet me. One might think: "It's just a phone, how can it do anything? It was Designed to be pressed next to the ear!" and yet I had a spike that had lasted for over three months, and had involved my T changing to a more unbearable frequency.
 
Hmm. Tinnitus is really quite bad at the moment. three different tones now. Seems to continue worsening as the days go by. Things are pretty bad this evening. This new tone has got particularly loud and is a constant tone. I feel like I'm getting spikes on top of spikes - I hope this will settle do you think it will?
 
Hmm. Tinnitus is really quite bad at the moment. three different tones now. Seems to continue worsening as the days go by. Things are pretty bad this evening. This new tone has got particularly loud and is a constant tone. I feel like I'm getting spikes on top of spikes - I hope this will settle do you think it will?
Going to GP tomorrow because there is high frequency loss in the left ear, which came on suddenly as I said recently. I'm still unsure whether wax on the drum can truly reduce ability to hear the frequencies so I'm taking action tomorrow.
 
Hmm. Tinnitus is really quite bad at the moment. three different tones now. Seems to continue worsening as the days go by. Things are pretty bad this evening. This new tone has got particularly loud and is a constant tone. I feel like I'm getting spikes on top of spikes - I hope this will settle do you think it will?

What have these days been like in terms of noise, stress, sleep, etc?
 
I hope this will settle do you think it will?
It ought to begin fading soon. If you end up not hearing silence again, you might still end up with T that you can hear only when you are in a quiet room. So what you are hearing now is most likely not what you will be stuck with.
 
It ought to begin fading soon. If you end up not hearing silence again, you might still end up with T that you can hear only when you are in a quiet room. So what you are hearing now is most likely not what you will be stuck with.
Hi Bill. Again the tinnitus has proven to be unpredictable. The sound in my left ear is alot quieter now - barely audible! Seems like it may dissappear. However, weirdly my right ear started making a noise. Now, onto my point, the valsalva manoeuvre. My doctor recommended doing it regularly in order to clear my middle ear, and when my Mum saw an ENT (should I mention, an ENT of 20 years experienced whose also an ENT surgeon), also recommended the manoeuvre.

However, I realised when doing it the new ringing in the right became a bit louder. I didn't think much of it because I never found the manoeuvre loud. Every time I did it the ring would get louder? I tend to do it softly and carefully. So as advised I've been doing it occasionally and carefully throughout today. The ringing in the right has increased again and is loud now??

I guess I'll stop with it now. Will I be ok? This should surely go down since I wasn't going crazy with the manoeuvre and was indeed being gentle. The ring seems stuck at slightly louder.

Again didn't think this could affect tinnitus. I'm learning!

I completely disagree that the valsalva manoeuvre can damage your ears, unless you do it with a lot of force and many times over a longer period. Sorry if you disagree but there'd be alot more people with damage otherwise.

Thanks,
Josh
 
Hmm. Yes I've been reading on tinnitus talk and... too much scaremongering. People who have had a bad experience with valsalva manoeuvre now claim it's really dangerous.

No...... it just isn't folks


It could be dangerous if you are basically violent with it. This is a bit ridiculous. It may have spiked my tinnitus but I really do not think it would've done damage.
 
I am happy to hear that your left ear has shown signs of improvement.

Again the tinnitus has proven to be unpredictable. The sound in my left ear is alot quieter now - barely audible! Seems like it may dissappear. However, weirdly my right ear started making a noise.
It is unpredictable only over the short-term. It is more predictable when you look at the monthly/yearly trend. I think that there is a good chance that even your right ear will get a lot quieter (or even get completely quiet).
Now, onto my point, the valsalva manoeuvre. My doctor recommended doing it regularly in order to clear my middle ear, and when my Mum saw an ENT (should I mention, an ENT of 20 years experienced whose also an ENT surgeon), also recommended the manoeuvre.

However, I realised when doing it the new ringing in the right became a bit louder.
A number of people on this forum had reported getting T as a Result of doing Valsalva maneuver. I Might be one of them. It is very surprising that I got T as a result of something that lasted a fraction of a second. I got ear fullness right after my acoustic trauma, and I tried Valsalva maneuver, but it didn't work. Now I suspect that perhaps doing this maneuver had contributed to me getting T 18 months ago.

In any case, the bottom line is that if you decide to do it, do it gently, and don't do it too many times. If it doesn't work the first or second time you do it, chances are it is not going to help even if you do it 10 more times (but you might make your T louder).

Since your T got worse after you tried it, I would not do it, if I were you. But please keep in mind that I don't have any medical background, whereas your doctor is a medical doctor.
I never found the manoeuvre loud
It is not just the noise that can damage our ears. The pressure can do it too.
Will I be ok?
Let's hope that you will be ok because you were gentle when you did it...
People who have had a bad experience with valsalva manoeuvre now claim it's really dangerous.

No...... it just isn't folks
How do you know? The data (given in those posts) seems to suggest the opposite. If you refuse to look at the data, it is like saying "Those giraffe pictures must be photoshoped as it is impossible for an animal to have a neck that is That long. It is impossible because such a thing would clearly be impossible."
 
Hmm. Well I think the fact that I've stopped now, after one day, should mean I'll be okay? The pressure damaging your ears? I have to disagree here. Think of being on a plane and how an altitude of 30,000 ft can cause pressure. Yet, most people on a plane are going to be fine.

Anyway the situation is, I started it this afternoon as advised, and the tinnitus got louder - I assumed maybe it was me paying more attention etc. Though I realised the next 3 times that the same happened. Got worse then went down a bit. Only now it isn't going back down... I hope it eventually will. Many doctors apparently advise doing it dozens of times a day so I'd again be baffled if I harmed myself doing it so few times and so gently.
 
Hmm. Well I think the fact that I've stopped now, after one day, should mean I'll be okay? The pressure damaging your ears? I have to disagree here. Think of being on a plane and how an altitude of 30,000 ft can cause pressure. Yet, most people on a plane are going to be fine.

Anyway the situation is, I started it this afternoon as advised, and the tinnitus got louder - I assumed maybe it was me paying more attention etc. Though I realised the next 3 times that the same happened. Got worse then went down a bit. Only now it isn't going back down... I hope it eventually will. Many doctors apparently advise doing it dozens of times a day so I'd again be baffled if I harmed myself doing it so few times and so gently.
OH DEAR... I was literally half asleep and forgot all about this, remembering what the doc said, so I did the manoeuvre thing... Well luckily I was awake enough to know I needed to be very gentle. Kinda has spiked again. Jeez too clumsy but glad I was careful. When I'm careful I'm able to make it a pretty quiet process.
 
OH DEAR... I was literally half asleep and forgot all about this, remembering what the doc said, so I did the manoeuvre thing... Well luckily I was awake enough to know I needed to be very gentle. Kinda has spiked again. Jeez too clumsy but glad I was careful. When I'm careful I'm able to make it a pretty quiet process.
I say that, a ringing in my left ear (an old sound) has returned and it's bad in my right ear now. Very bad. I think that'll definelty be the last time.
 
Ok bill. So for me it's like 2am and ive seen a big spider in my room. One of my biggest ever fears. I don't know if it's the manoeuvre but since I've seen the spider my tinnitus just went literally through the ceiling...
 
The pressure damaging your ears? I have to disagree here. Think of being on a plane and how an altitude of 30,000 ft can cause pressure.
I remember reading posts describing people getting T as a result of airplanes descending too rapidly. There exists a pressure (that one can create using V maneuver) that can damage our ears.
I hope it eventually will. Many doctors apparently advise doing it dozens of times a day so I'd again be baffled if I harmed myself doing it so few times and so gently.
I am glad that you did it gently. You ought to be fine.
Kinda has spiked again.
If it spikes Every Time you perform that maneuver, I hope you consider listening to the signals given to you by your body, and acting accordingly.
 
I remember reading posts describing people getting T as a result of airplanes descending too rapidly. There exists a pressure (that one can create using V maneuver) that can damage our ears.
I am glad that you did it gently. You ought to be fine.

If it spikes Every Time you perform that maneuver, I hope you consider listening to the signals given to you by your body, and acting accordingly.
Yes I am slightly worried now. Sometimes even if you do it gently, as I'm sure you know, the noise can be a little loud. That happened in the left and now there a ring in there whilst the right had also spiked alot now despite not much of a sound being made.
 
Yes I am slightly worried now. Sometimes even if you do it gently, as I'm sure you know, the noise can be a little loud. That happened in the left and now there a ring in there whilst the right had also spiked alot now despite not much of a sound being made.
Give it time to heal. But try to stop hurting yourself.
 
The thing is, ENT's I've met do not believe it's dangerous, and I obviously will consider their opinions more.

I'm going to try to avoid doing it again because somehow it managed to make my tinnitus much worse again despite me being careful...

The left ear is making a whining noise which is what I get when there are middle ear problems so maybe the manoeuvre caused air trap I don't know. But hmm Why is it making this noise now...?
 
Now I'm freaking out in the middle of the night this is not nice @Bill Bauer

As has happened before the manoeuvre has increased the blockage feeling and hearing loss. I'm worried there's been a barotrauma that has damaged my inner ear.

What are the chances of middle ear barotrauma damaging the cochlea and would I not be experiencing more severe symptoms if it had?

Help
 
I'm worried there's been a barotrauma that has damaged my inner ear.
Given how long it takes for even the most minor ear traumas to heal, you should worry about doing serious damage to yourself only if this spike lasts for longer than 1-3 months. Common sense seems to imply that if you had been gentle, you shouldn't have caused any serious damage. Also, keep in mind that this was recommended to you by a doctor. So let's hope for the best.
 
@glynis
Please only respond if you are well enough to I don't want to put strain on you.

I've read something about ear barotrauma and how divers have ended up with permanent hearing loss due to pressure changes.

I'm wondering if maybe when I was popping my ears so much to try and rliminste the blocked feeling, I've damaged my inner ear, as I mentioned my ability to hear higher frequencies is reduced though I hear middle ear problems can do this but I'm unsure.

Is this me being paranoid? Worried ice actually done perm damage from it.
 
@glynis
Please only respond if you are well enough to I don't want to put strain on you.

I've read something about ear barotrauma and how divers have ended up with permanent hearing loss due to pressure changes.

I'm wondering if maybe when I was popping my ears so much to try and rliminste the blocked feeling, I've damaged my inner ear, as I mentioned my ability to hear higher frequencies is reduced though I hear middle ear problems can do this but I'm unsure.

Is this me being paranoid? Worried ice actually done perm damage from it.
No. The pressure from popping your ear is not the same as a deep diver experiences.

And yes, you are being paranoid. Do you have a therapist? A doctor you trust? You need to better manage your anxiety.
 
@JoshuaD2002 ,
Hi Josh,@Tinker Bell is right.
However if you pop your ears only do it once or twice a day and only slow and not hard or will aggravate your ears and inflame them and cause more pressure.
Sucking a sweet or chewing gum will help just the same but my opinion would not use gum for people wih TMJ.

I'm fine and very well and don't get stressed and know when I need time for myself with health issues that flair up.
Anxiety is your main problem but only due to lack of experience and support while going through the first months of Tinnitus and learning how to deal with emotions.
Try not to mess with your ears and let them settle and avoid on line hearing tests and only have them done by Audiology.
love glynis
 
@JoshuaD2002 ,
Hi Josh,@Tinker Bell is right.
However if you pop your ears only do it once or twice a day and only slow and not hard or will aggravate your ears and inflame them and cause more pressure.
Sucking a sweet or chewing gum will help just the same but my opinion would not use gum for people wih TMJ.

I'm fine and very well and don't get stressed and know when I need time for myself with health issues that flair up.
Anxiety is your main problem but only due to lack of experience and support while going through the first months of Tinnitus and learning how to deal with emotions.
Try not to mess with your ears and let them settle and avoid on line hearing tests and only have them done by Audiology.
love glynis
Thank you Glynis. I am insuring I do it no more than a few times a day. But, no matter how gentle I am with it, sometimes the noise made seems startling. I did it gently 30 mins ago, and it made a popping noise in my right ear, which has caused the exact same spike as last time :( I feel silly but I'm genuinely bring really gentle, even so I end up making the tinnitus worse. Right ear ringing quite a bit again now.
 
Thank you Glynis. I am insuring I do it no more than a few times a day. But, no matter how gentle I am with it, sometimes the noise made seems startling. I did it gently 30 mins ago, and it made a popping noise in my right ear, which has caused the exact same spike as last time :( I feel silly but I'm genuinely bring really gentle, even so I end up making the tinnitus worse. Right ear ringing quite a bit again now.
Thing is an ENT recommended doing it gently, a few times a day. (I've done it 4 times in the last 12 hours). The 4th time, as I said above, has made right ear ringing bad again. Quite frustrating as I don't even know how my right ear started ringing in the first place...
 
I did it gently 30 mins ago, and it made a popping noise in my right ear, which has caused the exact same spike as last time :( I feel silly but I'm genuinely bring really gentle, even so I end up making the tinnitus worse. Right ear ringing quite a bit again now.
Why do you continue using this maneuver?
 
Why do you continue using this maneuver?
Well firstly the loud ringing that starts in the right ear sounds more like the kind of ringing caused by air pressure. It seems far too odd that tinnitus like this should start up even when doing the manoeuvre so gently. I decided to take into account both what the doctor had said and the weird spikes and do it only a few times a day, since otherwise the recovery will take longer.

I guess I'm just going to have to go to zero times and explain to the doctor. No way have I just given myself loud long term tinnitus from very and extremely carefully doing it... *sigh* :(

Yes this is absolutely the last time now because it just creates tinnitus every time.
 
@JoshuaD2002 ,
I think a nasil spray will help but needs to be used daily for a couple of weeks to build up and dry out your tubes.
love glynis
 

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