Solsaem Clinic (Dr. Minbo Shim) Experience

[Ed209]

@Ed209, I had dexamethasone IT injections at Paparella in 2010, and then at Shea in 2011 similar IT injections, perhaps with lidocaine added. I not sure what exactly was in their injections but both places were covered by my insurance at the time.

It seems a lot of journal articles say " no conflict of interest" on the bottom. The one I quoted was from The International Tinnitus Journal created by Dr. Shulman. I guess I could contact him and see what he says? I would consider his opinion to be valid. I'm just looking for some kind of relief, to be honest with you. AM-101 was FDA approved as far as I know but my understanding is that it didn't work for tinnitus.

I understand the predicament you're in, but don't let your guard down. There are many people out there who profit from people's suffering. This is perfectly fine and ethical when there is an evidence base to back up one's claims.

When something is still experimental, however, it should be treated as such, and not used to exploit people. Participating in a clinical trial doesn't cost anything other than one's time (as long as you fit the criteria), or some form of remuneration is usually offered.

 

[JohnAdams]

I understand the predicament you're in, but don't let your guard down. There are many people out there who profit from people's suffering. This is perfectly fine and ethical when there is an evidence base to back up one's claims.

When something is still experimental, however, it should be treated as such, and not used to exploit people. Participating in a clinical trial doesn't cost anything other than one's time (as long as you fit the criteria), or some form of remuneration is usually offered.

So when someone has cancer and pays for cancer treatment that may or may not save their life then they are likewise being exploited by your logic.

 

[just1morething]

Participating in a clinical trial doesn't cost anything other than one's time (as long as you fit the criteria), or some form of remuneration is usually offered.

There aren't many clinical trials for chronic tinnitus sufferers. Most of them appear to be for acute cases only. I will try to get a hold of Dr. Abraham Shulman in regard to the efficacy of IT PRP injections for tinnitus.

I noticed I've been falling asleep during the day somewhat and have been awakened to severe noise. Maybe I'll look into CPAP again. My unit is quite old. It is a 2005 model I believe. It is possible sleep apnea and tinnitus are related to a certain degree. I think I'm eligible for a new CPAP with my insurance covering most of it. The new ones are much more compact. I have been using a sleep appliance with bands on it to keep my airway open instead of a CPAP. Sometimes I forget to put it in though. They are not as effective as a CPAP according to my sleep study.

 

[Ed209]

So when someone has cancer and pays for cancer treatment that may or may not save their life then they are likewise being exploited by your logic.

I'm saying one should always do their research. And thoroughly.

I personally find it odd that certain people are attacked and criticised relentlessly on this site, but not others. Do you believe in Liam Boehm's treatment method for example? Or Julian Cowan Hills's craniosacral therapy?

If not, then why not? Is it because of the lack of evidence they have? If so, then I think you need to reevaluate your position somewhat. All this demonstrates to me is that you are susceptible to the confirmation bias.

I try to be as neutral as possible, but we all have biases to some degree and that's inescapable. I am critical about anyone who claims extraordinary things without any evidence, regardless of who it is or what they practice.

One of the Drs that @just1morething is looking into is claiming that a PRP injection is a replacement for cochlear implants!

 

[Ed209]

There aren't many clinical trials for chronic tinnitus sufferers. Most of them appear to be for acute cases only. I will try to get a hold of Dr. Abraham Shulman in regard to the efficacy of IT PRP injections.

The point I was trying to make is that this is what these Drs should be doing. I think it's outrageous that they have the gall to charge people for something that is completely experimental whilst exclaiming it's as effective as a cochlear implant! There is no scientific data to confirm this, because I assure you, if it was indeed as effective as they are saying it is, then it would be everywhere.

PRP needs a lot more research.

 

[just1morething]

One of the Drs that @just1morething is looking into is claiming that a PRP injection is a replacement for cochlear implants!

I think it was primarily for sensorineural hearing loss and possibly tinnitus. I don't know if you have to be practically deaf to be a candidate for a cochlear implant? I don't know if it is reversible either.

 

[Ed209]

I think it was primarily for sensorineural hearing loss and possibly tinnitus. I don't know if you have to be practically deaf to be a candidate for a cochlear implant? I don't know if it is reversible either.

Cochlear implant candidates are usually severely deaf, so for him to say it can replace them is another way of saying that PRP can reverse severe hearing loss.

 

[Ed209]

One would then have to question why there are so many companies putting millions into hearing regeneration?

 

[JohnAdams]

Do you believe in Liam Boehm's treatment method for example?

Yes I completely agree with him that there are 3 electrons per mitochondria. He truly gets it.

All this demonstrates to me is that you are susceptible to the confirmation bias.

You've demonstrated to me that you're susceptible to something that's for sure.

One of the Drs that @just1morething is looking into is claiming that a PRP injection is a replacement for cochlear implants!

Right, and I've said that you were right about the journal and repeated numerous times that before anyone else tries any PRP treatments that it needs to be properly tested in a clinical trial setting.

It's hilarious that you act like you have god-like powers to know my tinnitus better than I do. You talk to me as if I am claiming that I found the cure for tinnitus and everyone should rush out to Seoul when in fact I haven't urged anyone to follow in my footsteps. The only thing I have claimed is that my tinnitus improved in the time after I visited the clinic and it didn't improve as much as I would have wanted it to and I honestly cannot for a fact attribute my improvements to my treatments. On the other hand, you parade around like you know everything about this from your little hobbit-hole up in the Shire.

 

[JohnAdams]

I think it was primarily for sensorineural hearing loss and possibly tinnitus. I don't know if you have to be practically deaf to be a candidate for a cochlear implant? I don't know if it is reversible either.

To claim that a few PRP injections can replace CIs is absurd. Minbo Shim uses more than just PRP and after far more treatments never claimed such a drastic improvement in hearing.

 

[Ed209]

It's hilarious that you act like you have god-like powers to know my tinnitus better than I do. You talk to me as if I am claiming that I found the cure for tinnitus and everyone should rush out to Seoul when in fact I haven't urged anyone to follow in my footsteps. The only thing I have claimed is that my tinnitus improved in the time after I visited the clinic and it didn't improve as much as I would have wanted it to and I honestly cannot for a fact attribute my improvements to my treatments. On the other hand, you parade around like you know everything about this from your little hobbit-hole up in the Shire.

But I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to @just1morething. I never mentioned you once.

If you don't want me to reply then don't tag me here. If you think I act like I have god-like powers then I'll respect your opinion, as you're free to think and believe whatever you want. I really don't mind.

 

[JohnAdams]

I guess we are all trying to alleviate our suffering one way or another without waiting for the hearing regeneration companies to help us out, which could be years away.

I found a way to get the main ingredient to the Hough Ear Pill but to replicate their dosing schedule would cost me tens of thousands of dollars that I don't have. We have to fight and raise our voice in unison about all of these drugs. It's our lives. We have to fight and not sit here complacent about the entire approval process.

 

[just1morething]

I found a way to get the main ingredient to the Hough Ear Pill but to replicate their dosing schedule would cost me tens of thousands of dollars that I don't have. We have to fight and raise our voice in unison about all of these drugs. It's our lives. We have to fight and not sit here complacent about the entire approval process.

Are you breaking into Hough Ear Institute? From what I read of your posts you are doing fairly well noisewise if that's a word. I waiting for another quiet day but they are few and hard to if not impossible to duplicate.

I'm looking into TMJ/neck issues plus possibly using my old CPAP for now. Got to keep trying. My Eustachian tubes seem kind of plugged up. Not sure that is related to my noise.

I'm not sure how your DIY pill is supposed to be made? Do you have some information from Justin De Moss?

 

[GlennS]

you parade around like you know everything about this from your little hobbit-hole up in the Shire.

 

[JohnAdams]

GlennS, learn to meme.

 

[FGG]

I found a way to get the main ingredient to the Hough Ear Pill but to replicate their dosing schedule would cost me tens of thousands of dollars that I don't have. We have to fight and raise our voice in unison about all of these drugs. It's our lives. We have to fight and not sit here complacent about the entire approval process.

How do you know their dosing schedule?

 

[JohnAdams]

How do you know their dosing schedule?

Just for mice. From their patent.

 

[FGG]

Just for mice. From their patent.

The human dose should be much smaller on a mg/kg basis.

 

[JohnAdams]

How do you know their dosing schedule?

Sorry, here:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4010594/

 

[JohnAdams]

The human dose should be much smaller on a mg/kg basis.

1/12th
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4804402/

 

[GlennS]

GlennS, learn to meme.

OK, is this one more appropriate to your quote?

 

[JohnAdams]

GlennS, no. That's not how it works. That particular meme has to start with "one does not simply". Like this:

 

[GlennS]

As you wish, then.

 

[mrbrightside614]

Given the data provided by Shim (at http://cmclinics.com/category/about-our-clinic/) most commonly fixing frequencies between 500-6000 Hz, and FX-322's likely inclination to treat frequencies of 8000 Hz+, I feel like between the two of these treatments the entire hearing spectrum could be almost entirely restored.

I realize the treatment provided by Shim creates great controversy on this forum. I'm inclined to think that his methods have to be at least partially effective if his technique has existed for years now in such a no-nonsense medical environment in South Korea. His reporting of results is relatively modest. I think that covering the missing frequencies between 501 Hz-5999 Hz would be massively effective for those with hidden hearing loss not detected by archaic audiometry.

 

[FGG]

Given the data provided by Shim (at http://cmclinics.com/category/about-our-clinic/) most commonly fixing frequencies between 500-6000 Hz, and FX-322's likely inclination to treat frequencies of 8000 Hz+, I feel like between the two of these treatments the entire hearing spectrum could be almost entirely restored.

I realize the treatment provided by Shim creates great controversy on this forum. I'm inclined to think that his methods have to be at least partially effective if his technique has existed for years now in such a no-nonsense medical environment in South Korea. His reporting of results is relatively modest. I think that covering the missing frequencies between 501 Hz-5999 Hz would be massively effective for those with hidden hearing loss not detected by archaic audiometry.

Frequency Therapeutics reported good drug penetrance from 3500 Hz+ in one of their slides. You are probably thinking 8000 Hz because of the much smaller phase 1 dosing.

Pipeline and OTO-413 are both addressing hidden hearing loss.

 

[JohnAdams]

Given the data provided by Shim (at http://cmclinics.com/category/about-our-clinic/) most commonly fixing frequencies between 500-6000 Hz, and FX-322's likely inclination to treat frequencies of 8000 Hz+, I feel like between the two of these treatments the entire hearing spectrum could be almost entirely restored.

I realize the treatment provided by Shim creates great controversy on this forum. I'm inclined to think that his methods have to be at least partially effective if his technique has existed for years now in such a no-nonsense medical environment in South Korea. His reporting of results is relatively modest. I think that covering the missing frequencies between 501 Hz-5999 Hz would be massively effective for those with hidden hearing loss not detected by archaic audiometry.

The improvements that I experienced in the time after my treatment were in the lower frequencies.

 

[mrbrightside614]

Frequency Therapeutics reported good drug penetrance from 3500 Hz+ in one of their slides. You are probably thinking 8000 Hz because of the much smaller phase 1 dosing.

Pipeline and OTO-413 are both addressing hidden hearing loss.

Really? That's excellent news.

It never made much sense to me why PIPE-505 and OTO-413 are being marketed for hidden hearing loss. But considering FX-322 should beat both of them to the punch, they may be rendered completely obsolete.

 

[FGG]

Really? That's excellent news.

It never made much sense to me why PIPE-505 and OTO-413 are being marketed for hidden hearing loss. But considering FX-322 should beat both of them to the punch, they may be rendered completely obsolete.

Hidden hearing loss is synaptopathy. Frequency addresses cochlear hair cell loss. Those are both two different problems that can affect hearing and tinnitus. It's possible to be helped by one much more than the other.

 

[mrbrightside614]

The improvements that I experienced in the time after my treatment were in the lower frequencies.

So you essentially agree with me, then?

 

[mrbrightside614]

Hidden hearing loss is synaptopathy. Frequency addresses cochlear hair cell loss. Those are both two different problems that can affect hearing and tinnitus. It's possible to be helped by one much more than the other.

Appreciate the clarification. I thought the term hidden hearing loss basically encompassed all of the frequencies not measured in conventional audiometry (e.g. 555 Hz, 2020 Hz, etc.)