Solsaem Clinic (Dr. Minbo Shim) Experience

[lapidus]

@JohnAdams, when you were researching and considering going to this clinic, did you you also consider stem cells and possibly going to the same clinic in Thailand as @attheedgeofscience and others? If so, what made you decide to go with the PRP treatment over stem cell treatment? Multiple members had already shared that they had success with stem cells but I had not found any mentioning success with PRP yet.

So with that mind, what deterred you from stem cells if by chance it was a consideration when making your decision?

You might've missed this thread? https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/platelet-rich-plasma-injections.31694/

 

[another sean]

You might've missed this thread? https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/platelet-rich-plasma-injections.31694/

im not sure I follow. in that thread it doesn't state stem cell is the same thing as prp. that its an alternative to stem cells that promotes healing. what am I missing?

 

[JohnAdams]

There's sound scientific evidence that this will restore the cochela. Notice the people screaming scam ad nauseam never actually debate the science behind this. Science like this. They will however attack my ability to understand it though.

"However, with progress in regenerative medicine in the 21st century, several innovative approaches for achieving regeneration of inner ear HCs and SCs have become available. These methods include stem cell transplantation, overexpression of specific genes, and treatment with growth factors. Insulin-like growth factor-1 (IGF-1) is one of the growth factors that are involved in the development of the inner ear. Treatment with IGF-1 maintains HC numbers in the postnatal mammalian cochlea after various types of HC injuries, with activation of two major pathways downstream of IGF-1 signaling."

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fphar.2014.00208/full

 

[JohnAdams]

im not sure I follow. in that thread it doesn't state stem cell is the same thing as prp. that its an alternative to stem cells that promotes healing. what am I missing?

PRP is not the same thing as stem cells. You are correct. I've never stated I only got PRP injections, quite the contrary.
I sent you a PM.

 

[Ed209]

Notice the people screaming scam ad nauseam never actually debate the science behind this. Science like this. They will however attack my ability to understand it though.

I debated the science with you on the other thread?

 

[JohnAdams]

I debated the science with you on the other thread?

please leave me alone.

 

[IAmCalifornia]

please leave me alone.

@JohnAdams Just you know I truly appreciate the mega, humongous sacrifice you have made. I think people are losing sight of the fact that you took a major risk for the benefit of the tinnitus community on your own dime and time. Some people talk the talk, you walked the walk.

You will always, no matter what the end result is, have my absolute, utmost respect.

 

[JohnAdams]

@JohnAdams Just you know I truly appreciate the mega, humongous sacrifice you have made. I think people are losing sight of the fact that you took a major risk for the benefit of the tinnitus community on your own dime and time. Some people talk the talk, you walked the walk.

You will always, no matter what the end result is, have my absolute, utmost respect.

Thanks, and as you realize I now have first hand knowledge of this man and his clinic and I am sick and tired of people calling him a scammer and insinuating that this is all a fraud and they haven't even waited for me to post my audiograms or anything.

 

[another sean]

PRP is not the same thing as stem cells. You are correct. I've never stated I only got PRP injections, quite the contrary.
I sent you a PM.

you didn't state you had stem cells in this thread either. your opening post was you just had PRP. I searched all 10 pages and you didn't mention you had stem cell injected. you referenced papers talking about stem cells only. that's why I was asking about stem cells.

so you had PRP and stem cells? they are mixed into the same syringe. do you know how many stem cells you received? I assume it's in the millions.

and just for the record, im not jumping on the scam train. PRP is a widly used therapy for sports injuries. so what this clinic is promoting is not far fetched at all. I would put more faith in this than... what for it.... lipoflavinoids.

trust me, this is exciting stuff. im already making preparations to possibly doing this in the future as well.

 

[lapidus]

im not sure I follow. in that thread it doesn't state stem cell is the same thing as prp. that its an alternative to stem cells that promotes healing. what am I missing?

You said you hadn't found any mentioning of success with PRP so I thought you must've missed Eddie A's reports in that thread.

 

[Bill Bauer]

This has nothing to do with prp injections. You're comparing something that is readily available being that it's made out of the patients own blood to a proprietary medication.

You asked me to provide an example of the price going up and then coming down. I have done so.

I'm simply trying to convey that Dr. Shim's pricing structure is seemingly nonsensical.

To determine whether the pricing structure is nonsensical, you don't look at the empirical evidence - you would want to use logic and common sense. I have done so and provided you with One possible explanation. Your explanation for the problem with this logic is that he doesn't have a lot of patients. But neither you nor I have any idea how many patients he has relative to his capacity. Another explanation that comes to mind is that he is trying to determine how strong the demand is. He keeps quoting different prices and recording the fraction of patients who agree to pay the price. Once he knows how sensitive the patients are to price, he will be able to settle on a price that will maximize his profit.

 

[JohnAdams]

you didn't state you had stem cells in this thread either. your opening post was you just had PRP. I searched all 10 pages and you didn't mention you had stem cell injected. you referenced papers talking about stem cells only. that's why I was asking about stem cells.

so you had PRP and stem cells? they are mixed into the same syringe. do you know how many stem cells you received? I assume it's in the millions.

and just for the record, im not jumping on the scam train. PRP is a widly used therapy for sports injuries. so what this clinic is promoting is not far fetched at all. I would put more faith in this than... what for it.... lipoflavinoids.

trust me, this is exciting stuff. im already making preparations to possibly doing this in the future as well.

Having bone marrow extracted from the pelvis

 

[GregCA]

Because he has stated his opinions ad nauseam and has insulted me in the past and he is just dominating my thread with his huge multi paragraph posts. I don't like him at all.

You can use the "Ignore" feature of the forum.

 

[brownbear]

Good luck @JohnAdams. Very brave of you. What degree of hearing loss do you have if you don't mind me asking? Hope you get some relief.

 

[Rafaa]

What type of surgery did you get for rhinitis and how did it go? No doubt it contributes to my tinnitus or was the cause of my tinnitus with patulous eustachian tubes.

Ballsy going to do this, props.

 

[Drone Draper]

Mr Brownbear - As an ENT, specialising in E, how safe would you say it is to get injections into the eardrum? Also. when will this treatment be available on the NHS?

 

[brownbear]

@Drone Draper. Intratympanic injection is pretty safe. I usually do a separate high 'relieving' perforation to reduce the risk of a huge increase in middle ear pressure. Not sure it makes any difference but it makes me feel more at ease! I have heard of a case of blowing out the round window with an intratympanic steroid injection which resulted in profound deafness, tinnitus and disabling vertigo (very rare though). I have no idea if PRP would have any other risks in the middle ear - perhaps a higher risk of suppurative infection?

 

[Ed209]

@JohnAdams Just you know I truly appreciate the mega, humongous sacrifice you have made. I think people are losing sight of the fact that you took a major risk for the benefit of the tinnitus community on your own dime and time. Some people talk the talk, you walked the walk.

You will always, no matter what the end result is, have my absolute, utmost respect.

I agree he was brave to go and I give him props for following through. I said at the start that I wasn't here to argue but that's what always seems to happen, even though that was far from my intention. I just don't like the way Dr Shim conducts his business.

 

[IAmCalifornia]

I agree he was brave to go and I give him props for following through. I said at the start that I wasn't here to argue but that's what always seems to happen, even though that was far from my intention. I just don't like the way Dr Shim conducts his business.

I don't like the way the ATA conducts theirs either. I think they deserve way more scrutinity.

 

[Artemis2K]

I agree he was brave to go and I give him props for following through. I said at the start that I wasn't here to argue but that's what always seems to happen, even though that was far from my intention. I just don't like the way Dr Shim conducts his business.

Your interpretations are off though. He's not charging double for one. He has been trying to reduce cost. It used to be $6,000. I get that you're skeptical, but I think you are shooting first before thinking about it.

 

[kelpiemsp]

Thanks, and as you realize I now have first hand knowledge of this man and his clinic and I am sick and tired of people calling him a scammer and insinuating that this is all a fraud and they haven't even waited for me to post my audiograms or anything.

To be fair you have made several comments about me "being a paid shill". Hopefully you learn from this experience.

 

[JohnAdams]

To be fair you have made several comments about me "being a paid shill". Hopefully you learn from this experience.

quote me specifically.

 

[kelpiemsp]

Here you call me out for trolling:

except the parts where people said they saw you online? or that you were trolling?
so you did look at the thread.

so instead of answering people's important questions you just post a defense as to why you've been logged in. mmkay….

Here again: while you try to claim it has nothing to do with me... the context is entirely meaningless otherwise:

if I were a greedy corporate executive I'd pay people to hype my product online.

That's all I have time for at the moment... but you also badgered me when you first joined this forum incessantly and tried to start an argument while you were on the curcumin kick... when I have more time I will look for it.

 

[JohnAdams]

Here you call me out for trolling:


Here again: while you try to claim it has nothing to do with me... the context is entirely meaningless otherwise:


That's all I have time for at the moment... but you also badgered me when you first joined this forum incessantly and tried to start an argument while you were on the curcumin kick... when I have more time I will look for it.

I never called you out for trolling, I pointed out that another user called you out for trolling.

It was actually this user:

You then claimed you hadn't read the thread, but somehow you knew someone had called you out for trolling, which doesn't make sense:

I just pointed out that you had to have read the thread to know someone called you a troll. I never called you a troll.

And that other post about me stating that:

What does that have to do with you??

I'm not going to sit idly by while people make up outright lies about me.

Now show that I "badgered" you in another thread.

 

[JohnAdams]

To be fair you have made several comments about me "being a paid shill". Hopefully you learn from this experience.

This is a lie.

You even put in quotes as if I said exactly that.

 

[JohnAdams]

Another user accused me of "badgering" someone in the MuteButton thread and I composed an entire list of every post I ever made in the MuteButton thread that proves I didn't.

Here you can see my accuser's quote and all of my quotes from that thread that prove he is also a liar.

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/threads/my-posting-place.23694/page-291#post-406835

Why would @kelpiemsp even come to this thread and start spreading lies about me?
Why are people making up lies about me?

 

[Artemis2K]

This is a lie.

https://www.tinnitustalk.com/search/2904050/?q=paid+shill&o=relevance&c[user][0]=33458

Doesn't seem like John said that. It's possible that he could have used a different phrasing, but I don't think he'd do that. Also, John doesn't have the ability to delete posts.

 

[kelpiemsp]

I never called you out for trolling, I pointed out that another user called you out for trolling.

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It was actually this user:
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You then claimed you hadn't read the thread, but somehow you knew someone had called you out for trolling, which doesn't make sense:
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I just pointed out that you had to have read the thread to know someone called you a troll. I never called you a troll.

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And that other post about me stating that:

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What does that have to do with you??

I'm not going to sit idly by while people make up outright lies about me.

Now show that I "badgered" you in another thread.

Nah bro it's cool. It's actually the second statement in that quote, but if you can't comprehend what mmmkayy implies in the context of the conversation, I can't help you lol.

And the second quote was in reference to a conversation regarding the University of Minnesota trial. Being as I am the only one claiming it worked for me... this is so obvious. If you didn't mean it apologize. Because that's how I took it, and it's how lots of other people took it.

The reason I came in here is because I saw you complaining about the same thing. How is this not clear to you?

 

[JohnAdams]

What type of surgery did you get for rhinitis and how did it go? No doubt it contributes to my tinnitus or was the cause of my tinnitus with patulous eustachian tubes.

Ballsy going to do this, props.

He burned away some tissue that was constricting my sinuses with these little heating tong things. I felt like the lidocaine needle was going up into my brain. I'm healing up just fine but I have rhinorrhea right now and I'm producing some huge alien goblin boogers by the likes I've never seen in my life.

 

[Contrast]

I feel like this is all a bit fishy.

So I have "severe" hearing loss that requires 12 injections at $18k.

John, from my understating had way more injections and, I'm thinking a worse Audiogram (and do correct me if I'm wrong here) and was only charged $9k.

That is quite the cowboy in terms of business practice. I've experienced similar with marketing agencies in the past. I wouldn't expected this from a doctor.

Awaiting the results of this procedure with baited breath

John had a mild audiogram, but remember the audiogram doesn't test hearing loss in complex noise enviorments.

Still he does not have hearing loss as bad as "severe" (atleast to my knowledge)